YCQM: December 10, 2017

BURLINGTON, Vt. (WCAX) >> Announcer: FROM WCAX, THIS IS
"YOU CAN QUOTE ME."
>> Darren: GOOD MORNING,
EVERYONE.
I'M DARREN PERRON.
RIGHT NOW ON "YOU CAN QUOTE ME,"
THE PRESIDENT SLASHES TWO
NATIONAL MONUMENTS IMPORTANT TO
NATIVE AMERICANS.
WE'LL TAKE YOU TO THE SITES AND
WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH AN ACTIVIST
USING COMEDY TO RAISE AWARENESS
ABOUT INDIGENOUS RIGHTS.
>>> PLUS, SHE'S IN.
CARINA DRISCOLL MAKES IT
OFFICIAL.
SHE'S RUNNING FOR MAYOR IN
BURLINGTON, AND THAT'S WHERE WE
BEGIN THIS MORNING.
I SIT DOWN WITH THE INDEPENDENT
CANDIDATE TO TALK ABOUT HER RUN,
WHY SHE THREW HER HAT IN THE
RING, AND HER FAMOUS STEPFATHER.
WHY ARE YOU RUNNING FOR MAYOR?
>> Driscoll: SO I THINK FOR A
LONG TIME, I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT
POSSIBLY RUNNING FOR MAYOR.
IT'S ONLY RECENTLY THAT I FELT
MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.
I'M RUNNING BECAUSE IT'S TIME TO
BRING PEOPLE BACK TOGETHER IN
BURLINGTON.
WE TYPICALLY HAVE A VERY HEALTHY
PROCESS OF DEBATE WITH LOTS OF
MUTUAL RESPECT AND AGREEMENT.
AT THE END AFTER COMPROMISE, WE
CAN ALL MOVE ON AND I THINK FOR
A WHILE NOW IT'S FELT LIKE WE'RE
NOT HAVING THAT SAME HEALTHY
PROCESS OF DEBATE.
SO I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR BECAUSE
I THINK IT'S TIME TO UNITE AND
I'M RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT
BECAUSE I THINK I CAN BRING
PEOPLE TOGETHER AND I'M HOPING
TO DO THAT.
>> Darren: WHAT DO YOU BRING TO
THE TABLE THAT THE CURRENT MAYOR
DOES NOT?
>> Driscoll: WELL, I WORK FOR
MORROW AND I RESPECT MORROW AND
HE'S TRYING TO BRING THE CITY'S
FINANCES BACK ON TRACK.
I COME AT THINGS FROM A
DIFFERENT ANGLE.
I GREW UP IN THE CITY AND HAVE
LIVED HERE, BEEN A LIFELONG
RESIDENT OF BURLINGTON WHERE THE
BLANK THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY --
PUBLIC AND THE COMMUNITY IS
REALLY PART OF THE PROCESS OF
DETERMINING WHAT WE WANT OUR
CITY TO LOOK LIKE.
IT HAS FELT AS OF LATE AND FOR
QUITE SOME TIME, WE'RE NO LONGER
OPENING THE DOORS OF CITY HALL
AND LETTING PEOPLE IN.
IT'S TIME TO BRING PEOPLE BACK
TO THE TABLE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF COMMUNITY
ASSETS ON THE LINE.
I THINK WE'RE SEEING IT REALLY,
WE SAW IT PLAY OUT WITH
BURLINGTON TELECOM, BUT IT'S
MORE THAN BURLINGTON TELECOM.
WE HAVE A MORAN PLANT THAT WE'RE
STILL NOT CERTAIN OF ITS FUTURE.
WE'RE ON TRACK WITH AN
INITIATIVE CALLED NEW MORAN, BUT
THERE WAS A UNILATERAL DECISION
FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO END
THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT IS BACK
IN THE BALANCE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING
TO DO.
I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE WHEN
WE BRING THE PEOPLE IN AND ASK
WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH MORAN
AND HOW DO WE MOVE THIS PROCESS
FORWARD.
THAT UNILATERAL DECISION FELT
NOT QUITE RIGHT AND NOT QUITE
BURLINGTON TO ME, AND AS A
MAYOR, I THINK I WOULD HANDLE
THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST MORAN PLANT.
I THINK WE ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT
WE'RE DOING WITH MEMORIAL
AUDITORIUM.
I THINK IT'S A REAL SHAME THAT
WE'VE LOCKED UP THE BUILDING AT
THIS POINT AND WE'RE LETTING IT
VISIBLY FALL INTO DISREPAIR AS A
GATEWAY TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT CIVIC SPACE HAS BEEN SO
IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND
IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SAY WE'LL PUT
OUT AN RFP AND SEE WHO COMES
ALONG AND WANTS TO SAVE IT.
THAT BUILDING IS OUR
RESPONSIBILITY AND IF WE DECIDE
WE WANT TO SAVE IT, WE NEED TO
DO THAT AND IN ORDER TO COME TO
THE RIGHT SOLUTION, WE NEED TO
BE BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER TO
THE TABLE TO SAY WHAT DO WE WANT
AS A COMMUNITY.
WITH NPA, WE GATHERED PEOPLE
TOGETHER ON THEIR OWN BECAUSE
THE CITY WASN'T READY TO HAVE
THAT CONVERSATION.
MEANWHILE, THE BUILDING IS
FALLING INTO DISREPAIR AND THE
PLAN LEADS ME TO WONDER IF WE'RE
WILLING TO HAVE IT PUT OUT AND
WITH THE BURLINGTON TELECOM
PROCESS, I THINK THAT
HIGHLIGHTED THIS HIGHEST BIDDER
APPROACH TO SOLVING CITY
PROBLEMS.
LET'S PUT IT OUT THERE AND SEE
WHO COMES ALONG AND SEE WHO CAN
COME IN WITH THE HIGHEST BID.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE
COOPERATIVE APPROACH.
AND LET'S TALK ABOUT BURLINGTON
TELECOM FOR A MOMENT.
WE HAD ALL THE PARTS AND PIECES
TO COME OUT WITH A MUCH
DIFFERENT SOLUTION.
WE HAD LOCAL INVESTMENT.
WE HAD A WELL-PERFORMING ASSET,
BURLINGTON TELECOM WAS DOING
VERY WELL.
WE HAD LOCAL INTEREST IN
FIGURING OUT HOW TO HAVE A
COOPERATIVE, AND YES, WE HAD TO
FILL IT AS A CITY, BUT THERE'S
NO REASON THE CITY COULDN'T HAVE
SHEPHERDED A PROCESS THAT
BROUGHT THE PEOPLE IN INSTEAD OF
HAVING THEM BANG DOWN THE DOORS
OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND REALLY
WEIGH IN WITHOUT INVITATION.
THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A PROCESS
THAT BROUGHT THE PUBLIC IN AND
BROUGHT TO THE TABLE THE
RESOURCES, THE PEOPLE WHO COULD
MAKE A CHANGE, THE LOCAL
INVESTMENT, AND SAY HOW DO WE
BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT FOR
BURLINGTON THAT PEOPLE WANT.
I THINK IF WE HAD GONE THROUGH A
PROCESS THAT LOOKED MORE LIKE
THAT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ENDED UP
WITH A 2:00 A.M. LACK OF -- WITH
A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY WE HAD
WITH A VOTE AT 2:00 A.M. WHERE
REALLY COUNCILORS FELT UP
AGAINST THE WALL.
IT WAS A VERY STRESSFUL
SITUATION.
I THINK THE KEY THING THAT WAS
MISSING IS THE LEADERSHIP THAT
SAW THE NEED TO MOVE THINGS
FORWARD IN THIS WAY.
>> Darren: LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME
OF WHAT THE MAYOR CALLS HIS
ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
HE'S SAYING IMPROVING THE CITY'S
CREDIT RATING, BURLINGTON
TELECOM AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT, GROWING THE HOUSING
MARKET, INVESTING IN
INFRASTRUCTURE, SEVERAL
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND A LOT
OF THIS HE'S HAD BROAD SUPPORT
FROM COUNCILORS, FROM PEOPLE
ACROSS THE AISLES, PROGRESSIVES,
DEMOCRATS, AND REPUBLICANS.
HOW DO YOU COMPETE WITH THAT?
>> Driscoll: WELL, I THINK LET'S
START WITH, LET'S GIVE CREDIT
WHERE CREDIT IS DUE.
I WORKED FOR MAYOR WEINBERGER AS
ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR FOR ONE
YEAR AS HE CAME INTO OFFICE AND
HELPED WITH HIS KEY APPOINTMENTS
AND AT THE END OF HIS CAMPAIGN,
I HELPED WORK FOR HIS
RE-ELECTION BECAUSE I KNEW WE
NEEDED TO GET THE CITY BACK ON
TRACK FINANCIALLY.
MORROW WAS EARNEST AND I
BELIEVED HE COULD DO THE JOB.
HE CAME IN, FISCAL STABILITY
BOND WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO
GETTING THE CITY BACK ON TRACK
AND THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER STEPS
THAT HE'S TAKEN WHICH ARE KEY.
HOW DO WE LOOK FORWARD?
I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES
WHAT'S REALLY ON THE TABLE AT
THIS POINT.
LET'S GO BACK TO DEVELOPMENT FOR
A MOMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING NATIONAL
INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT THAT
BURLINGTON IS BENEFITING FROM,
THAT IS TRUE, AND WE DO HAVE
DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE A STRONG
INTEREST AND ARE BEING WELCOMED
INTO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO BE
ABLE TO DEVELOP IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
I THINK HAVING A DEVELOPER IN
THAT ROLE IS A LITTLE BIT
DANGEROUS.
I THINK WE HAVE HAD INCREASED
DEVELOPMENT AND WE SHOULD
ABSOLUTELY BE WELCOMING
INVESTMENT INTO OUR COMMUNITY,
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE HAVE
A STAKE AT THE TABLE.
WE NEED TO KNOW THAT THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE REPRESENTS EVERYONE WHO
IS PART OF THAT PROCESS AND
REPRESENTS BURLINGTON.
THE DEVELOPERS ARE HERE.
THE INTEREST RATES ARE GOOD AND
THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO GO
UP.
THE QUESTION IS, WILL WE GET
THEM WHERE WE WANT THEM?
CAN WE MAKE SURE IT RESULTS IN
JOBS FOR LOCAL PEOPLE?
WILL IT ACTUALLY IMPROVE OUR
LIFE IN BURLINGTON?
WILL WE END UP WITH A CITY OF
OUR DESIGN OR OF BUSINESS'S
DESIGN?
I HAVE FOUNDED AND RUN A
BUSINESS FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS
OF MY LIFE.
I HAVE ABOUT 12 EMPLOYEES.
I HAVE 40 STUDENTS LEARNING
FURNITURE MAKING AND WOODWORKING
UP IN FAIRFAX, VERMONT, IN A
15,000-SQUARE-FOOT BARN, 40
FULL-TIME STUDENTS.
THAT BUSINESS IS SUCCESSFUL AND
I HAVE LEARNED TO EMPOWER THE
PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR ME TO GET
THE JOB DONE.
I HAVE A GREAT TEAM AND, YOU
KNOW, I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT
WITHOUT EVERYONE INVOLVED.
THAT HAS BEEN THE TYPE OF EFFECT
I'D LIKE TO BRING INTO THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE, WHICH IS EMPOWER
THE TEAM, BRING IN THE PEOPLE,
LET'S ALL DECIDE THIS TOGETHER
AND LET'S GET WHERE WE NEED TO
GO BECAUSE WE ALL CHARTED OUR
COURSE TOGETHER AND WE'RE ALL ON
THE PATH TOGETHER.
IT TAKES ALL OF US, AND I REALLY
WANT TO BRING PEOPLE BACK TO THE
TABLE AGAIN.
IT SHOULD NOT BE A UNILATERAL
DECISION COMING FROM THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE.
>> Darren: YOU SERVED ON THE
SCHOOL BOARD, YOU WERE A STATE
LAWMAKER AS WELL, SERVED ON THE
CITY COUNCIL.
CAN YOU POINT TO SOMETHING
DURING ANY OF THOSE TIMES OF
PUBLIC SERVICE IN WHICH YOU
SAID, HEY, I GOT THIS DONE AND
THIS IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
>> Driscoll: WE NEEDED TO OPEN A
MARKET DOWNTOWN BECAUSE WE LOST
OUR DOWNTOWN GROCERY STORE AND
WE WERE LOOKING AT BEING A FOOD
DESERT IN BURLINGTON.
I HAD SERVED IN ALL THOSE ROLES
AT THAT POINT AND I BECAME VERY
INVOLVED WITH CITY MARKET TO
BRING THAT COOPERATIVE TO
DOWNTOWN.
THERE WERE A LOT OF CHALLENGES
AND THERE'S A REAL CONTRAST OF
THE CITY MARKET STORY AND THE
BURLINGTON TELECOM STORY.
I WORKED FOR THE CO-OP TEAM TO
HELP THEM GET OUT THEIR MESSAGE
AND CRAFT THEIR MESSAGE AND
RAISE THEIR MONEY.
I WAS VERY CLOSELY INVOLVED TO
LAUNCH CITY MARKET, BUT PRIOR TO
THAT, I THINK WHAT WE LEARNED
FROM THAT PROCESS IS THAT THE
CITY HAD ACCESS TO A PIECE OF
LAND WHICH USED TO BE THE
BURLINGTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
A PARKING LOT THAT IS NOW CITY
MARKET.
THEY HAD A PROBLEM, WHICH IS WE
WERE GOING TO BE A FOOD DESERT,
AND WHAT THE CITY DID WAS OPEN
UP THE PROCESS FOR CONVERSATION
AND THE PEOPLE CAME IN AND WE
TALKED ABOUT -- THE PEOPLE WERE
INVITED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT IS
WE WANT TO DO TO SOLVE THIS
PROBLEM, AND THE CITY PUT AN
ASSET FORWARD AND SHEPHERDED A
PROCESS WHERE THESE THREE
BIDDERS CAME IN.
I BELIEVE IT WAS SHAW'S AND
MACK'S MARKET AND ONION RIVER
CO-OP WHICH BECAME CITY MARKET,
WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE WINNER IN
THAT, AND PEOPLE FELT GOOD ABOUT
THAT PROCESS.
THERE MAY HAVE BEEN PEOPLE WHO
DIDN'T SUPPORT THE CO-OP AT THE
BEGINNING, THEY WERE CONCERNED
ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT A
LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS WERE
ADDRESSED AND WE ALL FELT AS
THOUGH WE GOT THERE TOGETHER.
I WAS PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT
PROCESS AND PROUD TO BE PART OF
THE TEAM THAT HELPED LAUNCH CITY
MARKET AND LAUNCH OUR PUBLIC
IDENTITY AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT
THAT.
THAT'S THE SORT OF ETHIC THAT I
HOPE TO BRING INTO THE FUTURE
WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
MEMORIAL, TALKING ABOUT MORAN OR
FRANKLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
STATE OF OUR SCHOOLS OR TALKING
ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH
SOCIAL SERVICES AND WHETHER IT'S
HOUSING OR TRANSPORTATION
INFRASTRUCTURE OR MAKING SURE
THAT AS WE HAVE AN AGING SENIOR
POPULATION THAT, WE'RE READY FOR
THAT AND PEOPLE HAVE SOMEWHERE
TO LIVE.
THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT
FEEL VERY MUCH OFF THE PLATE
RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING
WITH OUR COMMUNITY ASSETS, THESE
BIGGER ISSUES, WE'RE NOT PAYING
ATTENTION TO OTHER THINGS, AND I
CAN'T SIT ON THE SIDELINES AND
KEEP WAITING FOR THINGS TO
CHANGE.
IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE
GOING TO.
I KNOW, I THINK LAST TIME I WAS
ON YOUR SHOW, WE TALKED ABOUT ME
POSSIBLY RUNNING FOR CITY
COUNCIL, BUT IT BECAME CLEAR TO
ME THROUGH THE BURLINGTON
TELECOM STRUGGLE THAT WE ALL
WATCHED PLAY OUT, IF I BECOME A
COUNCILOR, I DON'T KNOW THAT I
CAN CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC AS ONE
COUNCILOR.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE
LOOKING FORWARD, UNITING PEOPLE.
I HAVE HOPE THAT WE CAN TURN A
CORNER.
I AM CONCERNED THAT WE WON'T
TURN THAT CORNER UNLESS WE
CHANGE WHO'S IN THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE AND I'M READY TO STEP UP
TO THAT.
>> Darren: MORE OF MY
CONVERSATION WITH CARINA
DRISCOLL NEXT, INCLUDING WHETHER
SHE'LL ASK HER STEPFATHER,
SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS, FOR
HELP, AND LATER, PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S MOVE TO CUT NATIONAL
MONUMENTS.
WHY NATIVE AMERICANS FEEL LIKE
THIS IS A PERSONAL ATTACK.
>> Darren: HERE NOW IS MORE OF
MY CONVERSATION WITH CARINA
DRISCOLL.
LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME SPECIFICS.
YOU MENTIONED THE MORAN PLANT.
WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN
THERE?
>> Driscoll: SO FOR ONE, I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO OPEN UP THE
TRANSPARENCY.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT --
WHY DID NEW MORAN WALK AWAY AND
WHO ELSE WERE WE TALKING WITH
AND WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
THEY DIDN'T WALK AWAY, THEY WERE
TOLD THAT THE CONVERSATION WAS
DONE BY THE CITY.
I THINK TRANSPARENCY IS
INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THERE.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PUBLIC
FORUM AND THERE SHOULD BE A
PRESENTATION ON WHAT HAPPENED
WITH NEW MORAN AND WHERE ARE WE
HEADED, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING
NOW AND THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW,
WHERE WE WERE.
WE WERE VERY CLOSE TO AN
AGREEMENT, IT APPEARED, WITH
LOTS OF PARTNERS READY TO COME
FORWARD.
>> Darren: WHAT ABOUT MEMORIAL
AUDITORIUM?
WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD HAPPEN
WITH THAT SITE?
>> Driscoll: MEMORIAL AUDITORIUM
HAS AN AMAZING HISTORY IN OUR
COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST IN THE
LAST, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF
DECADES, BUT SINCE IT'S BEEN
STANDING, YOU KNOW.
IT'S BEEN -- SERVED AS A CIVIC
CENTER, SERVED AS A MARKETPLACE,
A PLACE FOR THE ARTS.
WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO
REPLACE THAT RIGHT NOW.
I THINK IT'S A QUESTION WE HAVE
TO ASK OURSELVES AS A COMMUNITY,
ARE WE WILLING TO GIVE THIS UP,
AND I THINK WHEN I TALK TO
PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK WE ARE.
THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS AND
ENTITIES OUT THERE LOOKING FOR
SPACE.
THERE ARE OFFICE SPACES THAT THE
CITY OF BURLINGTON RENTS FOR ITS
EMPLOYEES.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF
DOING THINGS, BUT YOU HAVE TO
PUT IT OUT IN THE OPEN AND
INVITE PEOPLE IN AND HAVE THE
CONVERSATION.
YOU CAN FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THESE
PROBLEMS THAT DON'T HAVE TO COST
MORE MONEY.
IT'S ENTREPRENEURIAL, IT'S
INNOVATIVE, AND IT'S ABOUT
EMPOWERING PEOPLE TO GET THINGS
DONE.
>> Darren: SO YOU THINK THE CITY
SHOULD HOLD ON TO THIS PROPERTY,
REDEVELOP IT, AND THEN FIND
EITHER TENANTS OR USE IT FOR
CITY EMPLOYEES.
>> Driscoll: IF I WERE MAYOR,
THAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS I
WOULD BE SHEPHERDING RIGHT NOW
IS ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS AND
BRINGING PEOPLE IN IN A
TRANSPARENT MANNER TO ANSWER
THOSE QUESTIONS.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE BEING TOLD WE
DON'T HAVE TIME TO ENGAGE THE
QUESTION ABOUT MEMORIAL
AUDITORIUM.
MEANWHILE, WINDOWS ARE BROKEN,
GRAFFITI IS APPEARING, PIECES
ARE FALLING OFF THE OUTSIDE OF
THE BUILDING AND IT'S THE FIRST
THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU COME DOWN
THE HILL ON MAIN STREET.
>> Darren: WHAT ABOUT THE
DOWNTOWN MALL?
HUGE REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN
THE CITY CENTER.
WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT?
>> Driscoll: I AM A STRONG
BELIEVER THAT, WELL, 200 PLUS
MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF
INVESTMENT IS GOING TO BE GOOD
FOR BURLINGTON AND I THINK IT'S
REALLY A QUESTION RIGHT NOW OF
HOW GOOD.
THE MALL HAS IMPROVED AS A PLAN.
I AM EXCITED ABOUT THE 55-PLUS
AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT
ARE COMING ALONG.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE FACT THAT
THEY TURNED THE MALL INSIDE OUT
AND WE'RE DOING THINGS
DIFFERENTLY, AND I'M REALLY
HOPING THAT IT'S TRUE THAT WE'LL
OPEN UP THAT CLOSED ROADWAY THAT
WILL HELP WITH FLOW OF TRAFFIC
AND ACCESS TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF
TOWN.
IF I'M MAYOR, I LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE
IT'S THE BEST DEVELOPMENT FOR
BURLINGTON.
>> Darren: YOU'RE SEEKING A
POSITION THAT YOUR STEPFATHER
REALLY LAUNCHED HIS POLITICAL
CAREER, YOUR STEPFATHER BEING
BERNIE SANDERS.
HOW SIGNIFICANT IS IT THAT
YOU'RE KIND OF FOLLOWING IN HIS
FOOTSTEPS, IF YOU DO IN FACT WIN
THIS SEAT?
>> Driscoll: YEAH, YOU KNOW,
I'VE HEARD THAT PHRASE A FEW
TIMES TODAY, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M
FOLLOWING IN HIS FOOTSTEPS, AND
I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME
TRUTH TO THAT.
I'M ROUGHLY THE SAME AGE,
ACTUALLY A LITTLE OLDER THAN
BERNIE WAS WHEN HE WAS ELECTED
MAYOR, AND I'M GOING FOR IT.
SO CERTAINLY I'M FOLLOWING IN
HIS FOOTSTEPS, BUT I DEFINITELY
PLAN TO CHART MY OWN PATH AND I
APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT THAT I'M
GETTING FROM MY PARENTS, JUST AS
PARENTS ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE
THINGS THAT WE DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BERNIE AND I BOTH
FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING FOR
ME TO DO ON MY OWN, AND SO, YOU
KNOW, HE'S WATCHING AS A PARENT
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS
SUPPORT.
BUT WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.
I DON'T -- I DON'T HAVE ANY
GRAND PLANS BEYOND BURLINGTON
AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT
WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT HERE IN
BURLINGTON AND I HOPE TO BE
ELECTED.
>> Darren: DO YOU PLAN TO
SEEK HIS SUPPORT FOR YOUR
CANDIDACY THOUGH?
>> Driscoll: NO, I WILL NOT SEEK
BERNIE'S ENDORSEMENT AND WE WILL
NOT USE THE RESOURCES OF FRIENDS
OF BERNIE SANDERS OR ANY OF HIS
FUNDRAISING MECHANISMS TO
SUPPORT MY CAMPAIGN.
>> Darren: YOU'VE RUN AS A
DEMOCRAT AND A PROGRESSIVE
BEFORE.
YOU'RE RUNNING THIS TIME AS AN
INDEPENDENT, WHY?
>> Driscoll: I'M RUNNING AS AN
INDEPENDENT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I
THINK WHAT PEOPLE ARE FEELING
THROUGHOUT THE CITY ABOUT NOT
BEING ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS, I
THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
FEELING SIDELINED, WHETHER THEY
ARE PROGRESSIVES, MANY
DEMOCRATS, INDEPENDENTS, AS WELL
AS REPUBLICANS.
I THINK THINGS ARE NOT FEELING
GREAT IN BURLINGTON RIGHT NOW
AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS UNITE,
AND I BELIEVE I CAN ONLY DO THAT
AS AN INDEPENDENT.
>> Darren: WHAT WILL BE YOUR
BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN THIS RACE?
>> Driscoll: ELECTIONS CAN BE
DIVISIVE AND YOP TO BE DIVISIVE.
-- I DON'T WANT TO BE DIVISIVE.
I AM VERY INTERESTED IN WORKING
WITH PEOPLE.
THAT'S HARD TO DO WHEN YOU'RE
BEING CRITICAL OF THE MAYOR
BECAUSE THAT LANGUAGE CAN MAKE
PEOPLE FEEL, YOU KNOW, LIKE
YOU'RE IN AN ADVERSARIAL
SITUATION.
I GUESS I'LL SAY, AGAIN, YOU
KNOW, I RESPECT MORROW.
I WORKED FOR MORROW AND I THINK
MORROW HAS DONE A GOOD JOB ON
THE THINGS WE ELECTED HIM TO DO,
AND AS WE LOOK FORWARD, I THINK
BURLINGTON NEEDS NEW LEADERSHIP
AND I'M READY TO BE THAT PERSON.
>> Darren: AND JOIN US NEXT
SUNDAY MORNING.
MY GUEST WILL BE MAYOR MORROW
WEINBERGER.
WE'LL DISCUSS HIS CHALLENGE FROM
CARINA DRISCOLL AND WHY HE IS
SEEKING A THIRD TERM.
WE'LL ALSO TALK TO THE OTHER
INDEPENDENT IN THE RACE.
>>> COMING UP NEXT, AN ACTIVIST
WEIGHS IN ON THE PRESIDENT
SLASHING TWO NATIONAL MONUMENTS
IMPORTANT TO NATIVE AMERICANS.
>> Darren: LET'S HEAD TO THE
NEWSROOM TO SEE WHAT'S COMING UP
ON THE WEEKEND RIGHT HERE ON
CHANNEL 3.
SCOTT FLEISHMAN IS IN THE
NEWSROOM WITH A PREVIEW.
>> Scott: COMING UP ON THE
WEEKEND, I'M SPEAKING WITH THE
COAUTHORS OF A NEW BOOK CALLED
THE FULL VERMONTY.
IT'S A SATIRICAL LOOK AT LIFE OF
VERMONTERS DURING THE TRUMP
PRESIDENCY.
SATURDAY, THE ELDERLY WERE TOLD
THEY WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED BY THE
SENATE BILL.
TODAY WE EXPLORE THE IMPACTS THE
SENATE BILL COULD HAVE ON SENIOR
LIVING FACILITIES.
ONE FACILITY SAYS WITH BABY
BOOMERS ON THE WAY, THERE'S NO
TELLING WHAT ITS FUTURE HOLDS.
AND A SMALL SCHOOL IN VERMONT IS
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A HUGE
DONATION.
THE GROWING FARM-TO-SCHOOL
PROGRAM AT THE CONCORD SCHOOL IS
TEACHING CHILDREN HOW THEY CAN
MAKE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE
PLANET.
PLUS, DAVE BUSH WILL HAVE YOUR
FORECAST FOR THE COMING WEEK.
IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE COLD
ENOUGH FOR SNOW, BUT WILL WE SEE
ANY?
THAT AND MORE ON THE WEEKEND AT
THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
>> Darren: SCOTT, THANK YOU.
PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNED
PROCLAMATIONS THAT SHAVE NEARLY
TWO MILLION ACRES FROM
NEGOTIABLE MONUMENTS IN UTAH --
NATIONAL MONUMENTS IN UTAH.
THAT COULD OPEN THE LAND TO
MINING AND GRAZING.
IT ALSO OPENED UP THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION TO LAWSUITS, FIVE
SO FAR, FROM A COALITION OF
NATIVE AMERICANS TO CONSERVATION
GROUPS TO THE OUTDOOR GEAR
COMPANY PATAGONIA.
JAMIE TAKES US TO THE PLACE SO
SACRED TO INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
>> Reporter: THE VIEW IS
BREATHTAKING.
A LAND OF CULTURAL RICHNESS,
BEAUTY AND SOLITUDE.
FOR MARY, BEARS EARS IS HOME.
>> THIS PLACE IS SO SACRED TO
NATIVE AMERICANS.
PEOPLE NEED TO BE HERE TO SEE IT
AND FEEL THE HEALING.
>> Reporter: SHE'S A DESCENDANT
OF THE NAVAJO AND HOPI, WHICH
WERE AMONG THE TRIBES THAT
CONVINCED PRESIDENT OBAMA TO SET
ASIDE MORE THAN A MILLION ACRES
TO CREATE BEARS EARS NATIONAL
MONUMENT.
>> AND WOW, LITTLE US, WE DID
IT.
SOMEBODY ACTUALLY LISTENED TO US
IN WASHINGTON.
>> Reporter: AND NOW?
>> WE GET WHAT WE ASKED.
AND NOW THIS.
>> Reporter: THIS IS THE MOVE BY
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO
DRASTICALLY SHRINK THE AMOUNT OF
LAND PROTECTED AT BEARS EARS,
FROM 1.35 MILLION ACRES TO JUST
OVER 200,000, AND THE EQUALLY
STUNNING GRAND STAIRCASE
ESCALANTE MONUMENT IN SOUTHERN
UTAH BY HALF.
BUT THERE ARE THOSE THAT PRIZE
WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THE LAND, OIL,
GAS, URANIUM, WHICH IS WHY THE
QUIET LAND IS NOW SURROUNDED BY
SO MUCH NOISE.
TO YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND RYAN
ZINKE ARE?
>> TWO OF THE GREATEST PEOPLE
I'VE EVER BEEN ABLE TO ASSOCIATE
MYSELF WITH.
>> Reporter: BRUCE ADAMS SAYS
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHICH
OWNS TWO-THIRDS OF THE LAND IN
UTAH HAS OVERREACHED AND
RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE MORE
CONTROL.
WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS
THAT SAY THIS IS THEIR LAND AND
THIS IS SACRED GROUND?
>> I APPLAUD THE FACT THAT THEY
WANT THAT PROTECTION.
I JUST SIMPLY THINK THAT
PROTECTION EXISTS.
>> I CHERISH THE LAND.
>> Reporter: FOR THIS NAVAJO
ELDER, HE SAYS STRIPPING THE
PROTECTION LEAVES A DEEP SCAR.
>> NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT MY
NATION AND PROBABLY ALL TO
NATIVE AMERICANS.
>> Reporter: THIS IS GRAND
STAIRCASE ESCALANTE.
FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON
DECLARED THIS A MONUMENT MORE
THAN TWO DECADES AGO.
JUST LIKE BEARS EARS, IT TOOK
YEARS TO GET THAT STATUS.
NOW NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES AS
WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS SAY
IT COULD BE YEARS OF A LEGAL
FIGHT BEFORE THIS IS RESOLVED.
>> Darren: ASIDE FROM THE
LAWSUITS, SOME NATIVE AMERICANS
ARE FINDING OTHER WAYS TO
PROTEST THE PRESIDENT AND THE
CUTS TO THESE NATIONAL
MONUMENTS.
LIKE DALLAS GOLDTOOTH.
HE'S A NATIONAL ACTIVIST A POET,
A POWWOW EMCEE, AND A COMEDIAN,
AND HE'S USING HUMOR TO SPREAD
AWARENESS.
HE SAT DOWN WITH CHANNEL 3'S EVA
McKENT.
>> Reporter: IT IS SO NICE TO
MEET YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE HERE.
>> Reporter: YOU'RE AN ACTIVIST
AND A COMEDIAN.
HOW DO YOU BALANCE THOSE THINGS?
SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT SOME OF
THE ISSUES YOU HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT ARE NOT FUNNY, ARE
INCREASINGLY BECOMING LESS AND
LESS FUNNY.
>> YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO TELL
YOU, TO BE ABSOLUTELY HONEST,
IT'S GETTING HARDER AND HARDER
TO MAKE LIGHT OF THE SITUATION
WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW ACROSS
THIS COUNTRY, BUT I THINK --
TAKE IT IN THE CONTEXT OF OUR
HISTORY.
I SPEAK TO MY -- FROM MY OWN
BACKGROUND AS A NATIVE PERSON.
OUR PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A
LOT WORSE AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
SHINE AND STILL CREATE A VIBRANT
COMMUNITY GIVEN ALL THE THINGS
THAT WE'VE GONE UP AGAINST.
AND I THINK THAT I REALLY
SPEAK -- I LIKE TO TAP INTO OUR
STRENGTH AND I THINK HONESTLY
OUR STRENGTH AS NATIVE PEOPLE IS
TO MAKE LIGHT OF A SITUATION, TO
SEE LIGHT IN THE DARKNESS AND
NOT BE AFRAID TO LAUGH STILL.
THAT'S SOMETHING I REALLY,
REALLY -- I THINK IS CORE TO MY
ACTIVISM AND ORGANIZING.
>> Reporter: MANY OF THE
VICTORIES THAT YOU WON LAST
YEAR, DAKOTA ACCESS, KEYSTONE
XL, SEEING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION REVERSE THOSE
THIS YEAR, HISTORIC VICTORIES
LAST YEAR, DO YOU FEEL DEFEATED?
>> NO, I ACTUALLY DON'T.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S EASY -- I THINK
YOU CAN GET DOWNTRODDEN AND IT'S
EASY TO FEEL LIKE, OH, THIS IS A
BAD TIME TO LIVE IN!
AND REALLY GET WRAPPED UP INTO
THIS KIND OF IDEA THAT, OH, THIS
IS THE END OF TIMES, BUT EVERY
GENERATION FEELS IT.
I THINK THAT WHERE I CHOOSE TO
PULL MY STRENGTH FROM, WHERE I
CHOOSE TO PULL MY ENERGY FROM IS
NOT IN THIS INDIVIDUALISTIC
RESPONSE TO THE MOMENT, BUT
REALLY TAP INTO THE COLLECTIVE
ENERGY OF PEOPLE POWER AND MASS
MOVEMENTS.
I THINK THAT WITH THIS
ADMINISTRATION'S CLEAR DISREGARD
FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, FOR COMMUNITY
RIGHTS, FOR TRIBAL SOVEREIGNTY
AND INDIGENOUS ISSUES AND
ENVIRONMENTAL RIGHTS, THE WHOLE
GAMUT OF ISSUES, WE'RE SEEING
MASS MOVEMENTS RESPOND.
>> Reporter: LET'S TALK ABOUT
THAT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT JUST THIS WEEK,
BEARS EARS.
IS THERE PLANNED MOBILIZATION IN
RESPONSE TO SHRINKING THOSE
MONUMENTS?
I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT
THE NATIVE AMERICAN OUTCRY, BUT
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN
ACTUALLY DO?
>> Goldtooth: I'M EXCITED.
I'M REALLY, REALLY EXCITED
BECAUSE I SEE THIS MOBILIZATION
THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE
BETWEEN NON-INDIGENOUS,
NON-NATIVE CONSERVATIONISTS,
TRIBAL NATIONS AND GRASSROOTS
PEOPLE REALLY COMING TOGETHER TO
STAND UP IN DEFENSE OF THE
SACRED AND DEFENSE OF LAND USAGE
AND DEFENSE OF PUBLIC LANDS, AND
I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME REALLY
SIGNIFICANT INNINGS THAT CAN
HAPPEN AND -- THINGS THAT CAN
HAPPEN AND THERE'S A LOT OF
MOBILIZATION.
RIGHT NOW, JUST AN HOUR AFTER
TRUMP DID HIS SPEECH IN SALT
LAKE CITY ANNOUNCING THE
DIMINISHMENT OF BEARS EARS AND
THE GRAND STAIRCASE ESCALANTE
NATIONAL MONUMENTS, FIVE TRIBAL
NATIONS CAME TOGETHER AND
ANNOUNCED THAT THEY'RE FILING A
LAWSUIT AGAINST THE
ADMINISTRATION, WHICH IS ALMOST
UNPRECEDENTED TO SEE TRIBAL
NATIONS ALL COME TOGETHER FOR A
UNIFIED LEGAL ACTION OF THAT
SORT.
SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANT STANDING
FOR THAT, FOR THE LEGAL ACTION,
AND I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO
SOME MOBILIZATION.
AND I THINK WHAT WAS REALLY
INSPIRING IS THAT IN THE
RESPONSE FROM TRIBAL LEADERS,
ONE OF THE TRIBAL PRESIDENTS FOR
THE UTE TRIBE HAD STEPPED UP AND
SAID, LOOK, THIS IS A FIGHT THAT
WE DIDN'T START, BUT WE'RE
WILLING TO GO TO GREAT LENGTHS
TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WIN, AND I
REALLY, REALLY BELIEVE IN THAT.
>> Reporter: I WANT TO ASK ABOUT
THE USE OF POCAHONTAS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP CONTINUES TO USE
THAT, SOME WOULD ARGUE IT'S
BEING USED AS A RACIAL SLUR.
ARE YOU OFFENDED BY THAT OR DO
YOU MAKE A JOKE OUT OF THAT?
>> Goldtooth: I MEAN, I MAKE A
JOKE OUT OF IT TO RESPOND TO --
JUST MAKE SURE I'M GOOD WITH IT.
I THINK THAT I AM OFFENDED.
I THINK -- I FELT THIS WAY, THAT
IT'S HILARIOUS THAT WE STILL
LIVE IN A TIME WHERE THE -- WE
LIVE IN A MOMENT WHERE PEOPLE
CAN JUST BLATANTLY USE RACIAL
SLURS AND LANGUAGE OF THAT SORT
TO PUT DOWN OTHER ELECTED
LEADERS, AND THEN NOTHING
HAPPENS.
I THINK IT'S ABSURD THAT THIS IS
THE REALITY THAT WE LIVE IN, AND
BECAUSE OF THAT, I CAN LAUGH,
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS -- PEOPLE
HAVE GONE TO GREAT LENGTHS TO
REALLY EXPLAIN THE TRUE HISTORY
OF POCAHONTAS AND THE TRUE
HISTORY OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR
ACTION WITH SETTLERS AND NATIVE
FOLKS ON THE EAST COAST AND TO
CONTINUE THIS FALSE NARRATIVE OF
POCAHONTAS IS REALLY, I THINK,
DAMAGING TO THOSE EFFORTS.
>> Reporter: LASTLY, I KNOW THAT
YOU JOKED ABOUT GOING OUT TO THE
NATIONAL MALL AND PROTESTING AND
THEN ASKING TOURISTS IF THEY
WANTED TO TAKE PICTURES OF YOU!
YOU CHARGED THEM TO TAKE
PICTURES OF YOU, HILARIOUS.
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS
SUCH A DISCONNECT BETWEEN FOLKS
AND THE NATIVE AMERICAN
EXPERIENCE?
WHY IS IT SO FOREIGN TO SOME
PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO
TAKE PICTURES AS IF YOU WEREN'T
AMERICAN?
>> Goldtooth: PUT IT THIS WAY.
IF I ASK YOU WHAT ARE THE TOP
FIVE NATIVE AMERICAN FILMS THAT
YOU KNOW, A GOOD CHANCE THAT THE
MAJORITY THAT YOU NAME IS A
BUNCH OF INDIANS ON HORSEBACK IN
TEE PEES IN THE 1800s, IT
DEPICTS THEM AT THAT TIME.
THERE IS WITHIN THE AMERICAN
PSYCHE, THERE IS NO IMAGINING OR
NO IMAGERY OF NATIVE PEOPLE
EXIST IN THIS MOMENT, AND SO
WHEN WE STAND UP AND ARE TRYING
TO FIGHT AGAINST BEARS EARS OR
FIGHT AGAINST THE KEYSTONE XL
PIPELINE OR DAKOTA ACCESS
PIPELINE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE,
PEOPLE JUST COMPLETELY DISREGARD
US BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST LIKE,
WELL, WHO ARE YOU GUYS?
THE ONLY INDIANS I KNOW DIED 200
YEARS AGO.
SO WE'RE -- WE'VE CONSTANTLY
HAVE TO PUSH UP AGAINST THIS
NARRATIVE THAT WE LIVE IN THE
PAST, THAT OUR ISSUES ARE IN THE
PAST AND WE'RE NOT AROUND
ANYMORE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I LIKE
TO CHALLENGE EVERY DAY, WHETHER
IT'S JOKE AROUND WITH PEOPLE AND
SAYING, HEY, MAYBE I'LL JUST
TAKE SOME PICTURES OF SOME
TOURISTS AND SCARE THEM A LITTLE
BIT BY SAYING, HEY, WE'RE STILL
HERE!
IT'S AN ONGOING -- I GUESS IT'S
A DIFFERENT SORT OF ACTIVISM, I
LIKE TO CHALLENGE PEOPLE, YEAH,
WE'RE STILL HERE AND NOT ONLY
ARE WE STILL HERE, BUT WE'RE
ALSO LAUGHING.
WE'RE ALSO NOT SO STOIC AND
SERIOUS ALL THE TIME, EVEN
THOUGH WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT
SERIOUS ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE TO TRY
TO MIX IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
>> Reporter: THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR BEING HERE.
>> Goldtooth: THANK YOU VERY
MUCH FOR HAVING ME ON.
>> Darren: AND THAT WILL DO IT
FOR "YOU CAN QUOTE ME."
THE NEWS CONTINUES NEXT RIGHT
HERE ON CHANNEL 3.
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