YCQM: December 3, 2017

BURLINGTON, Vt. ( WCAX ) >> Darren: GOOD MORNING,
EVERYONE.
RIGHT NOW ON "YOU CAN QUOTE ME,"
LEGAL INJECTION SITES FOR
ILLEGAL DRUGS.
WHY CHITTENDEN COUNTY'S TOP LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL SAYS
ADDICTS NEED A SAFE PLACE TO
SHOOT UP NOW.
>>> WHAT DO YOU PUT ON SOCIAL
MEDIA?
WORRIED YOUR BOSS WILL GET A
LOOK?
A NEW LAW PROTECTS ONLINE USERS
FROM PRYING EYES.
>>> MONEY MESS.
THE STATE'S REVENUES COMING UP
SHORT, WHAT IT MEANS FOR YOU.
>>> AND JODY HERRING DOING TIME
FOR KILLING FOUR PEOPLE.
NOW, EXCLUSIVE POLICE VIDEOS AND
WHAT THEY REVEAL ABOUT THIS
TRAGIC CASE.
THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS
MORNING.
CHANNEL THREE NEWS GOT NEW VIDEO
OF CONVICTED KILLER JODY HERRING
ON THE DAY SHE SHOT FOUR PEOPLE
DEAD.
IT SHOWS HER DEADLY RAGE AFTER
LOSING CUSTODY OF HER 9-YEAR-OLD
DAUGHTER, WHICH SHE BLAMED ON
RELATIVES AND HER SOCIAL WORKER.
HERE'S TYLER DUMONT.
>> Tyler: IT'S CHILLING VIDEO.
SHOWING JODY HERRING IN THE
MOMENTS BEFORE AND AFTER SHE
COMMITTED FOUR HORRIFIC MURDERS.
THIS ONE SHOWS HERRING'S SILVER
CAR PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT OF
THE BARRY DCF OFFICE.
SHE LIES IN WAIT FOR OVER EIGHT
MINUTES AND IS THEN SEEN EXITING
HER CAR WITH A RIFLE IN HAND
BEFORE SHOOTING SOCIAL WORKER
LARA SOBEL.
AND LISTEN TO THIS.
A JAIL CELL CAMERA CATCHES
HERRING'S BOASTING ABOUT THE
KILLINGS SHE HAD COMMITTED,
INCLUDING MEMBERS OF HER OWN
FAMILY.
AND HEAR HER INTERVIEW WITH THE
STATE POLICE DETECTIVE THE NEXT
DAY.
>> I'VE NOT GOING TO COME OUT
HERE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS THAT I
DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.
>> OH WELL.
>> NO I KNOW YOU'RE REPRESENTED
BY A LAWYER --
[ INDISCERNIBLE ]
.
>> THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THEY
[ BLEEP ] IT.
>> Tyler: THREE OF THOSE
VICTIMS, HERRING'S TWO COUSINS
AND AUNT, HAD BEEN SHOT TO DEATH
IN THEIR BURLINGTON HOME.
THIS VIDEO CAMERA SHOWS THE
MOMENT AN OFFICER ARRIVED.
>> YEAH, A THIRD ONE UPSTAIRS.
>> Tyler: HUSBAND GUN STILL
DRAWN AS HE SEARCHED AND ASKED
FOR BACKUP.
>> SHE KNEW SHE WOULD HAVE
ACCESS TO THEM AND FIND THEM.
THEY HAVE INCAPACITATED IN THE
HOME.
>> Tyler: WE SHOWED THE VIDEOS
TO PENNY STOEL WHO RESEARCHED
VIOLENT CRIMES FOR 30 YEARS.
>> IN SOME WAYS, SHE FEELS SHE'S
GOT REVENGE AND JUSTICE FOR WHAT
SHE'S DONE.
>> Tyler: HERRING SEEMS TO
REJOICE ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DONE,
EVEN CLAPPING IN HER CELL AND
SHE SEEMS TO POCK ONE OF HER
VICTIMS IN THEIR LAST VICTIMS.
>> OH NO!
OH NO!
>> WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO JUST
COMMITTED THIS TYPE OF CRIME
REENACT IT TO THEMSELVES?
>> MAYBE TO GIVE HER A SENSE OF
ACCOMPLISHMENT.
SHE IS REGAPING THE POWER AND
CONTROL SHE FEELS SHE HAD LOST.
>> Tyler: SHE NOTED THAT HERRING
SHOWS SIGNS OF RAGE, INCLUDING
SCREAMING AT THE CAMERA IN HER
CELL HOURS AFTER THE SHOOTINGS.
>> CLEARLY IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE
SHE'S FILLED WITH REMORSE AT
THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT CRYING, JUST PROUD OF
HERSELF.
>> Darren: AND TYLER JOINS ME
NOW.
GOOD MORNING, TYLER.
>> Tyler: GOOD MORNING.
>> Darren: LET'S TALK A LITTLE
BIT ABOUT WHAT THE VIDEOS REALLY
REVEAL HERE.
>> Tyler: WELL, IT CERTAINLY
GIVES PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE
OF A LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON
IN MS. HERRING'S MIND BOTH
BEFORE AND AFTER THIS ATTACK
AGAINST FOUR PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS CERTAINLY, NO
DOUBT, ONE OF THE WORST AND MOST
HORRIFIC CASES OF MURDER THAT
THE STATE HAS EVER SEEN, AND SO
IT CERTAINLY GIVES A PERSPECTIVE
AS TO WHAT WAS GOING ON IN
JODY'S MIND, PARTICULARLY AFTER
THIS ALL WENT DOWN.
>> Darren: HOW DID WE GET THESE
VIDEOS?
EXPLAIN TO FOLKS HOW WE GOT OUR
HANDS ON THESE.
>> Tyler: THESE VIDEOS ARE PART
OF THE EVIDENCE THAT PROSECUTORS
HAD USED IN THEIR CASE.
NOW, OF COURSE, THEY ENDED UP
RESOLVING THIS THROUGH A --
THROUGH A PLEA AGREEMENT THAT
ENDED UP WITH A LIFE SENTENCE
WITHOUT THE CHANCE OF PAROLE.
NOW, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET
THESE VIDEOS UNTIL THE
SENTENCING HAD WRAPPED UP AND,
OF COURSE, THE EVIDENCE VIDEOS
HAD BEEN SUBMITTED AND THAT'S
HOW WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN THEM
FROM THE COURT.
>> Darren: SOME FOLKS HAVE BEEN
CRITICAL OF WCAX FOR SHOWING
THESE VIDEOS, ASKING, YOU KNOW,
WHY WE WOULD DO THIS.
EXPLAIN TO FOLKS THE PURPOSE
BEHIND US SHOWING WHAT HAPPENED
AFTER THESE FOUR HORRIFIC
MURDERS AND SHOWING JODY
HERRING, THE PERSON WHO PULLED
THE TRIGGER IN ALL FOUR CASES.
>> Tyler: IT'S NOT EASY, YOU
KNOW, AND CERTAINLY NO DOUBT I
CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD
BE CONCERNED ABOUT SEEING SUCH
INTENSE VIDEOS AND SEEING SUCH
RAGE.
AS JOURNALISTS, THOUGH, I THINK
WE STILL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY
TO TALK ABOUT THE WHO, WHAT,
WHERE, WHEN, WHY, AND HOW THINGS
HAPPENED, HOW THINGS UNFOLDED IN
OUR COMMUNITIES, AND, YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE TO UPHOLD THAT
RESPONSIBILITY, EVEN IN TIMES
WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S TOUGH TO
SEE.
AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY --
THAT'S EXACTLY THE CASE HERE.
>> Darren: WHAT DID THIS
CRIMINOLOGIST ALSO GIVE YOU FOR
INFORMATION?
ANY OTHER INSIGHTS INTO WHO JODY
HERRING IS?
>> Tyler: WELL, CERTAINLY SHE
WAS ABLE TO ANALYZE THE VIDEOS
AS SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKED AT, YOU
KNOW, COUNTLESS MURDERS OVER THE
YEARS, AND WAS ABLE TO SORT OF
REALLY SEE A LOT OF TEXTBOOK,
TEXTBOOK SITUATIONS, I GUESS,
WITH THIS CASE.
AND THAT THERE WAS STILL A LOT
OF RAGE HOURS AFTER THIS
HAPPENED, AS YOU SAW, YOU KNOW,
STILL SITTING IN HER CELL AND
STILL CLAPPING AND SHOUTING AND
SWEARING.
I MEAN, CERTAINLY THERE WAS
STILL A LOT OF ANGER THAT HAD
BEEN BUILT UP INSIDE JODY AND
ACCORDING TO THE CRIMINOLOGIST
THAT WE SPOKE TO, CERTAINLY THAT
ANGER COULD HAVE BEEN BUILT UP
LONG BEFORE THESE MURDERS EVER
HAPPENED.
AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
YOU KNOW, IN TALKING ABOUT
SHOWING THESE VIDEOS, WE WANT
PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE WERE
ELEMENTS THAT WE CHOSE NOT TO
SHOW AND THAT WE DO BEAR A
RESPONSIBILITY HERE AND, YOU
KNOW, HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN
WHAT WE SHOW TO THE PUBLIC.
SO PEOPLE SHOULD CERTAINLY BE
ASSURED THAT CAUTION IS TAKEN IN
THESE CASES.
>> Darren: TYLER DUMONT, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS
MORNING.
STILL AHEAD, SHOULD DRUG USERS
HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO INJECT
WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT
PROSECUTION?
AND NEXT, DID YOU KNOW YOUR BOSS
CAN DEMAND YOU GIVE THEM ACCESS
TO YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA?
WELL, THAT'S ABOUT TO CHANGE.
>> Darren: IF YOU HAVE A SOCIAL
MEDIA ACCOUNT AND A JOB, THIS
STORY AFFECTS YOU.
A NEW LAW WILL SOON CHANGE WHAT
AN EMPLOYER CAN SEE OF YOUR
ACTIVITY ON THOSE SITES.
CHANNEL THREE'S NEAL GOSWAMI
TELLS US WHAT RIGHTS YOU'LL
HAVE.
>> Neal: IF YOU USE FACEBOOK,
TWITTER, INSTAGRAM, OR ANY OF
THE MYRIAD OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA
SITES, YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED TO
FIND OUT THAT RIGHT NOW, NOTHING
STOPS YOUR EMPLOYER FROM
DEMANDING ACCESS TO YOUR
ACCOUNTS.
>> YEAH, I DON'T THINK EMPLOYERS
NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR
PERSONAL INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT OR
YOUR SNAPCHAT ACCOUNT.
THAT SEEMS A LITTLE MUCH.
>> I WOULDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH
IT PERSONALLY IF THEY WERE
WANTING TO REFER TO LOOKING AT
THE PARTS OF IT THAT WERE
PUBLICLY VIEWABLE.
>> Neal: THAT'S CHANGING
STARTING JANUARY 1st WHEN A NEW
LAW TAKES EFFECT.
IT BANS EMPLOYERS FROM ASKING
FOR YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA PASSWORDS.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO REVIEW
PRIVATE ACCOUNTS AT ALL.
>> SO WE'RE BARRELING QUICKLY TO
THE FINISH.
>> Neal: CHAMPLAIN COLLEGE
PROFESSOR ELAINE YOUNG HAS BEEN
STUDYING SOCIAL MEDIA USE FOR
YEARS.
SHE SAYS IT HAPPENS.
>> THERE ARE STORIES OF PEOPLE
SAYING SHOW ME YOUR FACEBOOK
BEFORE I HIRE YOU.
>> Neal: THAT ONES BE ALLOWED
UNDER ACT 37.
ITS GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE
EMPLOYEES HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO KEEP THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA AND
TEAR WORK SEPARATE.
>> THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY MEANT
FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SELF.
THEY'RE MORE ABOUT THE WHOLE
ROUNDED PERSON AND EMPLOYERS IN
THE PAST HAVE MADE HIRING
DECISIONS BASED ON CONTENT IN
SOMEONE'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT.
>> Neal: JENNA AS SENIOR AT
CHAMPLAIN COLLEGE.
SHE'S ABOUT TO ENTER THE JOB
MARKET.
SHE EXPECTS FUTURE EMPLOYERS TO
REVIEW THE PUBLIC PARTS OF HER
ACCOUNT.
>> IF IT'S A JOB I REALLY WANT,
I WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE
I AM CAREFUL OF WHAT I PUT OUT
ON SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE I'M
AWARE OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT
COULD HAPPEN.
>> Neal: BUT SHE SAYS THE LINE
BETWEEN PERSONAL AND
PROFESSIONAL LIVES SHOULD BE
EXPECTED.
>> IF YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY KEEP
YOUR PERSONAL LIFE PERSONAL
WITHIN THE WORKFORCE, EVERYTHING
STARTS TO OVERLAP AND IT'S AN
UNHEALTHY BALANCE.
>> Neal: THERE ARE SOME
EXCEPTIONS.
EMPLOYERS CAN STILL ASK TO SEE
ACCOUNTS THAT ARE AFFILIATED
WITH THE BUSINESS OR IF THE
EMPLOYEE'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNT
IS LINKED TO HARASSMENT OR LEGAL
ISSUES.
AND IF YOUR JOB REQUIRES SPECIAL
SECURITY CLEARANCES, EXPECT MORE
SCRUTINY.
>> Darren: AND NEAL JOINS ME NOW
FROM MONTPELIER.
GOOD MORNING, NEAL.
>> Neal: GOOD MORNING, DARREN,
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
>> Darren: THANK YOU.
I BET A LOT OF FOLKS PROBABLY
SURPRISED TO LEARN THEIR BOSS
TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR SOCIAL
MEDIA RIGHT NOW.
DO WE KNOW IF LAWMAKERS WERE
MADE AWARE OF SOME INCIDENCES OF
BOSSES DEMANDING THIS AND THAT'S
WHY THE LAW WAS PASSED?
>> Neal: LIKE MOST LEGISLATION
THAT COMES THROUGH THE STATE
HOUSE IN MONTPELIER, THIS WAS
REALLY DRIVEN BY CONSTITUENTS,
AND I THINK LAWMAKERS WERE MADE
AWARE OF CERTAIN VERY SPECIFIC
SITUATIONS WHICH RESULTED IN
THIS LAW AND RIGHT NOW NOTHING
PREVENT AND BOSS OR EMPLOYER
FROM ASKING YOU TO SEE YOUR
SOCIAL MEDIAINGS OR ASK FOR YOUR
PASSWORDS TO ACCESS THEM.
YOU CAN, OF COURSE, SAY NO, BUT
PERHAPS THERE MIGHT BE SOME
EMPLOYMENT CONSEQUENCES FOR
THAT.
>> Darren: BUT EXPLAIN FURTHER,
BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED THERE ARE
SOME EXCEPTIONS HERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, MY WCAX DARREN PAGE
ON TWITTER WOULD BE SUBJECT TO
BOSSES TAKING A LOOK, RIGHT?
>> Neal: RIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE A TWITTER ACCOUNT, A
FACEBOOK ACCOUNT, AN INSTAGRAM
ACCOUNT, ANYTHING THAT IS LINKED
TO YOUR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT AND
IS USED SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUR
JOB, THEN YOUR EMPLOYER COULD
ASK TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON
THAT ACCOUNT.
BUT ANY PERSONAL ACCOUNTS THAT
ARE NOT LINKED TO YOUR
EMPLOYMENT ARE OFFLIMITS
BEGINNING JANUARY 1st.
>> Darren: ALL RIGHT, NEAL,
LET'S MOVE ON.
A BIT OF A MONEY MESS DOWN
THERE, REVENUES COMING UP SHORT
AND THAT MEANS LESS GREEN COMING
INTO THE GREEN MOUNTAIN STATE
COFFERS.
WHAT'S UP?
>> Neal: WELL, YOU KNOW, LAST
MONTH, OR ACTUALLY IN OCTOBER,
THE PERSONAL INCOME TAXES WERE
DOWN BY ABOUT $6 MILLION.
ON THURSDAY, LAWMAKERS HAD A
FISCAL BRIEFING HERE IN
MONTPELIER AND THEY LEARNED THAT
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO REBOUND IN
NOVEMBER, BUT THEY'RE STILL
FACING A $45 MILLION GAP FOR THE
FISCAL YEAR IN 2019.
NOW, THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS
THAN LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS MORE
THAN $70 MILLION, BUT A
SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE AHEAD.
>> Darren: ANOTHER REVENUE
DOWNGRADE EXPECTED IN JANUARY ON
TOP OF THAT?
>> Neal: I SPOKE WITH TOM
CAVETT, WHO'S THE ECONOMIST FOR
THE LEGISLATURE ON THURSDAY, AND
HE TOLD ME IT'S UNLIKELY AT THIS
POINT BECAUSE NOVEMBER PERSONAL
INCOME TAX REVENUE WAS SUPPOSED
TO MAKE UP FOR THE DOWNFALL IN
OCTOBER AND HE THINKS THAT BY
THE TIME JANUARY ROLLS AROUND,
THINGS WILL BE FAIRLY EVEN IN
TERMS OF REVENUE FOR THE YEAR
AND PROBABLY WON'T LEAD TO A
REVENUE DOWNGRADE IN JANUARY.
>> Darren: SO YOU MENTIONED THE
$45 MILLION BUDGET GAP HERE,
NEAL.
ARE THE PARTIES LOOKING AT THIS
DIFFERENTLY?
HOW ARE THEY PLANNING TO MAKE UP
THAT MONEY?
>> Neal: WHEN I SPOKE TO
REPRESENTATIVE KITTY TOLL, WHO
CHAIRS THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS
COMMITTEE, SHE TOLD ME THAT NEW
REVENUE IS CURRENTLY BEING
DISCUSSED, ALTHOUGH NOTHING IS
MOVING FORWARD AT THIS POINT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE, FOR
REPUBLICANS, HOUSE MINORITY
LEADER DON TURNER SAYS THEY'RE
LOOKING AT THE STATE WORKFORCE
AND NOTICING THAT IT'S GROWN
SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE 2010, AND
THEY'D LIKE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY
TO TRIM THAT DOWN AS A WAY OF
SAVING STATE FUNDS.
>> Darren: CHANNEL THREE'S
POLITICAL REPORTER NEAL GOSWAMI
IN MONTPELIER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UP NEXT, IS THIS RIGHT FOR
VERMONT?
SUPERVISED INJECTION SITES.
I'LL ASK THE CHITTENDEN COUNTY
STATE'S ATTORNEY NEXT.
>> Darren: ONE OF THE STATE'S
LEADING PROSECUTORS BACKING
LEGISLATION THAT WOULD LEGALIZE
SUPERVISED INJECTION SITES IN
VERMONT FOR DRUG USERS.
TYLER DUMONT LOOKS INTO THE
PROPOSAL AND TALKS TO LEADER
HOOP SAY IT'S A BAD IDEA.
>> AS PART OF THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY, I HAVE AN
OBLIGATION TO EXAMINE ALL
POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.
>> Tyler: STANDING WITH THE
COMMISSION OF TOP LAW ENFORCERS
AND HEALTH LEADERS, THE
CHITTENDEN COUNTY STATE'S
ATTORNEY ANNOUNCED SUPPORT TO
BRING SUPERVISED INJECTION SITES
TO VERMONT.
THE DECISION COMES AFTER MONTHS
OF RESEARCH THAT FORMED THE
COMMISSION'S NEWLY RELEASED
REPORT.
>> IT WAS CLEAR THAT BY OUR LAST
MEETING, HA THIS WAS NOT SO MUCH
A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE SHOULD
DO THIS, BUT A QUESTION OF WHEN.
>> Tyler: WHILE THERE ARE
CURRENTLY FOR OTHER SUPERVISED
INJECTION SITES OPERATING IN THE
U.S., THERE ARE SOME IN OTHER
PARTS OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING
THIS ONE IN ONTARIO.
THE FACILITIES ARE A SPOT WHERE
ADDICTS WHO ILLEGALLY OBTAIN
DRUGS CAN FIND A SAFE PLACE TO
GET HIGH AND NOT FACE CRIMINAL
CONSEQUENCES.
THEY OFFER SUPERVISION FROM
MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, REVERSAL
DRUGS FOR OVERDOSES, CLEAN
NEEDLES, ACCESS TO TREATMENT,
AND SCREENINGS BEFORE USERS CAN
LEAVE.
>> WE'RE UL HERE WITH A SHARE
SENSE OF URGENCY.
>> Tyler: IN 2016, VERMONT HAD
106 ACCIDENTAL AND UNDETERMINED
OPIOID-RELATED DEATHS.
A 41% INCREASE FROM 2015.
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
SAYS OPIOID-RELATED FATALITIES
HAVE MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE
2010.
BUT NOT ALL STATE LEADERS ARE ON
BOARD.
IN A STATEMENT, THE STATE'S
PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION SAID,
QUOTE, THE BETTER STRATEGY IS
FOR VERMONT TO FOCUS ITS LIMITED
RESOURCES ON PREVENTING THE USE
OF OPIOIDS AND HEROIN IN THE
FIRST PLACE, TREATING THOSE WHO
SEEK AND WANT TREATMENT FOR THIS
DISEASE, AND SUPPORTING THOSE IN
RECOVERY, FACILITATING THE
ONGOING USE OF HEROIN THROUGH
THIS SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE AT
THE WRONG TIME TO THE WRONG
PEOPLE, A MESSAGE THE GOVERNOR
ECHOED.
>> IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE ARE
BETTER METHODS TO TREATMENT THAN
OFFERING THESE SITES OF
INJECTION SAFE SITES.
>> Tyler: OTHERS ARE STILL
UNSURE.
>> AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE
DON'T HAVE A POSITION TO SAFE
INJECTION SITES.
>> Tyler: THE COMMISSION'S
REPORT ALSO INCLUDED TWO SURVEYS
OF ADDICTS AND WHETHER THEY'D
USE A SAFER INJECTION SITE.
RESULTS FROM ONE SHOWED STRONG
SUPPORT WHILE THE SECOND SHOWED
A MIX OF OPINIONS.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT THE SITES
HAVE A SHOT IN VERMONT WILL
LARGELY DEPEND ON LEGISLATIVE
SUPPORT.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY TWO MIRRORED
BILLS SET TO BE REVIEWED BY
LEGISLATORS IN THE NEXT SESSION
WHICH BEGINS IN JANUARY.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO READ THE
COMMISSION'S COMPLETE REPORT,
WE'VE POSTED IT ON THIS STORY ON
HER WEBSITE AT WCAX.COM.
IN THE NEWSROOM, TYLER DUMONT,
CHANNEL THREE NEWS.
>> Darren: AND THE STATE'S
ATTORNEY JOINS ME NOW.
SARAH GEORGE, GOOD MORNING.
>> George: GOOD MORNING.
>> Darren: IS THIS RIGHT FOR
VERMONT?
>> George: I THINK IT IS.
I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE START
LOOKING AT OPTIONS THAT DON'T
SOUND PRETTY AND AREN'T THE KIND
OF TYPICAL THINGS THAT WE'VE
BEEN DOING FOR SO LONG THAT ARE
CLEARLY NOT WORKING.
>> Darren: VERMONT WOULD BE THE
FIRST STATE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE
UNITED STATES.
WHY GO FIRST ON THIS?
>> George: WELL, IT DEPENDS
ON -- THAT ANSWER WOULD DEPEND
ON WHEN WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT
THEM.
SEVERAL STATES HAVE PASSED
LEGISLATION FOR THEM.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY
OPENED THEIR DOORS YET.
>> Darren: HOW WOULD IT WORK?
I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS AT HOME
ARE PROBABLY WONDERING WHAT
THESE SITES WILL LOOK LIKE?
WILL THEY LOOK LIKE THE SITES
IN, SAY, VANCOUVER?
>> George: YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK
THAT OUR SITE WOULD BE -- IF WE
HAD ONE IN CHITTENDEN COUNTY,
FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD BE A LOT
SMALLER THAN VANCOUVER'S.
THERE IS AN ENORMOUS FACILITY,
BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE
ONE IN VANCOUVER ALSO INCLUDES
TREATMENT FACILITIES, SO
LITERALLY ONSITE, YOU CAN GO UP
TO THE THIRD FLOOR AND BE IN AN
INPATIENT REHABILITATION CENTER.
SO FOR US HERE, I IMAGINE
THAT -- PERSONALLY, I IMAGINE IT
BEING IN A SYRINGE EXCHANGE
PROGRAM THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE
LIKE SAFE RECOVERY, SO IT WOULD
REALLY BE THE ADDITION OF
SUPPORT STAFF, MEDICAL STAFF,
AND SPACES, LITERALLY SPACES FOR
AN INDIVIDUAL TO INJECT.
>> Darren: YOU MENTIONED SAFE
RECOVERY.
THAT OBVIOUSLY HERE IN THE
BURLINGTON AREA.
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WOULD BE MORE
OF A FIT FOR URBAN AREAS, LARGER
METROPOLITAN AREAS.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT RURAL VERMONT
AS WELL HAVING THESE KIND OF
SPOTS SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE
STATE, OR DO THEY MAKE SENSE?
OR IS IT REALLY FOCUSING ON,
SAY, THE HOMELESS POPULATION?
>> George: NO, IT'S NOT.
I THINK THAT THE ONE THING THAT
TYLER BROUGHT UP IN HIS FEES WAS
THAT THERE'S A MIXTURE -- HIS
PIECE IS THERE'S A MIXED REVIEW
BY THE VERMONT CARE SURVEY THAT
WAS DONE AND THAT'S IN OUR
REPORT.
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT SOME OF
THAT WAS THE CLIENTELE HAVING TO
DRIVE TO A FACILITY.
SO I THINK YOUR POINT IS
CORRECT, THAT THEY DO IN SOME
SENSE MAKE SENSE -- IN SOME WAY
MAKE MORE SENSE FOR AN URBAN
POPULATION BECAUSE AN INDIVIDUAL
COULD MORE EASILY GET THERE AND
COULD WALK THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW,
SAFE RECOVERY HAS CLIENTS THAT
ARE ATTORNEYS, DOCTORS.
YOU KNOW, IT REALLY IS NOT JUST
FOR THE HOMELESS POPULATION.
OBVIOUSLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
THOSE ARE OUR BIGGER TARGET
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REACHING THEM
CURRENTLY AND THIS WOULD BE A
WAY TO GET THEM INTO THE DOORS,
GET THEM SERVICES, AND
HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER
THEY CONTINUE TO INJECT OR NOT,
WE ARE GETTING THEM THE SERVICES
THAT THEY'RE NOT OTHERWISE
GETTING.
>> Darren: IF LAWMAKERS IN
VERMONT SAY YES TO THIS, WHAT
ABOUT FEDERAL CONSEQUENCES?
>> George: THAT WILL ALWAYS BE A
RISK, YOU KNOW, AND ISN'T THE
SAME THING WITH ALL THE STATES
LEGALIZING MARIJUANA.
IT IS STILL FEDERALLY PROHIBITED
AND IT STILL WOULD BE WHETHER OR
NOT THE U.S. ATTORNEY IS GOING
TO COME IN AND PROSECUTE THOSE
INDIVIDUALS FOR LIKELY
MISDEMEANOR OFFENSES, I GUESS IS
HER CALL AND IT IS A RISK THAT
WE'LL TAKE, BUT I CERTAINLY
DON'T -- THAT IS NOT FOR ME A
REASON NOT TO DO IT.
>> Darren: WHAT DO YOU IT THIS
LIKELIHOOD OF LAWMAKERS SAYING
YES TO IN THIS COMING
LEGISLATIVE SESSION, OR IS THIS
REALLY JUST TO GET THE
DISCUSSION GOING?
>> George: WELL, I MEAN, TO BE
HONEST, THIS PART OF IT IS ALL
VERY NEW FOR ME.
I'M NEW TO POLITICS AND NOW THIS
ALL PROCEEDS STEP BY STEP IN THE
PROCESS.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'M
PERSONALLY GOING TO BE EXTREMELY
INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
SO I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT IF
LAWMAKERS REALLY DO THEIR
HOMEWORK AND READ THE REPORT AND
DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH IF THEY
WANT TO, LIKE I'VE SAID
A MILLION TIMES, IT'S SOMETHING
THAT ONCE YOU DO THAT RESEARCH,
IT'S HARD TO IGNORE THAT THEY
WORK.
>> Darren: ANY CONCERNS BROUGHT
UP BY THE REPORT IN IMPLEMENTING
SOMETHING LIKE THIS?
>> George: NO.
I MEAN, THERE REALLY -- WHEN WE
FIRST MET, IT REALLY WAS, -THERE
WAS A LOT OF KIND OF CONCERNS
THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND
THE MORE WE DID RESEARCH AND
LOOKED AT DATA THAT HAS ALREADY
BEEN DONE ON THE SITES THAT
EXIST WORLDWIDE, ALL OF THOSE
CONCERNS WERE DEBUNKED.
>> Darren: IT'S SUCH A GREAT
IDEA, THEN WHY AROUND MORE
MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
JUMPING ON BOARD TO SAY, HEY,
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, LET ME GET
INVOLVED?
>> George: I THINK A LOT OF IT
IS NOT UNDERSTANDING THEM AND
NOT DOING THE RESEARCH TO FIND
OUT WHETHER THEY'RE A GOOD IDEA
OR NOT.
>> Darren: THE GOVERNOR SAYING
NO.
YOU HEARD FROM THE HEALTH
COMMISSIONER SAYING WE DON'T YET
HAVE A POSITION ON THEM.
ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE HEALTH
DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW
THEY MIGHT GET INVOLVED IN
SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND TO MAYBE
SHIFT OPINION OR PUT THEM OVER
THE FENCE THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY
SITTING ON?
>> George: YEAH, I MEAN, FOR ME,
LIKE THIS MORNING, WE HAD A TWO
AND A HALF HOUR MEETING IN
BURLINGTON AND WE DO MONTHLY,
AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH IS
THERE AND THE UVM MEDICAL CENTER
AS PART OF THAT AND WE WERE
TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE, THE
COSTS THAT THIS EPIDEMIC IS
COSTING THE STATE FOR MEDICAL
PRERS THAT ARE HAVING TO BE --
MEDICAL PROCEDURES THAT ARE
HAVING TO BE DONE AND IT SEEM TO
ME THAT EVERY POINT THAT WAS
BROUGHT UP BY EITHER OF THEM
WERE EXACTLY THE REASON WE NEED
SAFE CONSUMPTION SITES.
NO, I HAVE NOT SAT DOWN WITH
DR. LEVINE AND REALLY TALKED TO
HIM ABOUT THIS.
I PLAN ON DOING THAT AND I HOPE
TO DO THAT BY JANUARY WHEN
THIS -- WHEN THE LEGISLATIVE
SESSION IS STARTING.
FOR ME, THE COMMISSION PART OF
IT WAS JUST FINDING OUT WHETHER
I WAS GOING TO SUPPORT IT, AND
NOW THAT I'VE DECIDED I
ABSOLUTELY AM, MY NEXT STEP IS
NOW TO EDUCATE OTHER PEOPLE THAT
I THINK SHOULD BE ON BOARD.
>> Darren: WHY?
WHY TAKE THIS INITIATIVE TO EVEN
FIND OUT IF THIS WAS SOMETHING
THAT YOU COULD GET ON BOARD
WITH?
>> George: BECAUSE WHEN I GOT
APPOINTED AS STATE'S ATTORNEY, I
MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE
OPIOID EPIDEMIC WAS ONE OF MY
PRIORITIES AND I STARTED TALKING
TO A LOT OF PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT
THAT MEANT AND WHAT WE COULD DO.
AND I JUST STARTED TO FEEL LIKE
WE DO A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT IT
AND WE'RE NOT DOING A LOT OF
DOING, AND NOT ENTIRELY -- THERE
ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING REALLY
GREAT STUFF, BUT EVERY TIME IT
BECOMES A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE,
PEOPLE BACK AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE
THEY'RE AFRAID OF THE
CONSEQUENCES, AND FOR ME, I'M
NEW TO POLITICS AND NEW TO THIS
POSITION, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT
TO LOSE.
I WOULD RATHER KNOW THAT I'M OUT
THERE DOING THE RIGHT THING TO
SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES THAN WORRY
ABOUT IF IT'S GOING TO LOSE ME
VOTES.
>> Darren: CHITTENDEN COUNTY
STATE'S ATTORNEY SARAH GEORGE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> George: THANK YOU.
>> Darren: WE END THIS MORNING
WITH A STORY SOME OF YOU ASKED
TO SEE AGAIN A STORY ABOUT A
JERKY TURKEY, A MISBEHAVING BIRD
IN CALEDONIA COUNTY IS LUCKY HE
WASN'T ON THE THANKSGIVING DAY
MENU.
>> WHEN I WALK UP IN THE WOODS
AND EVERYTHING --
>> Reporter: DAN ELLER THOUGHT
HE FOUND THE PERFECT SET ONLINE.
NOT A DOG OR CAT.
>> I WANTED ME A TURKEY.
>> Reporter: HE LOVES BIRDS, SO
HE TROPHY THREE HOURS TO
MASSACHUSETTS TO PICK UP HIS NEW
FEATHERED FRIEND.
>> THERE'S MY BUDDY.
>> Reporter: IT DIDN'T TAKE LONG
TO LEARN THIS WAS NO TERRIFIC
TOM.
>> HE WAS GOING AFTER MY
PONYTAIL, HE TOOK MY HAT OFF A
COUPLE TIMES.
>> Reporter: THE BIRD BROKE OUT
OF HIS CAGE AND WENT ON THE
ATTACK WITH DAN BEHIND THE
WHEEL.
>> IT MUST HAVE BEEN PRETTY
FUNNY FOR THEM TO SEE A TURKEY
ATTACKING A PERSON DRIVING.
>> Reporter: STILL, HE DIDN'T
TURN AROUND.
HE KEPT HEADING NORTH TO HIS
FAMILY'S HOME IN BARNETT.
>> I HAD TO RUN UP THE COUPLE
LITTLE STAIRS UP THE HOUSE WITH
HIM JUMPING ON THE BACK OF ME.
>> Reporter: HIS WIFE JENNIFER
NOT IMPRESSED WITH THE FAMILY'S
NEW ADDITION.
>> IT WAS A WORKOUT EVERY TIME
GOING TO WORK.
I HAD TO RUN TO MY CAR SO HE
WOULDN'T GET ME I. HE'S A GOOD
TURKEY.
>> Reporter: HE TRIED EVERYTHING
TO CHEER HIM UP.
THEY EVEN GOT THE BIRD A
BOYFRIEND.
SHE'S NICE, IT DIDN'T HELP.
>> HE'S A VERY AGGRESSIVE
TURKEY.
>> Reporter: AND HIS NAME?
>> MY SON NAMED HIM FROM SOUTH
PARK BECAUSE KENNY ALWAYS DIED.
>> Reporter: DAN AND JENNIFER'S
SON ISN'T A FAN OF THE MEAN
TURKEY.
NOW KENNY IS FOR SALE.
THE COUPLE TOOK OUT AN AD ON
CRAIGSLIST.
FOR 50 BUCKS, YOU TOO CAN OWN
THE GROUCHY GOBBLER UNDER ONE
CONDITION.
>> YOU CAN'T EAT HIM.
HE'S NOT FOOD.
>> Reporter: YOU PARDON KENNY'S
CHARACTER AND PARDON HIM TOO.
THEY WANT THE BIRD WITH A BIT OF
ATTITUDE TO LIVE A LONG LIFE,
JUST SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> HE'LL NEVER WIND UP ON THE
TABLE.
>> Reporter: PERHAPS A GUARD
TURKEY.
EVEN THE POSTAL CARRIER REFUSES
TO GET OUT OF THE CAR HERE AND
WE, TOO, GOT CHASED OFF THE
PROPERTY.
KENNY'S WAY OF TELLING US TO HIT
THE ROAD.
IN BARNETT, DARREN PERRON,
CHANNEL THREE NEWS.
>> Darren: AND THAT WILL DO IT
FOR US.
TAKE CARE, EVERYBODY.
HAVE A GOOD DAY.
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