YCQM: Dec. 24, 2017

BURLINGTON, Vt. (WCAX) "You Can Quote Me" on Dec. 24, 2017

Guests: Bishop Christopher Coyne, Carmen Tarleton and Neal Goswami.

TRANSCRIPT:

>>> FROM WCAX, THIS IS "YOU CAN 1
QUOTE ME."
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
SHE SURVIVED A BRUTAL DOMESTIC
ATTACK.
WHAT CARMEN TARLETON IS TELLING
US ABOUT THE PRISON DEATH OF THE
MAN WHO DID IT.
AND HOW SHE FOUND THE STRENGTH
TO MOVE ON AFTER BEING MAIMED.
OUR VERMONT LAWMAKER IS PUTTING
THE BURDEN ON VICTIMS OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT AT THE STATEHOUSE?
WELL, WE LEARN FROM A
CONFIDENTIAL MEMO.
VERMONT PEACE CATHOLIC BISHOP IS
HERE WITH THE MESSAGE HE'LL GIVE
TO PARISHIONERS TOMORROW ON
CHRISTMAS.
AND REFLECTING UPON THE LIFE OF
CARDINAL LAW, HIS LEGACY MARRED
BY THE PRIEST SEX ABUSE SCANDAL
AND THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS
MORNING.
THE DISGRACED FORMER ARCHBISHOP
OF BOSTON HAS DIED AT THE AGE OF
86.
HIS LEGACY WAS FOREVER TAINTED,
WHEN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING AND
COURT DOCUMENTS REVEALED HE DID
NOT STOP OTHER PRIESTS FROM
MOLESTING CHILDREN.
MEG OLIVER HAS THE STORY.
>> Reporter: CARDINAL BERNARD
LAW FELL FROM GRACE IN 2002,
AMID REVELATIONS HE AND OTHER
BISHOPS HAD PROTECTED PRIESTS
WHO SEXUALLY ABUSED CHILDREN FOR
YEARS.
>> TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE
SUFFERED FROM MY SHORTCOMINGS
AND FROM MY MISTAKES, I ONCE
AGAIN APOLOGIZE.
>> Reporter: A POWERFUL FIGURE
IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, LAW
BEGAN HIS CAREER 18 YEARS
EARLIER IN MARCH OF 1984, WHEN
HE BECAME AVERAGE BISHOP OF
BOSTON AT THE AGE OF 52 AS A
CARDINAL HE TOOK A FIRM STANCE
ON CHURCH TEACHINGS AND BECAME A 2
VOICE AGAINST INJUSTICE.
WHEN COMES CAME FORWARD SAYING
THEY WERE ABUSED BY PRIESTS, LAW
ADMITTED THAT RATHER THAN
REMOVING THOSE PRIESTS, SOME
WERE SIMPLY MOVED FROM PARISH TO
PARISH.
>> I DID ASSIGN PRIESTS WHO HAD
COMMITTED SEX ABUSE.
>> Reporter: LAW RESIGNED BUT
THE REVELATION TARNISHED HIS
LEGACY FOREVER, ALEXA
McPHERSON IS A SURVIVOR OF
PRIEST ABUSE AND SAYS LAW TURNED
HIS BACK ON THE VICTIMS.
>> WITH HIS PASSING, I SAY I
HOPE THE GATES OF HELL ARE OPEN
WIDE TO WELCOME HIM.
>> Reporter: BOSTON'S CURRENT
CARDINAL SEAN O'MALLEY RELEASED
A STATEMENT AFTER LAW'S DEATH,
RECOGNIZING THE VICTIMS OF
ABUSE, SAYING I OFFER MY SINCERE
APOLOGIES FOR THE HARM THEY
SUFFERED AND PROMISING THAT THE
ARCHDIOCESE WILL SUPPORT THEM IN
THEIR HEALING.
LAW HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS FINAL
YEARS IN ROME, IN A SHORT
STATEMENT, THE VATICAN SAYS HE
PASSED AWAY EARLY WEDNESDAY
AFTER A LONG ILLNESS.
MEG OLIVER, CHANNEL 3 NEWS.
>> Darren: VERMONT'S CATHOLIC
BISHOP CHRISTOPHER COYNE WAS
ORDAINED BY CARDINAL LAW BEFORE
THE SCANDAL AND WORKED CLOSELY
WITH HIM DURING IT.
HE SERVED AS THE SPOKESMAN FOR
THE ARCHDIOCESE OF BOSTON AND
THE BISHOP JOINS ME NOW.
WE'LL GET TO SOME OTHER TOPICS
THIS MORNING, BISHOP, LET'S
START WITH THE NEWS.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW
CARDINAL LAW?
>> I SAW HIM A YEAR AGO IN
OCTOBER, WHEN I WAS OVER
VISITING ROME.
AND I OFTEN TALKED TO HIS 3
CAREGIVERS DURING THE COURSE OF
THE YEAR.
AT THAT TIME HE WAS PRETTY MUCH,
YOU KNOW, WHEELCHAIR-BOUND, BAD
HEART AND HE WAS ALSO SUFFERING
FROM SOME SHORT-TERM MEMORY
LOSS.
>> Darren: DID THE TWO OF YOU
EVER HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT
WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID?
>> WE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT IT.
AND OFTEN TIMES IT WAS IN THE
COURSE OF WORK, YOU KNOW.
WHEN I WAS ASKED TO BE THE MEDIA
SPOKESPERSON AND THEN
COMMUNICATIONS PERSON, DURING
HIS LAST 11 MONTHS IN BOSTON, I
WAS PRETTY MUCH WITH HIM EVERY
DAY.
AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE
WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY IT
HAPPENED.
HE SAID HE NEVER INTENTIONALLY
WENT OUT TO TRY AND HURT
CHILDREN OR FAMILIES.
JUST BAD DECISIONS WERE MADE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE MAN, LIKE ALL
OF US, WAS FALLIBLE AND WE ALL
HAVE THOSE LIGHTS AND SHADOWS IN
OUR LIVES.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW,
WHEN YOU'RE AS POWERFUL AS HE
WAS AND WHEN AS BAD OF A SIN AS
ABUSE OF CHILDREN TOOK PLACE, A
FALL FROM GRACE WAS QUITE FAR
AND QUITE LONG.
>> Darren: WAS HE DIRECTED TO
MOVE PRIESTS AROUND?
DID HE EVER INDICATE THAT OR WAS
THIS JUST SOMETHING THAT HE
THOUGHT --
>> YOU KNOW, HIS EVIDENCE WAS
TRYING NATIONALLY MUCH -- EVEN
BEFORE THE STORY BROKE IN THE
"BOSTON GLOBE" IN 2002 WAS
TRYING TO WORK WITH THE BISHOPS
TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES, BECAUSE
THERE WAS PREVIOUS INCIDENTS OF
THIS IN THE COUNTRY, THAT HAD 4
AFFECTED DIOCESE.
AND HE KNEW THAT WE HAD THIS IN
A -- IN OUR HISTORY IN BOSTON.
WE HAD BEEN SETTLING CASES FOR
YEARS QUIETLY.
AND WE'VE KIND OF NON-CLOSURE
AGREEMENTS ADDED.
YOU KNOW, TO ME ONE OF THE MOST
STRIKING THINGS IS A -- MANY OF
THE LAWYERS WHO WERE JUMPING OUT
IN FRONT OF ALL OF THIS, PEOPLE
SIGNING OFF ON THESE AGREEMENTS
MUCH PRIOR TO 2002, THAT HASN'T
ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
HE WAS NEVER DIRECTED BY ANYBODY
TO DO THAT, NOR HAD ANYBODY DONE
THAT.
BECAUSE THAT WOULD JUST BE A
COMPLETE, SIMPLE AND WRONG ACT
TO DO.
BAD JUDGMENTS MADE.
AND HE TOOK THEM -- HE TOOK THE
FULL FALL FOR IT.
>> Darren: YOU DESCRIBED HIM AS
A FRIEND OF YOURS.
HE CERTAINLY WAS VILIFIED
THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
WAS THAT DIFFICULT KNOWING HIM
THE WAY YOU DID AND NOT THE WAY
THAT THE REST OF THE PUBLIC DID?
>> WELL, IT WAS IT IS WHEN YOU
HAVE ANY OF YOUR FRIENDS WITH
WHOM YOU'RE LOYAL AND WHO CARE
FOR YOU AND YOU CARE FOR THEM,
FAMILY FRIENDS YOU WANT TO STAND
WITH THEM, EVEN AT THEIR WORST
TIMES.
YOU DON'T WANT TO ABANDON THEM.
I WAS FRUSTRATED AT TIMES
BECAUSE I WOULD SAY TO HIM, YOU
KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU LET ME
GO OUT AND SAY THAT YOU WEREN'T
THE ONE WHO MADE THIS DECISION
HERE.
AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE
WAS SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, WHERE
PREVIOUS BISHOPS, CARDINALS HAD
MADE THE DECISION.
HE SAID, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO
BLAME ANYBODY ELSE. 5
SO THAT WAS FRUSTRATING AT TIMES
FOR ME TO WATCH HIM TAKE HITS
THAT WEREN'T HIS, BUT THERE WERE
OTHER HITS THAT WERE HIS, TOO.
I'M NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT
HE WAS INNOCENT OF WHAT PEOPLE
HAVE SAID OVER TIME IN TERMS OF
THE CHOICES THAT WERE MADE.
BUT, YES, IT WAS FRUSTRATING FOR
ME, ESPECIALLY AS HIS
SPOKESPERSON TO SAY, LET ME GO
OUT AND SAY IT WASN'T YOU, BUT
IT WAS YOUR PREDECESSOR WHO DID
THIS.
HE SAID, NO, MY PREDECESSOR IS
DEAD AND BURIED IN THE GROUND.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT TO
HIM.
>> Darren: HOW WAS HE TREATED
WITHIN THE CHURCH AFTER THIS?
HE MOVED TO THE VATICAN.
HOW WAS HE RECEIVED FROM BY
OTHERS IN THE CHURCH?
>> AMONG THE BISHOPS IN THE
UNITED STATES, THERE WERE A
NUMBER WHO WERE VERY ANGRY AT
HIM, WHO BLAMED HIM FOR MUCH OF
THE FALLOUT OF THE ABUSE CRISIS
LIKE OTHERS.
THERE WAS SOME WHO HAD INTO NEED
FOR HIM.
THE SAME FEELINGS AMONG THE
CLERGY AND THE BISHOPS THAT RAN
AMONG THEM.
THERE WERE THOSE OVER IN THE
HOLY SEA WHO FELT BADLY FOR HIM
AND OFFERED HIM A POSITION IN
THE BASILICA OF ST. MARY MAJOR,
RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY.
THAT WAS SEEN AS A KIND OF
REWARD FOR BAD BEHAVIOR BY
PEOPLE OVER HERE.
IT WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY,
THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW.
WE WOULDN'T PERHAPS MAKE THE
DECISIONS THAT WE MADE BACK
THEN.
BUT YOU CAN'T GO BACK AND
UNCHANGE THE PAST. 6
>> Darren: HAS THE CHURCH MOVED
ON FROM THIS?
OR IS THIS AN ONGOING PROCESS?
>> IT'S ONGOING.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE END OF A
CHAPTER.
BERNIE CARDINAL LAW HAS PASSED
ON TO THE LORD.
HIS PART IN ALL OF THIS HAS
CLOSED, SOME CLOSURE FOR PEOPLE
NOW.
THEY DON'T SEE HIM OVER IN ROME,
THEY DON'T SEE HIM KIND OF AS
STILL BEING KIND OF A FIGURE IN
THE CHURCH ANY MORE.
SO WE -- I JUST ASK PEOPLE TO
PRAY FOR HIM AS I'D ASK ANYONE,
AS I'D PRAY FOR ANYONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS MOVING
ON IN THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH IN
THE WORLD STILL HAS A LONG WAY
TO GO.
THE UNITED STATES WE'VE MADE
GREAT STRIDES IN MAKING SURE
THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, IN
PROTECTING CHILDREN.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER PLACES
AROUND THE WORLD WHERE THAT
ISN'T QUITE THE REALITY.
THAT ISN'T THE REALITY IT SHOULD
BE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS CHURCH
THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR OVER
2,000 YEARS CHANGES VERY
GLACIALLY.
AND POPE FRANCIS IS DOING
EVERYTHING HE CAN TO TRY TO MAKE
THE CHANGES, BUT IT'S STILL VERY
DIFFICULT.
>> Darren: YOU MENTIONED THERE
ARE, YOU KNOW, PROTOCOLS IN
PLACE NOW TO MAKE SURE THAT
CHILDREN ARE SAFER.
HOW DO YOU GUARANTEE THAT AND
WHAT IS BEING DONE TO MAKE SURE
KIDS ARE SAFE?
>> YEAH.
I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT STRIDES
THAT WAS MADE FORWARD WAS THE
PASSAGE OF LAWS IN ALMOST EVERY 7
STATE OF THE COUNTRY THAT MADE
CLERGY MANDATORY REPORTERS,
UNTIL THEN WE WERE NOT.
CLERGY, ANYBODY WHO WORKS IN A
CATHOLIC SCHOOL, WHATEVER IT MAY
BE, WE ARE NO LONGER TO HANDLE
IT INTERNALLY, WE'RE NO LONGER
TO ABLE OUR OWN JUDGMENTS IN
THESE MATTERS WHEN ANY ABUSE
INVOLVING CHILDREN.
HERE IN THE STATE OF VERMONT, WE
DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF
INVESTIGATIONS, WHEN THERE'S AN
ALLEGATION AGAINST THE CHURCH
EMPLOYEE, AGAINST A CLERGY
PERSON, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE
TURN IT OVER TO THE D.F.C.
THAT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF
FAMILIES AND CHILDREN -- D.C.F.
AND ALSO TO MAYBE TO THE POLICE
AS NECESSARY.
AND LET THEM HANDLE IT AND WE
GET OUT OF THE WAY.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN
ANY KIND OF PROCESS BY WHICH WE
COULD BE SEEN TO HINDER THE
INVESTIGATION.
AND I THINK THE FACT THAT EVERY
PERSON WHO WORKS IN THE CHURCH
AND IN THAT STATE NOW IS
REQUIRED TO TAKE A CRIMINAL
BACKGROUND CHECK, AS WELL AS
TRAINING ON WATCHING, KNOWING
BOUNDARIES, HOW TO TREAT
CAREFUL, AND HOW TO SPOT
POSSIBLE ABUSE OF CHILDREN IS
VERY IMPORTANT.
>> Darren: BISHOP, I'D LIKE TO
MOVE ON, WE'LL SWITCH GEARS NOW,
TALKING ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY,
WHICH YOU'VE COME OUT IN SUPPORT
OF.
THE FCC REPEALED THE RULES PUT
IN PLACE TO KEEP THE INTERNET
OPEN AND FAIR AND KEEP PROVIDERS
FROM ALTERING INTERNET TRAFFIC
SPEEDS.
CRITICS OF NET NEUTRALITY SAY IT
COULD DELAY BROADBAND
INVESTMENT. 8
NOW VERMONT AND NEW YORK PLAN TO
SUE OVER THE REPEAL OF NET
NEUTRALITY RULES.
YOU, TOO, SUPPORT NET
NEUTRALITY, AS I MENTIONED,
BISHOP, YOU HAVE A NATIONAL ROLE
IN THIS.
YOU SAY NET NEUTRALITY HELPS THE
CHURCH AND THE FAITHFUL.
HOW?
>> WELL, THIS COMES OUT OF MY
WORK AS THE CHOIR OF
COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE UNITED
STATES CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC
BISHOPS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN
ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE OF NET
NEUTRALITY, EVEN BACK IN THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, WHEN THERE
WAS SOME QUESTIONS EVEN THEN OF
WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO ROLL IT
OUT OR ROLL IT BACK.
AND AT THE TIME THE THREE
CHAIRPERSONS ON THE COMMISSION,
WHO WERE DEMOCRATS, VOTED TO
KEEP NET NEUTRALITY.
AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE
ADMINISTRATION CAME IN, THEY
SAID THEY WERE GOING TO CHANGE
IT, WHICH THEY'VE DONE
TEMPERATURE OUR FEELING IS THAT
NET NEUTRALITY BENEFITS
EVERYBODY.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WAYS IN
WHICH INTERNET PROVIDERS CAN
PROVIDE FASTER INTERNET ACCESS
TO PEOPLE WHO CAN PAY.
THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE CHANGES IN
NET NEUTRALITY.
THE THING ABOUT FOR PEOPLE TO
UNDERSTAND, IS NET NEUTRALITY
MEANS THAT IT'S LIKE PHONE
LINES.
IT'S LIKE ELECTRICITY.
YOU AND I GET A SHOT AT
ELECTRICITY AND GET A SHOT AT
PHONE LINES, WHETHER WE'RE A
MILLIONAIRE OR JUST SOMEBODY WHO
IS BARELY GETTING BY.
WE GET THE SAME LEVEL OF 9
ELECTRICITY, WE GET THE SAME
LEVEL OF PHONE LINE SERVICE WHEN
WE HAVE A PHONE.
THIS SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT --
THE INTERNET PROVIDERS CAN NOW
SAY THIS PERSON GETS FAST SPEED
LANE AND THE OTHER ONE GETS A
SLOWER LANE NOW.
AND SMALL, NOT-FOR-PROFITS AND
NOT-FOR-PROFITS LIKE THE CHURCH,
DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR PAY FOR
THAT.
IT WILL HURT OUR ACCESS, AS WELL
AS THE ACCESS FOR OTHER NOT FOR
PROFITS RAILROADIN THE STATE OF
VERMONT.
THIS IS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT
US DOWN THE ROAD.
>> Darren: SO LET'S TALK ABOUT
YOUR CHRISTMAS MESSAGE.
IT HAPPENS TOMORROW.
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL
PARISHIONERS?
>> I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT
ANGELS TOMORROW.
FAITHFULLY.
WE HEAR ABOUT THE ANGELS IN THE
CHRISTMAS STORY.
WHEN YOU GO TO CATHOLIC LITURGY,
I'M GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT
OF FUN WITH THAT.
IT'S BASICALLY GOING TO LEAD
INTO A KIND OF THINKING ALONG
THE LINES OF HOW IN THE
SCRIPTURE WE ARE TOLD THAT GOD
HAS MADE US GREATER THAN ANGELS,
THAT WE HAVE A POTENTIAL TO BE
NOT JUST ANGELIC, BUT TO BE
PROVIDERS OF GOODNESS AND GRACE.
AND I THINK OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S
SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS WHERE
HE CALLS UPON US, A BROKEN
COUNTRY AT THAT TIME, TO FALL
INTO THE ANGELS OF ITS BETTER
NATURE, YOU KNOW.
TO SAY IN A WORLD THAT'S SO
DIVIDED AND SO ANGRY AND SO
HURTING TODAY, THAT TO THINK
THAT GOD MADE US THROUGH HIS SON
JESUS CHRIST AND BORN IN A 10
MANGER, MADE US LIKE HIM, MADE
US GREATER THAN THE ANGELS AND
AND THE ANGELS OF MESSENGERS OF
PEACE AND GOODNESS.
THAT'S MY MESSAGE.
AND THE FOLKS COMING TO MASS
TOMORROW, WILL SAY MAYBE I DON'T
NEED TO GO TO MASS NOW, I HEARD
IT.
IT'S A VERY POSITIVE MESSAGE.
CHRISTMAS IS A WONDERFUL TIME.
CHURCH IS FULL.
AND THIS IS A TIME WHEN PEOPLE
NEED TO HEAR GOOD NEWS.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
>> Darren: AS YOU POINT OUT,
IT'S A DIFFICULT TIME.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
DISGRACED LEADERS AND TENSIONS
WITH NORTH KOREA, RACIAL DIVIDE
IN THIS COUNTRY.
HOW DOES THE FAITHFUL KEEP THE
FAITH?
>> WELL, I THINK THE FAITHFUL
KEEPS THE FAITH BECAUSE
CHRISTIANS AND PEOPLE OF BELIEF
AND ALSO MEN AND WOMEN WHO
AREN'T BELIEVERS, PEOPLE OF
GOODWILL, WE HAVE A BASIC PLACE
OF HOPE.
YOU KNOW, WE THINK -- WE DON'T
SEE THE GLASS HALF EMPTY, WE SEE
IT FULL OF GOD'S GOODNESS AND
FULL OF THE GOODNESS OF HUMAN
PERSONS AROUND US.
AND I LOOK AT OUR STATE AND WE
LOOK AT OUR CONGRESS PEOPLE, I
MEAN, WE HAVE THREE GOOD
CONGRESSMAN.
AND WE LOOK AT OUR GOVERNOR, WE
LOOK AT THE PEOPLE, THERE'S
GOODNESS THIS STATE, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, I DISAGREE WITH SOME OF
THE STUFF THAT'S GOING ON.
BUT I FIND THAT PEOPLE HERE
REALLY ARE PEOPLE WITH GOODWILL
AND WANT TO WORK FOR THE COMMON
GOOD.
IF WE JUST LIFT UP THE GOODNESS
LOCALLY AND NOT ADD TO THE 11
MAELSTROM OF ANGER THAT'S OUT
THERE, I ALWAYS SAY YOU KNOW
WHAT, ENOUGH ANGER IN THE WORLD.
I'M NOT GOING TO ADD TO IT.
THAT'S WHAT I FOCUS ON MORE THAN
ANYTHING ELSE, THE GOODNESS
THAT'S IN THE WONDERFUL STATE
AND THE COMMON GOOD WE SHARE AS
PEOPLES WHO ARE PRIVILEGED TO BE
HERE AND LIVE HERE IN THIS
COUNTRY.
>> Darren: BISHOP, THANK YOU.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
>> MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU, TOO.
>> Darren: UP NEXT, SEXUAL
HARASSMENT RULES, FALLING SHORT
UNDER THE GOLDEN DOME.
THE MEMO OUTLINING PROBLEMS WITH
THE SECRET POLICY AND LATER,
CARMEN TARLETON REFLECTS ON THE
DAY THAT CHANGED HER LIFE
FOREVER.
STAY WITH US.
>>> EMPOWERING VICTIMS AT THE
PEOPLE'S HOUSE.
THAT'S THE GOAL NOW FOR
VERMONT'S LEGISLATIVE LEADERS
AFTER SOME OFFICIALS RAISED
QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW LAWMAKERS
POLICE THEMSELVES UNDER THE
GOLDEN DOME.
OUR POLITICAL REPORTER NEAL
GOSWAMI OBTAINED A MEMO THAT
APPOINTMENTS OUT SOME REAL
PROBLEMS.
>> THE WORLD HAS CHANGED A LOT
SINCE THE LEGISLATURE WAS LAST
IN SESSION.
>> Reporter: WITH SEXUAL
HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS COMING TO
LIGHT NATIONALLY, DEMOCRATIC
HOUSE SPEAKER ASKED LEGISLATIVE
LAWYERS TO REVIEW THE HOUSE
POLICY.
THEY DID AND IN A DECEMBER 12TH
MEMO TO THE SPEAKER, HIGHLIGHTS
A DOZEN POTENTIAL SHORTCOMINGS
IN THE POLICIES LAWMAKERS
CREATED TO GOVERN THEMSELVES.
>> IT'S TIME TO CATCH OUR SEXUAL 12
HARASSMENT POLICY IN THE
STATEHOUSE WITH THE WORLD TODAY.
>> Reporter: THE SENATE HAS A
SEPARATE BUT NEARLY IDENTICAL
POLICY TO THE HOUSE.
SENATE PRESIDENT PRO TEM VICTIM
ASH SAYS HE AGREES THE POLICIES
NEED REVIEW.
>> AS WE HEAD INTO THE SESSION,
WE HAVE MADE A FIRM COMMITMENT
WE WOULD BE REVISITING THE
POLICIES.
AND ALSO RETRAINING THE
COMMITTEE ITSELF THAT HEARS THE
CASES.
>> Reporter: THE MEMO SAYS
THAT MAY PLACE THE BURDEN ON
VICTIMS.
IT ALSO SAYS THE POLICIES MAY
WANT TO PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF
POSSIBLE SANCTIONS USED TO
RESOLVE ACCUSATIONS.
THE HOUSE AND SENATE PANELS THAT
RECEIVE AND ADJUDICATE
COMPLAINTS ARE COMPRISED SOLELY
OF LAWMAKERS.
THE MEMO SUGGESTS EXPANDING THE
PANEL SO LAWMAKERS CAN NOT THE
ONLY ONES CASTING JUDGMENT.
THE MEMO SAYS CURRENT POLICY MAY
LEAD SOME TO BELIEVE THE DECK IS
STACKED.
>> WE'LL BE LOOKING AT ALL OF
THESE THINGS COME JANUARY WITH,
YOU KNOW, WITH A RANGE OF VOICES
AT THE TABLE.
>> Reporter: THE MEMO ALSO
HIGHLIGHTS THE CONFIDENTIALITY
POLICY.
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL SAYS IT
COULD SHIELD REPEAT OFFENDERS,
ERODE FAITH IN THE POLICY AND
PANEL AND DISCOURAGE VICTIMS
FROM COMING FORWARD.
THE SPEAKER SAYS THAT'S WORTH
ADDRESSING.
>> CERTAINLY WHEN IT GETS TO THE
POINT OF SOMEBODY -- OF AN
AUTHORIZED PANEL VOTING THAT, IN
FACT, SOMEBODY'S BEHAVIOR WAS 13
WAY OUT OF LINE AND
INAPPROPRIATE, THEN, YOU KNOW,
PERHAPS IT SHOULDN'T BE
CONFIDENTIAL.
>> Reporter: ALEXANDER CLASS IS
AN EXPERT IN EMPLOYMENT LAW.
SHE HELPS COMPANIES DEVELOP
SEXUAL HARASSMENT POLICIES.
CLASS SAYS THE HOUSE AND SENATE
POLICIES WOULD NOT MEET THE
STANDARDS IN STATUTE THE PRIVATE
SECTOR MUST FOLLOW.
>> THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN THE
VERMONT LAW THAT THE HOUSE AND
SENATE POLICY ARE MISSING.
>> Reporter: CLASS SAYS NEITHER
POLICY STATES THAT SEXUAL
HARASSMENT IS UNLAWFUL, AS
REQUIRED IN LAW.
NOR DO THEY INCLUDE BASIC
CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE
PANEL MEMBERS WHO CAN RECEIVE
COMPLAINTS.
SHE SAYS THE POLICY SHOULD ALSO
REQUIRE LAWMAKERS TO BE MORE
PROACTIVE.
>> THOSE POLICIES SHOULD HAVE A
PROACTIVE OBLIGATION ON MEMBERS
OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE TO
INTERVENE AND TO REPORT SEXUAL
HARASSMENT IF THEY HEAR ABOUT IT
OR IF THEY WITNESS IT.
>> Darren: AND NEAL JOINS ME NOW
FROM MONTPELIER.
GOOD MORNING, NEAL.
SO, NEAL, YOU TALKED TO THE
HOUSE SPEAKER AND THE SENATE
PRESIDENT HERE.
HOW LIKELY ARE OTHER LAWMAKERS
GOING TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY?
>> Reporter: YEAH.
IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THEY DO
TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY.
BOTH THE HOUSE CHAMBER AND THE
SENATE CHAMBER WILL BE RECEIVING
TRAINING AGAIN AT THE BEGINNING
OF JANUARY ON SEXUAL HARASSMENT
PREVENTION.
AND BOTH THE HOUSE PANEL AND THE
SENATE PANEL, THE TWO GROUPS 14
THAT ADJUDICATE THESE THINGS IN
EACH CHAMBER, WILL BE MEETING TO
REVIEW THE POLICIES AND CONSIDER
CHANGES, ESPECIALLY ONES THAT
WERE RECOMMENDED BY THEIR
LAWYERS.
>> Darren: AND, NEAL, IS IT
LIKELY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
MOVE REALLY QUICKLY ON THIS?
>> Reporter: ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD EXPECT THEY'RE BACK ON
THE 3rd OF JANUARY, SOMETIME
THAT WEEK THEY'LL RECEIVE THIS
TRAINING, RE-TRAINING ON SEXUAL
HARASSMENT PREVENTION.
AND WITHIN THE FIRST WEEK OR
TWO, THOSE PANELS WILL BE
GETTING TOGETHER TO BEGIN
REVIEWING THE POLICIES.
>> Darren: NOW WHY ARE THESE
LAWYERS, THE LEGISLATIVE LAWYERS
WEIGHING IN ON SEXUAL HARASSMENT
POLICIES?
>> Reporter: WELL, BACK BEFORE
THANKSGIVING, HOUSE SPEAKER
JOHNSON ASKED THEM TO TAKE A
LOOK AT IT.
YOU'LL RECALL THAT WAS ABOUT A
MONTH AFTER SUCH BIG-TIME
ALLEGATIONS WERE APPEARING,
HARVEY WEINSTEIN WAS THE BIG ONE
AT THE TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE
WERE LOOKING AT THE POLICIES IN
THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND
WONDERING IF THEY WERE
SUFFICIENT.
THE SPEAKER THOUGHT THOSE WERE
GOOD QUESTIONS, THAT SHOULD BE
ANSWERED.
SHE ASKED FOR THE REVIEW, THEY
DELIVERED.
AND THEY POINTED OUT ABOUT A
DOZEN DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE THE
POLICY COULD BE IMPROVED.
>> Darren: ALL RIGHT.
AND CHANNEL 3'S POLITICAL
REPORTER NEAL GOSWAMI, THANK YOU
SO MUCH.
IT'S TIME NOW TO CHECK IN WITH 15
SCOTT FLEISHMAN TO SEE WHAT'S
COMING UP ON THE WEEKEND.
>> Scott: THANKS VERY MUCH,
DARREN.
COMING UP ON THE WEEKEND IN A
FEW MINUTES, IT'S CHRISTMAS EVE
AND SO, OF COURSE, OUR FRIENDS
AT NORAD ARE FOLLOWING SANTA'S
SLEIGH AS HE MAKES HIS WAY
TOWARDS OUR AREA.
GENERAL LORI J. ROBINSON WILL
LET US KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHAT
TIME TO EXPECT SANTA'S SLEIGH
AND WHEN TO PUT THE KIDS TO BED.
PLUS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE MAY HAVE
A WHITE CHRISTMAS.
DAVE BUSH WILL BE HERE WITH YOUR
COMPLETE FORECAST.
THAT AND THE REF OF -- REST OF
TODAY'S NEWS AND SPORTS IN A
COUPLE MINUTES ON THE WEEKEND.
DARREN?
>> Darren: THANK YOU, SCOTT.
UP NEXT, CARMEN TARLETON ON THE
DEATH OF THE MAN WHO DOUSED HER
WITH LYE AND LEFT HER DISFIGURED
AND HOW SHE FOR GAVE HIM YEARS
AGO.

>> Darren: A VERMONT MOM DOUSED
WITH LYRE, HER FACE BURNED
BEYOND RECOGNITION.
CARMEN TARLETON REFUSED TO LET
THE CRIME DEFINE HER.
SHE SPOKE WITH CHANNEL 3 AFTER
NEWS HER ESTRANGED HUSBAND DIED
IN PRISON.
HERE'S KRISTIN KELLY.
>> IT WAS A SHOCK, IT WAS MORE
OF A BIG SIGN OF ME MOVING ON
AND IT ENDED THIS TEN-YEAR
CHAPTER.
>> Reporter: HERBERT RODGERS
WENT AFTER HIS ESTRANGED WIFE IN
A GRUESOME ATTACK.
FORMER DARTMOUTH NURSE HAS
REBUILT HER LIFE ON A FOUNDATION
OF KINDNESS.
>> I FOR GAVE HIM YEARS AGO, SO
HIM DYING NOW DOESN'T MAKE ME 16
FEEL BETTER.
IT DOESN'T MAKE, YOU KNOW, IT
DOESN'T AFFECT ME.
>> Reporter: SHE FOR GAVE HER
ATTACKER, AND SHE LOOKED AHEAD.
WORKING TO FIND THE POSITIVE IN
HER LIFE.
>> BECAUSE I FEEL WHO I AM.
>> Reporter: SHE'S ALIVE, STILL
HAS HER KIDS, AND CHOSE TO
UNDERGO A SOPHISTICATED FACE
TRANSPLANT SURGERY IN BOSTON.
>> THROUGH YOU I GET TO SEE MY
MOTHER LIVE ON.
>> Reporter: SHE ALSO PUBLISHED
HER STORY OF TURNING TRAGEDY
INTO PERSONAL TRIUMPH, CARMEN
TARLETON, THE SURVIVOR, IS ALSO
AN AUTHOR.
SHE TOLD ADAM SHE WAS NOT GOING
TO LET A CRUEL AND BRUTAL ACT
CONTROL THE REST OF HER LIFE.
>> AND I CONVINCED MYSELF THAT I
DIDN'T NEED TO DO THOSE THINGS,
I COULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT,
THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO FALL INTO
THAT NEGATIVE SPACE THAT I KNOW
A LOT OF US FALL INTO, THAT EVEN
IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF IT, STILL
CHOICE.
AND I CHOOSE -- I DON'T CHOOSE
THAT.
>> Darren: AND NOW MORE WITH
CARMEN TARLETON AS OUR ADAM
SULLIVAN SITS DOWN WITH HER.
>> THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR
ME.
WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT YOUR
ATTACKER'S DEATH, WHAT WAS YOUR
REACTION?
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, ADAM, I FELT
THAT I KNEW THAT THAT WAS
COMING.
IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, I HAD
FOUND THE PAMPHLET FROM THE
STATE PRISON SYSTEM ABOUT BEING
PUT ON THE NOTIFICATION LIST FOR
VICTIMS.
AND I ADDED MY NAME TO THAT
LIST. 17
I FELT THAT HE WOULDN'T BE, YOU
KNOW, HERE MUCH LONGER.
SO IT WASN'T -- IT WASN'T A
SHOCK.
AND FOR ME IT WAS MORE OF A BIG
SIGN OF ME MOVING ON.
AND IT ENDED THIS TEN-YEAR
CHAPTER.
>> Reporter: SOME PEOPLE WOULD
SAY -- HOW DO YOU SAY ENDED IT
WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN
THROUGH AND EVERYTHING YOU'LL
FACE IN THE FUTURE.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU
KNOW, WHERE DOES THAT STRENGTH
COME FROM?
>> WELL, I CAN'T -- WELL, I
GUESS MY STRENGTH COMES FROM NOT
GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE
NEGATIVITY OF WHAT HAPPENED IN
THESE LAST TEN YEARS, I HAVE
DONE WELL AND I DON'T FOCUS ON
THE EVENT, IN THAT WAY.
AND WHEN I DO, IT DOESN'T STIR
ME, IT DOESN'T GET ME GOING.
IT DOESN'T UPSET ME.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT TRUTH OR
FORGIVENESS IS REALLY ABOUT.
I FOR GAVE HIM YEARS AGO, SO HIM
DYING NOW, DOESN'T MAKE ME FEEL
BETTER.
IT DOESN'T MAKE -- YOU KNOW, IT
DOESN'T AFFECT ME.
I KNOW HE'S -- PEOPLE DON'T
UNDERSTAND, WE ALL DESERVE THAT.
ONE HORRIBLE ACT DOES NOT CREATE
A MONSTER, AS ONE HEROIC ACT
DOES NOT CREATE A SAINT.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THAT BLACK
AND WHITE.
>> Reporter: SOME PEOPLE WOULD
THINK HE IS A MONSTER.
>> HE WAS THAT NIGHT.
I WOULDN'T DENY THAT.
I DON'T CONDONE ANY OF THAT
BEHAVIOR.
OF COURSE, I DON'T.
BUT I THINK BECAUSE I WAS NOT IN
AN ABUSIVE, ONGOING SITUATION, I
WAS NOT A BATTERED WIFE, I DON'T 18
HAVE THE SAME PERSPECTIVE AS
MANY THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAUGHT
IN THAT CYCLE YEAR AFTER YEAR
AND BUILD THAT HATE AND THAT
ANGER.
I DIDN'T HAVE THAT.
HE WASN'T LIKE THAT TO ME.
AND NOBODY HAD THEN.
EVEN THOUGH THAT ONE NIGHT WAS,
YOU KNOW, WAS JUST A HORRIBLE
EVENT, HE'S OBVIOUSLY PAID HIS
PRICE.
HE PAID THE PRICE.
>> Reporter: A LOT OF THE PAST
TEN YEARS IS ABOUT OVERCOMING.
THAT'S THE TITLE OF YOUR FIRST
BOOK.
>> YEAH, THAT IS THE TITLE OF MY
FIRST BOOK "OVERCOME, BURNED,
BLINDED AND BLESSED."
I'M WORKING ON MY SECOND BOOK
NOW, WHICH WILL BE CALLED "MANY
FACES, SAME SOUL, CREATING A
LIFE AFTER TRAGEDY."
>> Reporter: YOU'VE BEEN SHARING
YOUR STORY, YOU SHARED IT ON
STAGE AND ALSO THROUGH YOUR
WRITING.
AND I'M WONDERING WHY?
WHY HAVE YOU CHOSEN TO SHARE
YOUR STORY?
>> WELL, I THINK FROM THE
BEGINNING, ADAM, WHEN I FIRST
MOTE YOU ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO,
IT WAS BECAUSE I -- EVEN THOUGH
IT WASN'T FAIR TO BE TREATED
SUCH THAT WAY, THERE WAS SO MANY
BLESSINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT
EVENT.
AND ONE OF THOSE LESSONS WAS IT
SHOWED ME THAT I COULD DO VERY
WELL AND BE THAT EXAMPLE FOR
PEOPLE, THAT I'D BEEN SAYING FOR
YEARS, THAT ONE BIG NEGATIVE ACT
OR BEING TREATED POORLY BY
SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO RUIN
THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
AND SO IT'S -- I'M SERVING MY
PURPOSE IN SHARING MY STORIES IS
A BIG PART OF THAT. 19
HOW COULD I NOT.
YOU KNOW, HOW COULD I NOT.
HOW COULD I DO THIS WELL AND NOT
HELP OTHER PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: WHAT'S YOUR SECOND
BOOK GOING TO BE ABOUT?
>> IT'S MORE -- IT STARTS WITH
AT FIRST BOOKENDS, AROUND THE
TIME OF MY FACE TRANSPLANT.
IT'S ALSO MORE OF MY PHILOSOPHY,
IT'S MORE OF HOW I'VE CHANGED
AND SHIFTED SO GREATLY IN THE
LAST TEN YEARS.
SO IT'S MORE ABOUT THAT THAN
JUST THE STORY OF WHAT I WENT
THROUGH.
>> Reporter: AND WHAT IS YOUR
PHILOSOPHY?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE
ENOUGH TIME.
[LAUGHTER]
TO BE HONEST.
BUT IT'S MORE IN A NUTSHELL,
IT'S MORE NOT JUST LOOKING AT
THE POSITIVE AND THE NEGATIVE,
IT'S LEADING WITH THE POSITIVE
PARTS OF LIFE AND BEING A
TEACHER AND GRATEFUL, BUT ALSO
DEALING WITH AND COPING WITH THE
NEGATIVE THINGS.
NOT LOOKING PAST THEM AND NOT
DEALING WITH THEM, THAT'S NOT
WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M SAYING THERE'S WAYS TO COPE.
THERE'S WAYS, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE
FORWARD AND THERE'S WAYS TO
TRULY FORGIVE PEOPLE THAT, YOU
KNOW, COMMIT THESE KIND OF ACTS.
>> Reporter: HOW DO YOU FEEL
PHYSICALLY?
>> YOU KNOW, I FEEL BETTER NOW
THAN I'VE EVER FELT.
I NO LONGER HAVE WHAT YOU
CONSIDER CHRONIC PAIN.
AND THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH FOR
THE LAST, OH, PROBABLY YEAR AND
A HALF, TWO YEARS.
I FINALLY WAS ABLE TO NOT, YOU
KNOW, TO NOT BE IN A POSITION
WHERE EVERY DAY I WAS -- I HAD 20
PAIN.
SO I'M DOING GREAT.
I JUST GET BETTER AND BETTER.
>> Reporter: I HEAR YOUR MUSIC
IS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER,
TOO, CARMAN?
>> WELL, I'M WORKING ON IT.
I'M WORKING ON MY MUSIC.
>> Reporter: TELL ME ABOUT THE
MUSIC.
WHY DO YOU PLAY?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW, I --
EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I STARTED
LESSONS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE MY
FACE TRANSPLANT.
AND THAT'S BEEN ALMOST FIVE
YEARS NOW.
AND I -- A COUPLE YEARS AGO
STARTED WRITING MY OWN MUSIC.
SO I DO HAVE -- I DID RECORD
SOME OF MY MUSIC AND I CALL IT A
HEALED SOUL.
AND IT JUST REALLY HELPED OPEN
ME UP.
IT REALLY HELPED HEAL MY SOUL TO
PLAY MUSIC.
AND SO IT'S BEEN -- IT'S BEEN A
BLESSING.
>> Reporter: WILL YOU PLAY
SOMETHING FOR US?
>> I SURE WILL.
>> Reporter: THANKS FOR YOUR
TIME, CARMEN.
>> THANKS, ADAM.

>> Darren: SO AMAZING.
AN INSPIRATION TO ALL OF US.
THAT WILL DO IT FOR "YOU CAN
QUOTE ME."
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