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YCQM - Sen. Vince Illuzzi - Jan. 16, 2011

January 16, 2011 -- Sen. Vince Illuzzi, R-Essex/Orleans, joins Kristin Carlson and Darren Perron to discuss several bills, including CO detectors for schools, FairPoint regulation and recognition of Native American tribes.

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>> Good Morning, I'm Darren Perron.
>> And I'm Kristin Carlson.
Thanks For Joining Us.
Our Newsmaker This Morning Is Senator Vince Illuzzi.

We Will Talk To Him About The Big Issues His Committee Will Tackle Including Changes Regulations, Deal With The Closure Of Vermont Yankee And Look At New Rules For Schools To Have Carbon Monoxide Detectors.

>> Will Have Your Neighbors In The News.
Molly Gets Rescued From A Ski Lift.
A Fanatic Fan Of The Frost Heaves.
A Bite Out Of The Cup Cake Craze And Bell Ringers Make Beautiful Music.

>>>   Is Well Respected As Being Someone Who Gets Things Done And Is Very Politically Savvy.
He Now Chairs The Economic Development And Housing Affairs Committee.
Senator Illuzzi Thanks For Being Here.
>>  Thank You And Good Morning To You.
>>  Let Me Get Your Impressions.
Legislative Session So Far.
Really Just A Few Weeks Old.
Your A Republican.
Democrats Control The House, Senate And Governor's Seat.
What Do You Think That Will Mean For Democrats To Have Charge?
You Have Seen This Before.
What Do You Think It Will Mean?

>> It Is Always Difficult When ‑‑ It Is Like Vermont Was In The 1930's When There Really Was No Democratic Party.
You Have Wings.
There Was The Akin Gibson Wing Of The Party.
Which Was Mortgage Liberal Wing Of The Democratic ‑‑ Of The Republican Party And Then The More Conservative Wing You Know Based Out Of Rutland.
And I Think You Will See The Majority Somewhat Divide Along The More Liberal, The More Conservative Camp And Then They Will Have Their Interim Debates And Ultimately Come Together And Pass Legislation.

>>  One Theory I Have Heard That Is Senator Shumlin You Worked With Him Very Closely And Know Him Very Well That He Will Propose A Budget Coming Up January 25 That Will Be Very Austere And One That A Lot Of The Liberal Members Won't Like.
Will Reach Out To Yourself To Form An Alliance.
Do You Think That Is Something That Will Develop?

>> I Serve On The Senate Appropriations Committee.
And We Have Been Starting To Take Testimony From The Administration, The Word Is No New Taxes.
And Of Course That Will Put Pressure On The Spending Side Of The Equation.
Advocates Are Lining Up Saying You Know You Can Go Ahead And Cut Spending And Not Increase Taxes But Don't Cut Us And That's What We Have Been Hearing For The Last Couple Of Years So Will Be A Very Difficult Battle.
I Would Expect That There Will Be Alliances Between The More Moderate And Conservative Democrats And The Republicans On Some Of The Hot Button Issues That Develop As The Budget Is Announced In The Next Several Days.
>> Before We Get To The Issues That You Will Tackle Which Is A Long List Just Curious This New Blue Rib Borne Tax Committee Has Come Out With The Proposals.
They Are Looking At Lowering The Income Tax Rate, Doing Away With Deductions, Lowering The Sales Tax Rate But Expanding The Sales Tax To Some Goods And Services.
Revenue Neutral It Looks Like.
What Do You Think Of Some Of These?

>> First Of All It Is Going To Be Unveiled Tomorrow.
And The Concern That Folks Have Is That It Is Really Not Going To Be Revenue Neutral.
That It Really Will In One Way Or Another Enhance Rev News, Raise Taxes.
Governor Shumlin Said During The Campaign That There Would Be No New Taxes And We Will ‑‑ Some Of Us Will Hold Him To That.
Not That I'm Suggesting That He Will Propose Otherwise.
But Anytime You Have A Massive Change In The Tax Structure, You Have To Ensure That It Really Is Revenue Neutral.
And Then There Is Going To Be Folks Who Are Going To Come In And Say Look If You Start Taxing Services Some Of Those May Go Out Of State.
You Hear About Accounting Now Being Done In India.
So Some Folks May Suggest That That Will Cause Outsourcing.
So Anytime There Is A Change In The Tax Policy, There Is A Change ‑‑ There Is A Reaction To It.
Positive Or Negative.
You Will Recall The Estate Tax.
A Lot Of Folks Came To Our Committee Last Year And Suggested To Senator Miller And I In Particular That If We Did Not Do Something About The Estate Tax, More People Would Change Their Residence To States That Either Do Not Have One Or Have A Lower One.
And Of Course We Did Respond In Some Fashion.
But Tax Policy Does Govern Where People Live, Where People Do Business, Where They Expand, Where They Leave.

>> So You Will Be Holding Judgment That You Want To Make Sure It Is Revenue Neutral?

>> Absolutely.

That Was The Commitment During The Campaign And Been The Commitment Post Campaign And Vermonters Expect No Less.
>> Let's Talk About Some Of The Priorities You Are Dealing With In Your Committee.
One Is Just ‑‑ This Past Week You Held A Press Conference With The Head Of Fair Point To Talk About Changing Some Of The Regulations That Deal With It.
I Wanted To First Jump Into This Conversation By Listening To What Mike Smith Had To Say.
Let's Listen In.

>> Great.

>> It Is Very Important To Understand That This Is Not 1965 Anymore.
It Is Not 1995.
Heck It Is Not Even 2005.
It Is A Whole New World In The Area Of Telecommunications.
And What We Need To Do In Terms Is Level The Playing Field.
Much Are Our Competition Is Unregulated.
>> Whole New World.
What Prompted You To Do This Bill And Essentially What It Would Do So People Understand Is Sort Of Make That It Fair Point Could Respond To Pricing Quicker.
To Compete Because They Are Regulated Unlike Other Companies.
>> Right.
On The Retail Side Of The Business.
Fair Point Has A Wholesale Side Of The Business Where They Carry Signal And Content For Other Carriers, Including Comcast And Charter And Some Of The Other Nonbranded Providers In The State.
So What Has Happened Is As The World Has Changed, As More And More Providers Have Come To Vermont, The Law Hats Not Changed ‑‑ Has Not Changed With It So The Law As It Applies To Fair Point Assumes That We Are Back In 1930 When At And T Really Owned The System Nationwide And Had Its Baby Bells.
Where There Was No Competition.
So When You Wanted Phone Service, You Called New England Telephone And New England Telephone Said This Is The Price.
Take It Or Leave It.
Of Course, You Took It Because There Was No Alternative.
Today, You Call ‑‑ You Call Fair Point And They Give You A Price And Then You Call Comcast You Call Tel Jet A Number Of Other Providers And They Can Be Very Nimble In Their Pricing So They Can Come Here To Wcax, Channel 3 And Say We Will Provide You Internet Telecom And Video For $30,000 A Month.
So The Owner Of The Company Calls Up Fairpoint, Which Might Be The Incumbent Current Provider And Say Look We Have A Price Of $30,000 A Month For This Service.
Can You Match That?
Fair Point Says Well, Yes We Can.
But We Will See You In Six Months With A Definitive Answer As Soon As It Ace Proved By The Public Service Board.
It Is Very Unfair So The ‑‑ So Fair Point Has To Get Approval From The Board Before It Can Effectively Compete With This New ‑‑ A Number Of New Competitors In Vermont So It Is An Unfair Situation.
So That's On The Retail Side.
On The Wholesale Side There Still Has To Be Regulation.
Because Fair Point And The Electric Utility Still Own The Poles, Still Control Who Connects.
So There Is A Little ‑‑ You Know The Devil Is Always In The Detail But Do I Think That If We Will Continue To Employ Vermonters, We Always Talk About The Shrinking Middle Class, The Disappearing Middle Class.
When I Was A Kid Growing Up In Vermont, Some Of The Best Jobs You Could Achieve As An Adult Was Working For The Phone Company.
And That Is Still True Today.
Average Wage Of $74,000 A Year And On Top That Of You Add Overtime And You Add Benefits So We Are Talking People Who Are Earning Very Good Wages.
They Are The People That Pay Health Insurance, They Are The People Who Go Out And Buy Recreational Vehicles And Second Homes And Essentially Support The Economy.
They Are The Ones That Contribute To Help Those Who Can't Themselves Provide For Themselves
>> What You Are Getting At You Really Surprised Some People Because You Were One Of The Leading Opponents Of The Whole ‑‑ Then You Come Out With This Press Conference To Help Fair Point.
>> Well Set In January 2007 When Verizon Announced The Sale Of Its Assets To Fairpoint.

We Had A Number Of Folks Come To Us And Say Look The Numbers Don't Work.
They Are Paying Too Much.
Verizon Is Losing On Average 10% Of Its Customer Base Lines Per Year.
And They Are Paying Too Much For A System That Verizon Really Abandoned Probably In The Late '90's.
They Simply Did Not Invest In The System.
The Only Upgrades Or Changes They Would Make Would Be To Keep It Running.
So Bubble Gum And Shoestring That, Kind Of Thing.
So We Knew The System Was In Tough Shape.
And We Thought Fair Point Was Paying Too Much.
18 Months Later We Were Proven Correct.
Fair Point Is In Bankruptcy.
It Through The ‑‑ Through That Process Shed A Lot Of Debt So Now A Much More Nimble Company Just Like General Motors Is.
And It ‑‑ And It Is Ready To Compete.
And It Is Employing ‑‑ It Is Employing Almost 600 Vermonters With Good Paying Jobs With Benefits.
So My Attitude Now Is, They Are Here, I Didn't Want Them Here, I Wanted Verizon Here With Its Deep Pockets To Ensure That They Were Able To Provide Good Quality Robust Service.
But Now That Fair Point Is Here, It Is Important For Us To Treat One Of Our State's Largest Employers With The Fairness It Deserves I Don't Think A Regulations That Were Put Into Effect When It Was The Only Phone Company In Vermont, I Don't Think Those Are Fair To Burden Its Ability To Do Business With Any Longer And I Thank We Have To Change.
That Doesn't Mean Fair Point Would Be Unregulated As Some Utilities Are.
It Simply Means That They Would Be Able To Go Out And Compete In The Marketplace With Its Very Real Competition, Very Real And Fierce Competition That's Out There Today.

>> Another Issue That's Come Up That You Probably Didn't Anticipate Is The Carbon Monoxide Detectors.
A Scare In Putney At A School.
It Turned Out It Wasn't Carbon Monoxide A Furnace Issue But Then A Real Problem With This In Connecticut.
Do You Think Had There Should Be A Bill That Requires Schools To Have Carbon Monoxide Detectors?

>> Well Just By Way Of Background In 2005 The First Year I Became Chairman Of The Economic Development Committee We Paled A Carbon Monoxide Law That Requires Carbon Monoxide Detectors In Places Where People Sleep.
Because When You Ar Sleep Your Senses Are Not As Alert As They Are When You Ar Wake.
If Carbon Monoxide Were To Enter This Room Right Now We Would Not Necessarily Smell The Carbon Monoxide But We Would Probably Smell The Furnace, Unspent Fuel That Caused The Carbon Monoxide To Enter The Room.
And It Is ‑‑ When You Are In A Garage With The Door Closed And The Engine Running You Are Not Smelling The Carbon Monoxide.
You Are Smelling The Unburned Fuel.
So, It Is ‑‑  It Hasn't Been As Much Of A Concern When People Are Awake As When They Are Asleep.
Having Said That, The Trend That Is Being Discussed Across America Is To Put Carbon Monoxide Detectors In Boiler Rooms, Heat Sources, Air Conditioning Sources Where There Is Fuel That Could Possibly Malfunction Because Of Equipment Malfunction.
So I Would Say That If We Are Going To Look At It, It Is Probably Going To Be As The City Of Burlington Is, Contemplating Or Perhaps Already Has Done And That Is To Require Them Where There Is A Fuel Source And Ignition Source Where Carbon Monoxide Would Be Generated.
Doesn't Make A Lot Of Sense To Put A Carbon Monoxide Detector, For Example, In A Garage Where There Are Vehicles Or Other Places Where A Momentary Activation Of A Carbon Monoxide Detector Would Cause It To Go Off And Then You Know What Happens, If There Is ‑‑
>>  Disable ‑‑ Split Just Doesn't Work So It Is Really ‑‑ It Is Really Important To Have Them Where You Sleep Where Your Senses Are Not As Active As They Are When You Ar Wake And The Other Place Where I Think It Makes Sense Based On The Research Is In Areas Where There Is Fuel And Combustion Where Carbon Monoxide Would Be Created.
>> So You May Look At That?

>> Yes.
>> One Other Issue Is What Is Next For Vermont Yankee.
>> Right.
>> First Of All There Had Been This Rumor That Maybe You Wanted To See Yankee Rely Sensed.
Is That In The Mix At All?

>> Lobbyists Are Always Looking For The Paper Tiger To Adjust Phi Their Existence So The Word Was Out There When They Saw Us Scheduling The Post Port Em That Somehow That Would Turn Into A Rely Sensitive Debate.
As I Read The Tea Leaves The Governor's Offers, Vermont Yankee In My Judgment Will Close.
The Question Is, Are We Ready For To It Close?
Now Vermont Yankee Does ‑‑ Shut Down From Time To Time For Refueling, For Other Mishaps That Cause To It Close Down.
But We Are Talking Long‑Range No More Vermont Yankee.
And The Folks Who Maintain The Electric Grid, Iso New England, The Power Companies Themselves Have Approached Me And Other Legislators And Said That There Need To Be System Upgrades In Order To Ensure Reliability.
We Don't Want The Lights To Flicker.
Now That May Not Mean Much When You Are In Your House And The Lights Flicker, But If You Are A Manufacturing Facility, Ibm For Example, And The Lights Flicker, The Entire Production Line Needs To Be Scrapped And Thrown Out.
I Have Heard Estimates Of 60,000 To $100,000 So Reliability To Manufactures Is Essential.
And We Need To Ensure Reliability.
That's Going To Require System Upgrades Coming From The South, Perhaps From New Hampshire Or Maine.
System Upgrades Perhaps Bringing Over Some Power From Plattsburgh, New York And Perhaps If We Are Going To Be Bringing More Power From The North, Makes The Grid More Robust As It Enters Vermont From Quebec.

>> So You Are Talking About Line Upgrades, To Make Sure That They Can Import The Pow They Need Once Yankee Goes Off Line In 2012 Q
>> That's Correct And I Think Vermont Yankee ‑‑ The License Expires March 1, 2012.
I Think A Question That Entergy Is Going To Raise Is Do They Spend $50 Million To Refuel The Plant Next Summer.
This Summer, Right.
This Summer.
And With The Idea That They Might Shut Down In March.
I Think The Only Play Left For Vermont Yankee Is Going To Federal Court And Arguing Preemption, That The Federal Government Preempts The States From Regulating These Nuclear Facilities.
And Second Of All, Irreparable Harm That, They Have A Major Invest.
Here Is The Plant Shuts Down And That Needs To Be Restarted.
There Might Be Some Financial Injury That Cannot Be Recouped.
That's The Last Play That Vermont Yankee Has.
Whether They Go To Court In Vermont Or New Orleans Or Some Other Venue Is Up To Them.
This I, That's What You Will See Happen.
>> An Ambitious Agenda Vince Illuzzi.
Do You Think It Is Possible To Get This Done?

>> Our Committee Is A Very Busy Committee, Working Closely With The Senate Financial Committee, Senator Campbell, Working As A Team And I'm Looking Forward To Get A Lot Done.
>> We Will Follow Up With You At The End And See How You D
>> Thank You Very Much.
>> Now Here Is Darren With Our Neighbors In The News.
>> Up Next Rescuing Channel 3's Molly Smith.
Find Out What It Takes To Get Skiers And Borders Off A Broken Ski Lift Next.

>> Recent Chair Lift Malfunctions Have Raised Concerns About Safety For Skiers And Riders.
Molly Smith Joins Ski Patrol On A Lift Evacuation Test To See What Passengers Can Do To Stay Safe.

>> Ski Area Chair Lifts Often Provide Great Views And Fast Transport To The Top Of The Hill.
But When Inclement Conditions Or Engine Malfunctions Bring Chairs To A Halt, It Can Get Dangerous.

>> There Have Been Three Chair Lift Evacuations In The News Recently Including One Right Here In Vermont.
State Officials Say They Usually Only See About 3 Annually Here In The State.

>> Ski Patrols Have Not Had To Evacuate A Lift Since 2007.
But They Are Required To Practice Monthly, Just In Case.

>> Quad, Single, Double The Same Procedure.
>> Once The Decision Is Made That The Lift Cannot Be Fixed, Mountain Operators Evaluate The Scene.

>> If Somebody ‑‑ A Patrol Will Be At The Top Of The Lift, Have Them Ski Down And That Skier Is Reporting Back At Every Tower Span How Many People There Are And How Many Chairs And If There Is Any Of Those Special Needs Such As Chair Full Of Kids, Some Really ‑‑ Some Elderly Skiers Or Handicapped Skiers.
>> We Do Have Spots On Our Chairs That Are Windier Than Others.
So Again Lift Command Would Send Teams Priority For Those Spots First To Get Them Out Of The Chair.
>> While There Was No Incident Today They Took Me Up On A Lift To Give Me First Hand Experience Of An Evacuation.
Starts Out By Climbing To The Top Of A Tower And Sending The Rope Down To The Chair.
Once The Rope System Is Fastened In Place To The Crews On Ground They Send Up The Seat For Passengers To Ride Down On.
>> Will Raise The Chair Up To You Now.
What Was The Most Important Rule That I Told You?
Don't Do Anything Until I Tell You To.
>> Once You Grab Hold You Secure Yourself With The Rope.

>> Pull The Rope Under Knead The Seat.
Slide It Over Your Head.

>> And Once The Rope Is Secured Under Your Arms You Raise The Safety Bar And Pull The Seat Between Your Legs.

>> We Will Have You Slowly Inch Your Way Off The Chair.
We Will ‑‑ We Will Lower Your Down.

>>> The Team Uses The Rope System To Lower You To The Ground.
Split That Is First Little Pushing Themselves Off The Chair.
And Knowing That The Rope Is Actually Going To Catch Them.
That's The One Concept That They Have The Hardest Time Grasping.
>> Put A Maximum Time Limit ‑‑ Limit Of Two Hours On Every Evacuation So That Temperatures Do Not Cause Injuries.
It Can Take Up To 20 Patrollers To Complete The Procedure In That Time Frame.
They Say The Most Important Thing Anyone That Finds Themselves In This Situation Can Do Is Remain Calm.

>> It Is The Patroller Gets Excited, When They Are Trying To Get The Person Out Of The Chair, Gets Frustrated, Then That's Not Going To Help Any ‑‑ Should Speak Slowly, Clearly And Just Be Cool.

>> A Life Saving Skill, Ski Patrol Hope They Rarely Have To Use.
Molly Smith, Channel 3 News Warren.

>>> If You Have Ever Been To A Vermont Frost Heaves Game You Have Probably Seen Him.
He May Be Their Biggest Fan.
Scott Has His Story.

>> If You Have Ever Been To A Frost Heaves Game, You Have Seen Him.
Front Row, Center Court.
Trademark Beard And Team Warmup Jersey, Dick Putting The Fans In Fanatic.
>> Basketball Is His Spags.
 ‑‑ Passion.
>> And The Frost Heaves Are His Team.
Last Five Years He Has Followed Them At Home And On The Road.

>> Almost Became An Addiction.

>> Driving To Games As Far Away As Oklahoma To Get His Fix.

>> 33 Hours Nonstop.

>> Over The Weekend, The 55 Year Old Attended His 100th Straight Frost Heaves Game.
Almost ‑‑
>> You Can't Drive To Puerto Rico So As Long As You Can Drive To The Game, For 100 Consecutive Games I Have ‑‑ Home Or Away Here I Am.

>> This Streak Informs General Ard East Ending At The End Of Last Season.
For Some Part Of The Sum They Are Team Didn't Have Any Ownership.
That's When Dick And Some Other Super Fans Decide That They Were Going To Step Up.

>> We Decided To Start A Nonprofit Organization Called Go Heaves Inc.
Mission Statement It To Provide Good Quality Basketball And A Family Friendly Affordable Atmosphere.

>> That Part Of His Life Was On Display For All To See During Half‑Time Of Saturday's Game.

>> I Made A Collage Of Some Of Our More Interesting Trips.

>> Ice Storm.

>> Just The Fact That People Have Recognized The Fact That I Have Made So Many Games, Is Good To Me.
>> Let's Face It, You Can't Miss Dick At A Frost Heaves Game.
A Secret Admirer.
In Berry, Scott Fleischman, Channel 3 Sports.

>>> Cupcakes Have Become One Of The Hottest Trends In The Food World.
Whole Cook Books And Reality Tv Shows Are Devoted To The Desserts.
As Jack Thurston Tells Us The Craze Has Inspired One Company's Made In Vermont Treats.

>> Inside This Essex Store Front, Two Women With One Idea Are Christening Their New Company.

>> I Am Just Really Wanted To Be My Own Boss, Start My Own Business.

>> Stephanie Is A Life‑Long Baker Who Loves Stores She Has Seen In Big Cities That Focus Just On Cupcakes.

>> Every Time I Would Visit A Cup Cake Shop Would I Think I Can Do This.

>> So Adorable.
>>  So She Contacted Michele.

>> I Think They Just Make People Happy.
>> She Had An Existing Home Business Selling Miniature Cupcakes At Farmers Markets And In Specialty Food Stores.

>> Maple Syrup.
>> They Barely Knew Each Other Until A Business Proposal.
>> We Decided To Team Up Instead Of Opening Competing Cup Cake Baker Eels.
>> Now My Little Cup Take With The Pink Walls And Tempting Treats Is Drawing Customers In Just Its First Month.

>> It Is Awesome.
It Is Grace.
I Don't Have To Do Any Cooking.
And I Can Pretend I Did It.
But It Doesn't Work.
They All Know It Comes From Here.

>> Cupcakes Are Just About The Hottest Trend In The Dessert World.
With More Attention Paid Now To Decorating ‑‑
>>  This Is The Fun Part.
>> And Designer Flavors.
>> Deck Crating Them All.
I Think You Could Put Bacon On Anything
>> Bacon And Vermont Maple Sear In Combine To Make One Of The Most Popular Ones.
More Gourmet Than Anything That Michele Did Before.
>>  Hours Are About The Same.
I Still Get Mere Way Before The Sun Comes Up.
But In The Army I Mostly Made Gravies And Soups For Like 500 People.
I Never Got To Bake.
One Person That Did All The Baking.
So, This Is ‑‑ This Isn't Anything Like Did I In The Army.
This Is Actually Fun.

>>  She Has More Than 60 Varieties.

>> People Love The Reds Velvet.

>>  Everything From Vegan To Good Old Chocolate, Red Velvet And Vanilla Caramel Cashew In Traditional Full Size But Mostly These Minis.

>> This Is Going To Be My First Bacon Cup Cake.
>> Are You Scared?

>> No, Not At All.
Not At All.
>> The Bacon Maple Tastes A Lot Like A Big Vermont Pancake Breakfast.
>>  The Salt From The Bacon And The Sugar From The Butter Cream Frosting They Really Work Well Together.
>> And The Size Means You Don't Feel Too Bad About Overdoing It.

>> It Is Very Good.
It Is Very Good.

>> My Little Cup Cake Proves Good Things Really Do Come In These Small Packages.

>> 8 More.
>> That Are Made In Vermont.

>> So It Is Like A Little Work Of Art In Each Cup Cake.
>> Jack Thurston, Channel 3 News In Essex.

>> Some Of The Most Talented Bell Ringers From Across The State Make Up The Northern Bronze.
A Community‑Based English Hand Bell Ensemble Based Out Of Essex Junction.
Robin Beams Checked Them Out.
 

>> Northern Bronze Is A Community‑Based Hand Bell Ensemble.
A Very Experienced Hand Bell Ringers.

>> Just Like A Piano Going Up.
So You Have C, C Sharp, D, D Sharp E, F, G, G Sharp, All The Way Up.

>> It Is Actually An Instrument That's Easy For Anybody To Learn.

>> In A Way It Started In England Was Through The Tower Bells.
People Got Tired Of Listening To People Practice On The Tower Bells.
They Developed Hand Bells To Practice In The Bell Towers.
>> It Is A Challenge.
You Have To Know Your Music And Work Hard To Learn Your Music.

>> Hand Bells Are A Percussion Instrument.
And They Are Made On A Lathe.
They Are An Alloy, They Are Bronze.
So They Are Made Of Tin And Copper.

>> I Just Like The Sound Of The Bells.
And I Also Find It A Challenge Because You Can't Rely On Anyone Else In Your Voice Choir For Like You Can In A Voice Choir And Follow Them.
If Yo Don't Know The Muse Im.
You Have To Know Your Music And Have To Be Able To Play It Very Precisely To Keep With Everyone Else.

>> That's Beaut.
And Actually Know Some People Who Are In Hand Bell Choirs And It Is Really Complicated.
To Get It Right.

>> It Sounds Amazing And Robin Was Saying She Had A Blast Filming That.

>> Looks Good.
>> That Will Do It For Us.
Take It Easy Everybody.
We Will See You Soon
>> Have A Great Sunday.
Bye‑Bye.