YCQM: Jan. 21, 2018

BURLINGTON, Vt. >> RIGHT NOW ON "YOU CAN QUOTE
ME," WAS IT JUSTIFIED?
OUR LEGAL EXPERT REVIEWED THE
VIDEO.
WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT POLICE
KILLING A ROBBERY SUSPECT IN
MONTPELIER.
MORE MONEY, STATE REVENUES
COULD BE BETTER THAN EXPECTED.
WE'LL TELL YOU WHY.
DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT,
WINOOSKI'S BIG PLANS, BUT WHAT
ABOUT STOREFRONTS THAT ARE
STILL EMPTY?
WE ASK THE CITY MANAGER.
PLUS, VERMONT'S PRISONERS IN
ONE PLACE.
THE PROPOSAL TO BUILD A HUGE
CORRECTIONS COMPLEX IN
NORTHWEST VERMONT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS
MORNING.
OUR POLITICAL REPORTER
NEAL GOSWAMI TELLS US ABOUT
THE COMPLEX, WHICH IS PART OF
A TEN-YEAR PLAN.
>> IT'S NOT PUT OUT THERE TO
BE PROVOCATIVE, IT'S PUT OUT
THERE TO SAY THIS IS A REAL
BUSINESS EXAMINATION, AND HOW
DO YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU
FEEL ABOUT IT.
>> HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY
CREATED THE FORWARD-LOOKING
REPORT THAT AIMS TO ADDRESS
THE STATE'S MENTAL HEALTH
CHALLENGES.
THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES A
MULTI-FACETTED FACILITY IN
FRANKLIN COUNTY OVER THE NEXT
TEN YEARS.
PRISON BEDS ACCOUNT FOR MOST
OF THE SPACE.
175 BEDS FOR WOMEN; 457 FOR
MEN, AND 120 FOR FEDERAL
PRISONERS.
THE CAMPUS WOULD ALSO HAVE 50
MENTAL HEALTH BEDS FOR
PATIENTS WITH CRITICAL NEEDS.
>> OUR PROPOSAL SAYS, HEY,
LET'S START DOING SOMETHING
EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS SO THAT
WE CAN GET TO THIS END VISION.
>> WITHOUT ADDING THIS
FACILITY, THE STATE WOULD
SPEND $3.35 BILLION IN THE
NEXT 20 YEARS.
THE REPORT SAYS THE STATE
COULD SAVE $100 MILLION BY
ADDING IT, AND CLOSING PRISONS
IN ST. ALBANS AND SOUTH
BURLINGTON.
A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY
FOR LESS MONEY.
>> I THINK THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT AND POWERFUL, AND TO
BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR LESS
MONEY IS A GOOD IDEA.
>> BUILDING THE NEW PRISON AND
MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY WOULD
COST $160 MILLION.
A PRIVATE COMPANY WOULD PAY
FOR CONSTRUCTION, THEN LEASE
IT TO THE STATE FOR 20 YEARS.
WHEN THE LEASE ENDS, THE STATE
OWNS IT.
>> I WOULDN'T HANG MY HAT ON
THAT NUMBER YET.
IT IS A REALLY GOOD ESTIMATE.
BUT WITHOUT CONSTRUCTION
DOCUMENTS AND ALL THAT STUFF,
IT'S, YOU KNOW, STILL A
HYPOTHESIS.
>> STATE EMPLOYEES WOULD STAFF
THE SPACE.
ONE KEY LAWMAKER ISN'T SOLD ON
THE GRAND PLAN.
SENATOR DICK SPEARS SAYS ANY
NEW CORRECTIONS FACILITY
SHOULD BE FOR PRETRIAL
DETAINEES, BUT HE AGREES WE
NEED MORE MENTAL HEALTH BEDS.
>> I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT
MUCH CHOICE TO MOVE FORWARD ON
A MENTAL HEALTH PROJECT.
WE ARE IN A CRISIS POINT.
>> ALSO, AGAINST THE PROPOSAL
IS THE VERMONT STATE EMPLOYEES
ASSOCIATION AND TO TELL US WHY
THE UNION OPPOSES THE PLAN,
I'M JOINED NOW BY THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
VSEA, STEVE HOWARD.
GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS.
WHY IS THE VSEU OPPOSED TO
THIS.
>> THEY HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS
ABOUT ENTERING INTO AN
AGREEMENT WITH THE PRIVATE
PRISON COMPANY FOR A VARIETY
OF REASONS.
ONE IS THEY HAVE A DUBIOUS
TRACK RECORD.
THEY ARE NOTORIOUS FOR
SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO FILL
PRISON CELLS.
THAT'S JUST NOT THE WAY
VERMONT HAS OPERATED ITS
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, IT IS
NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT
SENATOR SPEARS OR ANY OF THE
LEGISLATORS HAVE TRIED TO
PURSUE THE LAST FEW YEARS OR
WHAT OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS
TRIED TO PURSUE.
SO THAT IS A SERIOUS CONCERN.
WE DON'T THINK THE PRIVATE
PRISON INDUSTRY IS TO BE
TRUSTED, AND WE DON'T THINK
VERMONT SHOULD MAKE A DEAL
WITH THEM.
>> YOU THINK THIS IS, THEN,
TOO BIG OF A PROJECT, DO YOU
THINK THE SCALE OF THIS IS TOO
BIG?
>> I THINK IT IS A LEGITIMATE
QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, VERMONT HAS
TRADITIONALLY TRIED TO KEEP
ITS CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM
APPROPRIATE TO THE SIZE OF OUR
STATE AND REGIONALY LOCATED SO
THAT FOLKS CAN BE CLOSE TO
THEIR FAMILY, CLOSE TO THE
COMMUNITY THAT THEY WORK IN.
YOU KNOW, I LISTEN TO A
CORRECTIONAL OFFICER THE OTHER
DAY TALK ABOUT HOW WHEN HE IS
WORKING, HE KNOWS THAT HE'S
GOING TO SEE THAT OFFENDER
SOMEDAY ON THE STREET.
AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO
HIM, THAT HE KNOWS THOSE
OFFENDERS, AND THEY KNOW HIM,
AND IT'S PART OF RESTORATIVE
JUSTICE THAT OUR CORRECTIONAL
OFFICERS REALLY EVERY DAY
WHILE THEY ARE GUARDING
INMATES ARE PART OF.
THIS WOULD BE A MUCH BIGGER,
VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH THAN
VERMONT HAS EVER TAKEN BEFORE.
>> YOU REPRESENT THE
EMPLOYEES.
IS THIS ABOUT JOBS, FEARING
WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO POSITIONS
WITHIN THE CORRECTIONS SYSTEM?
>> WELL, RIGHT.
I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN THIS
BEFORE.
IN THE CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM, WE
HAVE MEDICAL SERVICES THAT
WERE ONCE PROVIDED BY NURSES
WHO ARE VERMONTERS AND WHO
WORK FOR THE STATE OF VERMONT.
THEY ARE NOW PROVIDED BY A
PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, AND THERE
IS A LOT TO BE DESIRED IN THE
SERVICES THAT ARE DELIVERED
THERE.
WE HAVE SEEN HOW THESE DEALS
ARE, WELL, WE WILL JUST OWN
THE BUILDING.
WE ARE JUST GOING TO LEASE THE
BUILDING, AND SLOWLY BUT
SURELY, THEY MAKE THEIR WAY
INTO TAKING OVER THE SERVICES
THAT ARE NOW PROVIDED BY STATE
EMPLOYEES, WHO DO EXCELLENT
JOBS.
WE ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
IT.
I READ AN ARTICLE RECENTLY
ABOUT THE LEGISLATURE IN
TENNESSEE, THAT'S WHERE CORE
CIVIC, THE LARGEST PRIVATE
PRISON COMPANY IS LOCATED.
EVEN IN TENNESSEE, IN THEIR
HOME STATE, THEY ARE RAISING
QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER CORE
CIVIC CAN BE TRUSTED.
WE DON'T THINK IF TENNESSEE
CAN'T TRUST THEM, WE QUESTION
WHY VERMONT WOULD.
>> BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE
PROPOSAL IS CALLING FOR STATE
EMPLOYEES TO WORK AT THIS
FACILITY.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND AS IT SHOULD.
STATE EMPLOYEES ARE DOING AN
EXCELLENT JOB, IN THE PRISONS
ACROSS THE STATE, BUT OUR
CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW,
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE SAYING
NOW.
THE PATTERN OF PRIVATIZATION
HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO GET A FOOT
IN THE DOOR, AND THEN SLOWLY
BUT SURELY TRY TO TAKE MORE
AND MORE SPACE.
SO WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT HERE
IN VERMONT.
WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEE
VERMONTERS' HARD-EARNED TAX
DOLLARS SUPPORTING A PRIVATE
PRISON INDUSTRY, WHICH WE
THINK ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAS
BEEN, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONABLE
IN THEIR BEHAVIOR, AND
CERTAINLY OPERATED IN A WAY
THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH
VERMONT VALUES.
OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL RAN FOR
ATTORNEY GENERAL ON THE
PREMISE OF ENDING VERMONT'S
RELATIONSHIP WITH PRIVATE
PRISONS, AND HE WON BY A LOT
OF VOTES.
SO WE HOPE THAT THAT IS THE
KIND OF DIRECTION WE WILL GO
IN.
WE THINK SENATOR SEARS HAS
SOME GOOD IDEAS AND WE ARE
WILLING TO EXPLORE THOSE.
>> IS THE MENTAL HEALTH
COMPONENT TO THIS ALSO A BIT
OF A RED FLAG, IS THERE ANY
CONCERN THERE, BECAUSE RIGHT
NOW, THERE'S TALK ABOUT
INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH
PATIENTS AT THIS COMPLEX.
>> YOU KNOW, STATE EMPLOYEES
HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH THE
MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IN THE
STATE, AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE
BUILT OUR HOSPITAL IN
BEUERLEIN, THEY HAVE SERIOUS
CONCERNS THIS WAS NOT BIG
ENOUGH, THAT IT WOULDN'T BE
ADEQUATE, AND HAD THEY BEEN
LISTENED TO AT THAT TIME, WE
WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE BACKED UP
IN EMERGENCY ROOMS ALL OVER
THE STATE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE REALLY THE
COLLAPSE OF THE MENTAL HEALTH
SYSTEM THAT WE ARE
EXPERIENCING TODAY.
SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS --
SAYING IS LISTEN TO THE C.
O'S, LISTEN TO THE STATE
EMPLOYEES, WHEN THEY TELL YOU
THAT THIS MAY BE TOO BIG FOR
VERMONT, AND THAT A PRIVATE
PRISON COMPANY ISN'T THE RIGHT
PARTNER TO HAVE, THEN WE HAVE
SOME EXPERIENCE THAT I THINK
PROVES THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT.
>> SO THEN WHAT SHOULD BE
DONE.
SO WE HAVE A MENTAL HEALTHCARE
CRISIS IN THE STATE OF
VERMONT.
WE ARE STILL SHIPPING OUR
PRISONERS OUT OF STATE.
WHAT'S THE SOLUTION, THEN,
WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE?
>> YOU'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF
IDEAS.
I MEAN, SENATOR SEARS HAS
TALKED ABOUT A DETENTION
CENTER SOMEWHERE IN THE CENTER
OF THE STATE THAT WOULD FREE
UP ABOUT 400 BEDS.
YOU HEARD THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
TALK ABOUT BAIL REFORM, AND I
THINK THAT'S A SERIOUS THING
THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD
IDEAS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE
THAT ARE VERMONT-APPROPRIATE.
AND THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF
THEM, I THINK, THAT ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT.
STATE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN THE
VSCA AND STATE EMPLOYEES HAVE
BEEN FIGHTING TO GET INMATES
BACK INTO VERMONT, BECAUSE WE
THINK THE CORRECTIONAL SYSTEM
SHOULD BE BASED ON VERMONT
VALUES.
CORE CIVIC IS IN TENNESSEE.
THE PRIVATE PRISON COMPANIES,
THEY ARE NOT VERMONT.
AND THAT'S A SERIOUS CONCERN
THAT I HOPE LAWMAKERS WILL
TAKE SERIOUSLY.
>> LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT
THE GOVERNOR HAS TO SAY ABOUT
THIS.
>> UTILIZING A DIFFERENT TYPE
OF FUNDING MECHANISM WHERE YOU
PAY AS YOU GO I DON'T THINK IS
A BAD APPROACH.
LEASING TO OWN IS SOMETHING
THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL WHERE
WE BOND NOW OVER A 20-YEAR
PERIOD.
I AM NOT SURE THAT WE ALWAYS
FULLY BAKE IN THE DEBT SERVICE
THIS WAY YOU ARE DOING IT
EVERY SINGLE MONTH, EVERY
SINGLE YEAR ON AN ONGOING
BASIS.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK THERE IS A
LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO
FUND AND FINANCE IT, AND FOR
US, THIS IS REALLY A
DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT'S
MORALLY APPROPRIATE.
BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT
DISCUSSION, I THINK YOU HAVE
TO SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING WE
ARE WILLING TO DO AS A STATE.
YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE SUPPORT
MORE MENTAL HEALTH BEDS, WE
SUPPORT BRINGING VERMONTERS
BACK FROM PENNSYLVANIA.
WE SUPPORT A LOT OF THOSE
REALLY IMPORTANT INITIATIVES,
BUT YOU CAN'T DECIDE TO MAKE A
DEAL WITH AN INDUSTRY AND WITH
A PLAYER THAT HAS SUCH A
QUESTIONABLE BACKGROUND AS
CORE CIVIC AND AS THE PRIVATE
PRISON INDUSTRY, AND THINK
THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE PUT
A CREATIVE PACKAGE ON THE
TABLE THAT THAT JUSTIFIES
MAKING THAT LEAP FROM A VALUES
PERSPECTIVE.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE CONCERN
THAT STATE EMPLOYEES HAVE.
THIS IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH
VERMONT'S VALUES.
>> SOMETHING WILL CERTAINLY BE
FOLLOWING.
STEVE HOWARD, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR JOINING ME THIS
MORNING I.
>> THANK YOU.
>> NOW TO THE STATE'S WALLET.
ECONOMISTS SAY VERMONT WILL
COLLECT MILLIONS MORE IN
REVENUE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
IT IS A RESULT OF THE FEDERAL
TAX BILL PRESIDENT TRUMP
RECENTLY SIGNED INTO LAW.
STATE ECONOMISTS UPDATED THE
REVENUE FORECAST.
THEY SAY THE GENERAL FUND WILL
TAKE IN $8.1 MILLION MORE IN
THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR THAN
PREVIOUSLY THOUGHT.
IN FISCAL YEAR 2019, NEARLY 30
MILLION MORE IS EXPECTED.
THE FORECAST COULD CHANGE,
HOWEVER, AS THE TAX LAW IS
BETTER UNDERSTOOD.
AND TO HELP US UNDERSTAND IT
MORE, LET'S GO NOW TO OUR
POLITICAL REPORTER, NEAL
GOSWAMI, IN OUR MONTPELIER
BUREAU.
GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING, DARREN.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS,
NEAL?
>> WELL, IT'S THE FIRST TIME
IN A LONG TIME THAT THE
STATE'S ECONOMISTS HAVEN'T
ISSUED A REVENUE DOWNGRADE, SO
ON ONE HAND, THAT'S BEEN
REALLY POSITIVE NEWS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S ALSO
THE FIRST TIME EVER, I
BELIEVE, THAT THE ECONOMISTS
HAVE ISSUED A PROVISIONAL
FORECAST AND SAID THEY WILL
NEED TO COME BACK IN A FEW
MONTHS TO FURTHER UPDATE STATE
OFFICIAL BECAUSE THEY ARE SO
UNCLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACTS
OF THIS FEDERAL TAX BILL WILL
BE.
SO WE REALLY HAVE SOME MIXED
SIGNALS HERE ON WHAT THAT
HAND.
>> ANY IDEA WHY SO MUCH MONEY
BEING PROJECTED RIGHT NOW,
WHAT DOES THIS TAX CUT DO TO
IMPACT VERMONT COFFERS.
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO SEE THIS
BUMP?
>> SO THAT'S REALLY THE KEY
QUESTION HERE, AND WHERE
PEOPLE ARE REALLY CONFUSED
ABOUT WHY AND WHERE THIS MONEY
IS COMING FROM, IT SOUNDS
GREAT, 8 MILLION MORE FOR THE
REMAINDER, REST OF THE SIX
MONTHS OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, 30
MILLION MORE IN THE NEXT
FISCAL YEAR.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY THAT MEANS
THAT VERMONT TAXPAYERS ARE
GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE.
THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY COMES
FROM.
AND RIGHT NOW, TO THE BEST OF
EVERYONE'S UNDERSTANDING, IT
APPEARS THAT FOLKS WHO EARN
BETWEEN $125,000 AND $500,000
A YEAR ARE GOING TO BE SORT OF
PAYING THE BRUNT OF THIS
ADDITIONAL TAX REVENUE.
SO MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE
IN WASHINGTON, AND HERE IN
MONTPELIER TO UNDERSTAND IT,
BUT THAT'S THEIR BASIC
UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
>> WHAT IS THE GOVERNOR SAYING
ABOUT THIS?
>> WELL, THE GOVERNOR IS
URGING CAUTION.
HE IS SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS
PRELIMINARY INFORMATION.
WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT WE
HAVE 8 MILLION MORE FOR THE
REST OF THIS YEAR, OR THAT
WE'LL SEE 30 MILLION MORE NEXT
YEAR.
SO HE'S URGING LAWMAKERS NOT
TO COUNT ON THIS AS REVENUE AT
THIS POINT, AND TO MOVE
FORWARD, SORT OF AS IF IT'S
NOT GOING TO BE THERE.
THE HOUSE PASSED A BUDGET
ADJUSTMENT THIS WEEK IN WHICH
THEY PUT $5 MILLION INTO
RESERVE, SO THAT SORT OF
FOLLOWS ALONG WITH WHAT THE
GOVERNOR IS SAYING.
THEY ARE SETTING THAT MONEY
ASIDE FOR A RAINY DAY, AND IF
IT DOESN'T MATERIALIZE, THEY
HAVE NOT LOST ANYTHING.
I THINK THAT'S THE APPROACH
MOVING FORWARD, TRYING NOT TO
COUNT ON TOO MUCH OF THAT
REVENUE AT THIS POINT AND
REALLY WAITING TO SEE WHAT
PANS OUT.
>> NEAL GOSWAMI IN MONTPELIER,
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COMING UP NEXT, WHAT'S NEW IN
THE NOOSK.
BIG DEVELOPMENT PLANS IN THE
ONION CITY.
THE CITY MANAGER JOINS ME.
AND LATER, A LEGAL EXPERT
WEIGHS IN ON THE
OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING IN
MONTPELIER.
YOU'RE WATCHING CHANNEL 3.
WE'RE BACK IN A MOMENT.
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>>> WHAT'S NEXT FOR WINOOSKI?
SOME BIG CHANGES COULD BE
COMING.
CHANNEL 3'S DOM AMATO GOT A
LOOK AT THE PLANS.
>> DEVELOPMENT IN WINOOSKI IS
HAPPENING FAST.
>> DEVELOPMENT CAN BE
COMPLETELY EXPEDITED IN TERMS
OF PERMITTING PROCESS, SO IN
OTHER COMMUNITIES, IT TAKES
SEVERAL MONTHS, YEARS EVEN.
WE CAN DO IN 30 DAYS.
>> THAT'S THANKS TO A 2016
DECISION TO IMPLEMENT
FORM-BASED CODE FOR THE CITY.
IT'S ALREADY HELPED BRING IN
TWO NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON
MAIN STREET, BOTH COMMERCIAL,
AND RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS ARE
IN THE WORKS FOR EAST ALLEN
STREET AS WELL.
>> THIS IS KIND OF BOTH A CITY
VISION, IT'S ALSO BY
NECESSITY.
WE NEED TO GET THE POWER LINES
AND THE TELECOM INFRASTRUCTURE
UNDERGROUND.
>> WITH A NEW PROJECT
STARTING, THERE ARE CONFLICTS
WITH POWER LINES BEING CLOSE
TO BUSINESS FRONTS.
THAT ALONG WITH COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT HELPED SPARK THE
MAIN STREET REVITALIZATION
PROJECT.
>> WHAT ARE THE DESIGN
ELEMENTS THE COMMUNITY LIKES,
WHAT ARE OUR ASPIRATIONS AS A
COMMUNITY, HOW DO WE WANT OUR
COMMUNITY TO LOOK AND FEEL IN
3, 5, 10, 15 YEARS.
>> RESIDENTS PACKED THE
O'BRIEN COMMUNITY CENTER
WEDNESDAY NIGHT FOR ROUND TWO
OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
NEW SIDEWALKS, STREET TREES,
SAFER, SLOWER ROADS AND MORE
CROSSWALKS ARE PROPOSED IN THE
PLAN.
>> WE WILL BE LOOKING AT TWO
ALTERNATIVES FOR THAT SDIN
ZOO.
HOPEFULLY -- DESIGN.
HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD WITH
WHAT IS THE PRELIMINARY
ENGINEERING REPORT, WHICH
REALLY SETS US UP TO GET ANY
FUTURE FUNDING OR ANY KIND OF
MOVING FORWARD WITH THE
PROJECT.
>> THE BARBERSHOP ON MAIN
STREET BELIEVES THE PROJECT
COULD BENEFIT THEM AND DRIVE
MORE PATRONS TO THEIR
BUSINESS.
>> I THINK THIS PART OF
WINOOSKI IS KIND OF LOST A
LITTLE BIT, A LOT OF THE FOCUS
IS DOWN ON THE CIRCLE.
HOPEFULLY MORE BUSINESSES WILL
COME UP HERE, TOO.
IT IS WAY MORE CONVENIENT.
EASY TO PARK.
PEOPLE LIKE IT.
>> REPORTING IN WINOOSKI,
DOM AMATO, CHANNEL 3 NEWS.
>> JOINING ME NOW, IS THE CITY
MANAGER, JESSE BAKER.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> PLEASURE TO BE HERE, THANK
YOU.
>> SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU FOLKS
ARE HOPING TO MOVE THE
CIRCLE'S SUCCESS UP MAIN
STREET; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
SO THE CITY HAS REALLY BEEN
GOING THROUGH SEVERAL YEARS OF
PLANNING INITIATIVES, AS YOU
HEARD EARLIER, NEW FORM-BASED
CODE ZONING WAS ADOPTED IN
2016.
ADDITIONALLY, LAST YEAR WE
RELEASED A WINOOSKI MASTER
TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO AS A RESULT OF THOSE
VISIONING PROCESSES, WE ARE
REALLY LOOKING TO GET TO THE
NEXT LEVEL OF DOING.
THAT'S PUT SOME SHOVELS IN THE
GROUND, GET SOME OF THESE
PLANS IMPLEMENTED.
>> SO THE CITY IS ONE AND A
HALF SQUARE MILES, BUT IT IS
HOME TO OVER 7,000 RESIDENTS.
IT'S OFTEN CALLED THE BROOKLYN
OF BURLINGTON, I THINK IN
LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE FOOD
AND BAR SCENE, IT'S BECOMING
JEN RI -- GENTRIFIED.
A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE THAN
BURLINGTON, ANYWAY.
DOES THAT EXPRESSION SIT WELL,
AND IS IT TRUE?
>> SO IT IS AN EXPRESSION THAT
WE STRUGGLE WITH.
CLEARLY WE THINK OF OURSELVES
AS COOL AND HIP, WE ARE MUCH
YOUNGER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES
IN VERMONT.
OUR AVERAGE AGE IS ABOUT 30.
WE CERTAINLY EMBRACE THAT
VISION.
HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT JUST IN
COMPARISON TO BURLINGTON, WE
ARE OUR OWN CITY AS WELL.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE
COULD GET PRICED OUT OF
WINOOSKI, GIVEN THE
DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING ON?
>> CERTAINLY THAT IS SOMETHING
OUR CITY COUNCIL IS KEEPING A
CLOSE I'M -- EYE ON AT OUR
MEETING MONDAY NIGHT WE'LL
HAVE AN UPDATE ON JEST RI IF I
INDICATION -- JEST RI IF I
INDICATION REPORT.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS
REVITALIZATION, NOT
GENTRIFICATION.
OUR COUNCIL IS COMMITTED TO
AFFORDABILITY.
WE LOOK FOR WAYS EVERY DAY TO
KEEP OUR TAX RATES LOW, TO
DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO
REALLY ENSURE THAT OUR
SERVICES ARE PROVIDED FOR OUR
ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
>> DOES THE MASTER PLAN
INCLUDE ANY CHANGES TO THE
TRAFFIC CIRCLE, IT IS A
LOVE/HATE THING.
SOME LOVE IT, SOME REALLY HATE
IT.
>> RIGHT.
THE ROTARY, THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE
IS ACTUALLY A VERY EFFECTIVE
TRANSPORTATION TOOL.
ABOUT 40,000 CARS A DAY TRAVEL
THROUGH IT.
WE DID MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS
TWO SUMMERS AGO AND REALLY
IMPROVED THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS
AROUND THE CIRCLE.
NO NEW PLANS ARE PLANNED RIGHT
NOW.
WE ARE USING ROTARY PARK, THE
GREEN SPACE AT THE CENTER OF
THE ROTARY MORE EVERY YEAR FOR
CONCERTS AND FAMILY EVENTS,
REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT A
PLACE NOT JUST A CENTER OF A
TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
>> CERTAINLY A LOT GOING ON.
AND CERTAINLY A LOT OF
SUCCESSFUL BARS AND
RESTAURANTS THERE.
I MEAN, SNEAKERS, MISERY LOVES
COMPANY, WATER WORK, TINY
TIME, JUST TO NAME A FEW.
THEIR SUCCESS IN LARGE PART
THE REASON FOR WINOOSKI'S
SUCCESSOR VICE VERSA?
>> I DON'T THINK ONE CAN CLAIM
FULL CREDIT.
I THINK THEY HAVE REALLY
DEVELOPED IN PARALLEL.
CERTAINLY THE TAX INCREMENT
FINANCING BE DISTRICT THAT HAS
FUNDED A LOT OF THE
REDEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN HAS
HELPED BRING SOME OF THE
LIVELINESS TO THE CITY.
BUT WE COULD NOT DO ANY OF OUR
-- WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING OUR
DEVELOPMENT SUCCESS WITHOUT
OUR GREAT BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE WONDERFUL LOCALLY
OWNED BARS AND RESTAURANTS, AS
YOU MENTIONED, SEVERAL NEW
RETAIL SHOPS, REALLY PROUD OF
OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ENDEAVORING
TO START NEW ENTREPRENEURIAL
BUSINESSES.
>> A LOT OF BUZZ RECENTLY
ABOUT HIGHER GROUND.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY STARTED
IN --
>> WE WANT TO BRING THEM HOME.
>> THEY WANT TO COME HOME BY
THE SOUND OF THINGS.
THEY ARE EYEING RIGHT NOW AN
AREA WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO
THE POLICE STATION, COMING OUT
OF SOUTH BURLINGTON WHERE THEY
ARE LOCATED NOW AT THE OLD KEY
BANK.
WHERE DOES THAT STAND?
>> WE ARE ACTIVELY WORKING
WITH THEM, AND THEIR
DEVELOPMENT PARTNER REDSTONE
TO MAKE THE PROJECT A REALITY.
IT WOULD BE A NEW FOUR-STORY
BUILDING RIGHT AT THAT TOP
LEFT-HAND CORNER OF THE
ROTARY.
IT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE ABOUT
20,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE
SPACE.
THE PARTNERS ARE ALL AT THE
TABLE, FINANCING A LARGE
NEW-SCALE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT
LIKE THAT IS A BIG CHALLENGE,
SO WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH
THEM TO, AS THEY PUT TOGETHER
THEIR SHARED OWNERSHIP
STRUCTURE, PUT TOGETHER THEIR
FINANCING MODELS, WE REALLY
HOPE TO HAVE BIG NEWS ABOUT
THAT PROJECT IN THE NEXT
COUPLE MONTHS.
>> SO WHERE ARE WE AT RIGHT
NOW.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO BACKING
AWAY FROM THIS, THIS IS GOING
TO HAPPEN?
>> PENDING FINANCING, THIS IS
GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WHAT ABOUT PARKING.
I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE
BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING
ALREADY.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF
COMPLAINTS THAT THERE ISN'T
ENOUGH RIGHT NOW.
HOW IS THAT BEING ADDRESSED,
AND WON'T IT GET WORSE IF
THERE'S A CONCERT VENUE THERE?
>> RIGHT.
SO AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, WE
HAVE 912-PARKING GARAGE RIGHT
IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING
ADJACENT TO THE ROTARY.
MOST OF THE CONTRACTS ON THAT
GARAGE ARE FOR OFFICE SPACE
USE, SO THOSE ARE CARS THAT
ARE PARKED THERE DURING THE
DAY.
CONCERTGOERS COME AT NIGHT.
THE WAY URBAN PARKING IS MORE
SUCCESSFUL IS IF THERE ARE
COMPARABLE USES THAT ARE
UTILIZING THE SPACES, PAYING
FOR THE SPACES AND THEREFORE
INVESTING THAT REVENUE TO
MAINTAIN THE GARAGE.
THE GARAGE WILL BE HEALTHIER
FINANCIALLY OVER TIME IF THERE
ARE PEOPLE PARKING DURING THE
DAY AND IN THE EVENING.
SO THOSE RESIDENTS AND
VISITORS COMING TO HIGHER
GROUND IN THE FUTURE WILL PARK
IN THE SAME SPACES THAT ARE
CURRENTLY USED BY THE OFFICE
WORKERS.
OUR PARKING SITE ALSO
INDICATES THAT THE GARAGE IS
ABOUT AT 55% CAPACITY RIGHT
NOW, SO THERE IS QUITE A BIT
OF VACANCY IN THE GARAGE
ALREADY.
FINALLY, THE CONCERT VENUE IS
PROPOSED TO BE 1500 HAD BEEN
-- 1500-SEAT VENUE.
WHEN YOU THINK NOT ALL THOSE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DRIVE IN,
WE ARE HONING A LOT OF PEOPLE
OPT TO TAKE PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION, WALK FROM
WINOOSKI OR BURLINGTON.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE OR
FOUR HUNDRED CARS, NOT ABOUT
1500 NEW CARS INTO THE GARAGE.
>> WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME BAR
OWNERS AS WELL IN WINOOSKI,
SAYING THAT THE WINTER-LONG
PARKING BAN IN WHICH CARS
CAN'T PARK THERE, I THINK IT'S
2:30 IN THE MORNING UNTIL 6:00
IN THE MORNING, IN THE
DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT THAT COULD
HURT THEIR BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE
FOLKS ARE NOT WILLING TO HAVE
A FEW DRINKS AND THEN LEAVE
THEIR CAR AND UBER HOME
BECAUSE IT COULD GET TOWED.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE
LOOKING AT?
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD
CHANGE?
>> SO IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T
CHANGE FOR ON STREET PARKING.
WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARK IN
THE GARAGE.
THERE'S LOTS OF VACANCY,
ESPECIALLY ON NIGHTS AND
WEEKENDS.
WE ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO PARK
IN THE GARAGE, LEAVE THEIR
CARS THERE OVERNIGHT,
ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T WANT
TO DRIVE HOME, WE THINK THAT'S
A GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY-ORIENTED
APPROACH.
>> SURE.
>> BUT THIS IS VERMONT.
IT IS CHALLENGING TO MAINTAIN
PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IN
SNOWSTORMS AND ICE STORMS AND
THE WIND WE'VE SEEN THIS
WINTER.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO
GET THE CARS OFF THE ROAD FOR
A FEW HOURS A DAY SO OUR
PUBLIC WORKS CREWS CAN GO IN
AND MAINTAIN THOSE SPACES AND
ENSURE THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE
FOR THE NEXT DAY, AND WELL
MANICURED, YOU KNOW, WELL
TREATED SO THEY CAN BE
AVAILABLE FOR PARKING DURING
THE DAYTIME AND EVENING HOURS.
>> VERSUS LIKE AN EMERGENCY
BAN LIKE BURLINGTON HAS, WHERE
IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN THE
LIGHTS ARE FLASHING?
>> RIGHT.
SO WE ALSO HAVE AN EMERGENCY
BAN IN THE CITY FOR THE REST
OF THE CITY, BUT FOR THE
DOWNTOWN, AGAIN, IT'S THAT
PINNACLE OF OUR CITY, WE WANT
TO KEEP IT AS PRISTINE AS
POSSIBLE.
WE NEED THAT ACCESS EACH
EVENING.
>> ALL RIGHT.
WHILE WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF
DEVELOPMENT, YOU CAN'T HELP
BUT NOTICE THERE IS A LOT OF
EMPTY STOREFRONTS.
ON ONE SIDE OF THE CIRCLE AND
DOWN SOME OF THAT SIDE STREET
THERE.
WHAT'S THE CITY DOING ABOUT
THAT, AND ANY POTENTIAL
BUSINESSES IN THE PIPELINE?
>> THERE CERTAINLY ARE
BUSINESSES IN THE PIPELINE.
THERE IS ACTUALLY ONLY THREE
VACANT STOREFRONTS ON THE
ROTARY RIGHT NOW, AND TWO OF
THOSE ARE UNDER NEGOTIATION.
SO WE HAVE AN AMAZING
COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT OFFICER IN THE
CITY WHO WORKS VERY CLOSELY
WITH A REALTOR AND THE
REALTORS AND THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY TO TRY AND MAKE
THOSE MATCHES.
WHO WANTS TO COME AND LOCATE
HERE, AND WHAT SPACE IS AVAIL
ABLE.
SO WE ARE REGULARLY IN CONTACT
WITH BUSINESSES AND REALTORS.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SETUP
GOING ON.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE
SOME -- I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO
SEE SOME NEW BUSINESSES
OPENING IN THE NEXT FEW
MONTHS.
>> CAN YOU GIVE ME A HINT AS
TO WHO?
>> I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW
THAT THE FORMER DONNY'S PIZZA
PLACE IS GOING TO BE A NEW
LOUNGE RESTAURANT SPACE AT THE
BOTTOM OF THE ROTARY THERE.
>> AND THE OTHERS?
>> SO THE OTHERS ARE IN THE
WINOOSKI BLOCK, SO THERE ARE
TWO DIFFERENT RETAIL SPACES IN
THE WINOOSKI BLOCK UNDER
FITAP FOR NEW STORES.
>> I LOOK FORWARD TO SHOPPING
AND DINING THERE.
>> WELCOME ANYTIME I. SPITE
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COMING UP NEXT, OUR LEGAL
ANALYST REVIEWS THE VIDEO.
CHANNEL 3 NEWS CAPTURED THE
OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING IN
MONTPELIER.
WHAT OUR EXPERT SAYS ABOUT IT
WHEN WE COME BACK.
>>> WELCOME BACK.
NOW TO THAT DEADLY
OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING AT
MONTPELIER HIGH SCHOOL.
BY NOW MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN
THIS VIDEO OF NATHAN GIFFIN
SLOWLY ADVANCING ON POLICE
WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE A
HANDGUN.
AFTER THE FATAL SHOTS WERE
FIRED, INVESTIGATORS TOOK A
CLOSER LOOK AT THE SUSPECT'S
WEAPON AND DISCOVERED IT WAS A
BB GUN.
STATE POLICE RELEASED THE
NAMES OF THE NINE OFFICERS WHO
OPENED FIRE.
YOU SEE ALL BUT ONE OF THEM ON
YOUR SCREEN.
AN INVESTIGATION INTO THEIR
DECISION TO SHOOT IS NOW
UNDERWAY.
IT'S TYPICAL PROTOCOL OF AN
OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING.
THEIR USE OF DEADLY FORCE WILL
BE REVIEWED BY THE WASHINGTON
COUNTY STATE'S ATTORNEY, AND
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
THIS MORNING A FORMER FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR WEIGHS IN ON THE
MOMENT POLICE DECIDED TO FIRE.
TYLER DUMONT SITS DOWN WITH
CHANNEL 3'S LEGAL ANALYST
JERRY O'NEILL.
>> DID HE BRING THE GUN UP.
THAT'S THE DANGEROUS PART.
HE IS SWINGING IT AROUND AS IF
HE'S GOING TO POINT IT AT
SOMEONE.
>> WHAT DOES THE BODY LANGUAGE
SAY?
>> HE'S NOT SURE WHAT HE WANTS
TO DO, SWINGING THE GUN
AROUND, NOT REALLY BRINGING IT
UP AND POINTING IT DIRECTLY
AND HOLDING IT THERE.
RATHER, SWINGING IT AROUND,
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE
WANTS TO DO, BUT HE'S HOLDING
ON TIGHT TO THAT GUN.
STARTS WALKING TOWARD THEM
WHICH IS DANGEROUS.
TAKES HIS FOOT OFF AS IF HE'S
ABOUT TO TAKE SOME ACTION.
HE IS MOVING THE PISTOL AROUND
AS IF HE'S GOING TO DO
SOMETHING WITH IT.
WHICH WE'RE VALUATING THE
SITUATION WHETHER OR NOT --
WE'RE EVALUATING WHETHER THE
POLICE HAD AN OBJECTIVELY
REASONABLE BASIS TO BELIEVE
THEY OR SOMEONE ELSE WERE IN
DANGER OF DEATH OR SERIOUS
INJURY.
>> IS IT IN THAT MOMENT WHEN
THEY FIRE?
>> IT IS PRECISELY THE MOMENT
THEY FIRE.
(GUNFIRE ]
>> HE WASN'T DOING ANYTHING AT
THE MOMENT OBJECTIVELY THAT WE
COULD SEE.
(GUNFIRE ]
>> BUT HIS CONDUCT AT THAT
MOMENT WHEN THEY FIRED THE
SHOTS WASN'T ANY DIFFERENT
THAN IT HAD BEEN FOR QUITE A
WHILE.
>> HOW COULD THAT CHANGE THE
REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE STATE'S
ATTORNEY.
OFTEN, YOU KNOW, AS YOU JUST
SAID, WE'RE JUST GETTING A
STATEMENT FROM THESE POLICE
OFFICERS ABOUT THEIR MOMENT TO
FIRE, THAT ONE-SIDED ACCOUNT.
HOW DOES A VIDEO CHANGE
THINGS?
>> THE VIDEO IS SOMEWHAT
OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.
>> HOW MUCH DO WORDS WEIGH
WITH ACTIONS?
>> IT IS THE COMBINATION.
I MEAN, IF HE'S SAYING I AM
GOING TO COME UP TOWARD YOU
AND SHOOT AND KILL SOMEONE OF
YOU, THAT'S A SITUATION WHICH
WOULD PROBABLY GIVE RISE TO AN
OBJECTIVE BELIEF WE HAVE TO
STOP HIM BEFORE HE SNAPS IT UP
AND SHOOTS.
IF ON THE OTHER HAND HE'S JUST
WALKING ALONG AND HOLDING IT
DOWN LOW AND NOT SAYING
ANYTHING TO THEM, THAT CASE IT
CHANGES THE SITUATION, YOU
HAVE TO WONDER WHETHER IT WAS
NECESSARY OR NOT.
>> AND CHANNEL 3 NEWS WILL
CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THIS STORY.
THAT WILL DO IT FOR "YOU CAN
QUOTE ME."
THE NEWS CONTINUES NEXT ON
"THE WEEKEND."
SEE YOU SOON.
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