YCQM: October 22, 2017

BURLINGTON, Vt. (WCAX) "YOU CAN QUOTE ME."00:01:24
>> Darren: GOOD MORNING,00:01:25
EVERYONE.00:01:28
I’M DARREN PERRON.00:01:31
RIGHT NOW A "YOU CAN QUOTE ME,"00:01:33
MORE AND MORE WOMEN SAYING00:01:34
#MeToo.00:01:35
WHAT WE’VE LEARNED ABOUT00:01:37
VERMONTERS JOINING THE NATIONAL00:01:41
MOVEMENT TO STOP SEX HARASSMENT.00:01:42
A ONE-ON-ONE INTERVIEW WITH00:01:43
CHITTENDEN COUNTY STATEMENT00:01:44
SARAH GEORGE AND ALSO AN00:01:45
INVESTIGATION BY 60 MINUTES00:01:48
FOUND THAT A NEW LAW WEAKENS THE00:01:51
DEA, HELPING TO FUEL THE OPIOID00:01:53
EPIDEMIC, AND THAT’S WHERE WE00:01:54
BEGIN THIS MORNING.00:01:56
THE DRUG INDUSTRY FINDS A WAY TO00:01:58
PUMP MORE PAIN KILLERS TO00:02:00
COMMUNITIES, GETTING MORE PEOPLE00:02:02
ADDICTED AT THE HEIGHT OF THE00:02:03
OPIOID CRISIS.00:02:06
THAT’S WHAT A NEW INVESTIGATION00:02:06
REVEALED.00:02:09
THE DRUG INDUSTRY ALLEGEDLY00:02:11
LOBBIED THE DEA AND CONGRESS TO00:02:13
WEAKEN ENFORCEMENT AND IT00:02:15
REPORTEDLY WORKED THROUGH A LAW00:02:17
SUPPORTED BY ALL OF CONGRESS,00:02:20
INCLUDING OUR OWN DELEGATION.00:02:21
REPRESENTATIVE PETER WELCH00:02:22
COSPONSORED THE BILL.00:02:25
HE DID SO AT THE URGING OF A00:02:27
VERMONT COMPANY LOOKING FOR HELP00:02:28
IN GETTING NECESSARY DRUGS TO00:02:29
SICK PEOPLE.00:02:31
BUT IN THE WAKE OF THE 6000:02:34
MINUTES INVESTIGATION, HE’S NOW00:02:35
CALLING FOR AN INVESTIGATION,00:02:36
TOO.00:02:37
HERE’S MY CONVERSATION WITH THE00:02:40
CONGRESSMAN.00:02:41
THIS INVESTIGATION BY 60 MINUTES00:02:43
BASICALLY REVEALED THAT THE DRUG00:02:44
INDUSTRY PUMPED OPIOIDS INTO00:02:48
U.S. COMMUNITIES, KNOWING THAT00:02:49
PEOPLE WERE DYING AND THE00:02:50
INDUSTRY LOBBYIST AND CONGRESS00:02:52
DERAILED THE DEA’S EFFORTS TO00:02:53
STOP IT.00:02:54
WHAT’S GOING ON HERE?00:02:56
>> Welch: WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE00:02:57
AN INVESTIGATION JUST TO GET TO00:02:58
THE BOTTOM OF THIS BECAUSE THE00:03:00
LAW IN QUESTION, I GOT INVOLVED00:03:03
IN THAT BECAUSE OF A LOCAL00:03:05
COMPANY, BURLINGTON DRUG, WHICH00:03:07
HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SECURE00:03:09
SCHEDULE ONE DRUGS AND MAKE SURE00:03:12
THEY’RE DELIVERED ACCORDING TO00:03:13
PRESCRIPTION TO PEOPLE LIKE00:03:15
CANCER PATIENTS WHO NEED00:03:17
LEGITIMATE USE OF PAIN00:03:18
MEDICATION.00:03:20
AND THE QUESTION HERE IS WAS THE00:03:23
LAW SOMETHING THAT’S GOING TO00:03:23
INTERFERE WITH STOPPING00:03:25
DIVERSION OR IS IT GOING TO00:03:27
ASSIST IN THE DELIVERY OF00:03:29
PRESCRIBED MEDICATIONS?00:03:31
AND THIS INVESTIGATION IS VERY00:03:33
ALARMING, WHAT IT’S SAYING, SO00:03:36
THIS LAW PASSED CONGRESS00:03:36
UNANIMOUSLY.00:03:38
IT WAS NON-CONTROVERSIAL.00:03:39
THE DEA ACTUALLY AND THE OBAMA00:03:40
ADMINISTRATION WAS SOMEWHAT00:03:42
INVOLVED IN THE WRITING OF IT,00:03:44
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT APPROVED IT00:03:45
AND PRESIDENT SIGNED IT.00:03:46
BUT THE QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT I00:03:48
THIS REPORT REALLY DO REQUIRE AN00:03:50
INVESTIGATION AND IF WE HAVE TO00:03:52
CHANGE THIS LAW OR REPEAL THIS00:03:54
LAW, THEN WE SHOULD ACT00:03:54
PROMPTLY.00:03:56
>> Darren: ONE OF THE CRITICAL00:03:59
POINTS IN THE 60 MINUTES00:04:00
INVESTIGATION THAT THE DRUG00:04:02
INDUSTRY LOBBIED LAWMAKERS TO00:04:05
GET THE BILL PASSED, AND THAT00:04:06
WOULD WEAKEN THE DEA, THE AGENCY00:04:09
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE00:04:11
WATCHDOG OVER THE PHARMACEUTICAL00:04:11
INDUSTRY.00:04:15
YOU SUPPORTED THAT BILL.00:04:15
>> Welch: THAT’S CORRECT.00:04:16
>> Darren: WHY?00:04:17
>> Welch: I DID.00:04:18
MY INVOLVEMENT WAS THROUGH00:04:21
BURLINGTON DRUG AND YOU’VE GOT A00:04:22
COMPANY THAT HAS 55 EMPLOYEES,00:04:24
THAT HAD A TREMENDOUS RECORD00:04:26
WITH THE DEA, NO ENFORCEMENT00:04:28
ACTION, AND THEY HAVE THE00:04:30
RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THAT00:04:32
PRESCRIBED DRUG FROM THE SECURE00:04:34
FACILITY TO PHARMACIES ALL00:04:35
AROUND VERMONT FOR PATIENTS TO00:04:37
RECEIVE THE PROPER PRESCRIPTION.00:04:39
AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WAS00:04:41
THERE WAS SOME AMBIGUITY IN THE00:04:42
LAW AND THAT’S CERTAINLY THE00:04:43
BASIS UPON WHICH PEOPLE LIKE ME00:04:45
AND OTHERS IN CONGRESS WERE00:04:45
OPERATING.00:04:48
AS TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE00:04:49
AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE00:04:51
LEGAL DISTRIBUTORS, THE ONES00:04:52
THAT WERE DOING GOOD THINGS, NOT00:04:54
THOSE FOLKS DOWN IN WEST00:04:57
VIRGINIA OR IN SOUTHERN FLORIDA.00:04:59
SO THE HOPE OF THIS LEGISLATION00:05:02
WAS TO GIVE CLARITY TO THE00:05:03
LEGITIMATE DISTRIBUTOR LIKE A00:05:05
BURLINGTON DRUG AND THEY’D BE00:05:08
ABLE TO CONFIDENTLY MAKE THESE00:05:10
PRESCRIPTIONS AVAILABLE TO ONES00:05:12
THAT WERE LEGITIMATE FOR00:05:12
PATIENTS.00:05:14
>> Darren: DO YOU GET CAMPAIGN00:05:15
CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE00:05:16
PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY?00:05:17
>> Welch: I HAVE.00:05:18
I HAVE HAD SOME AND ONE OF THE00:05:19
GOOD THINGS ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN00:05:20
FINANCE LAW THAT IS ALL OF THOSE00:05:22
ARE DISCLOSED, SO ANYBODY CAN00:05:24
RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE00:05:24
MOTIVATION WAS.00:05:27
MY MOTIVATION WAS TO TRY TO00:05:29
PROVIDE CLARIFICATION AND IT WAS00:05:31
AT THE REQUEST OF BURLINGTON00:05:33
DRUG, WHICH AS I SAID, I DID THE00:05:36
DUE DILIGENCE ON IT AND IT WAS A00:05:38
TREMENDOUS COMPANY AND NO FDA --00:05:40
OR DEA VIOLATIONS WHATSOEVER.00:05:42
>> Darren: SO THAT HAD NO00:05:43
INFLUENCE ON YOUR VOTE?00:05:45
>> Welch: IT DID NOT.00:05:47
IT DID NOT, BUT PHARMA DOES HAVE00:05:48
A BIG INFLUENCE AND THE CAMPAIGN00:05:50
FINANCE SYSTEM HAS TO BE00:05:50
CHANGED.00:05:51
THAT’S REALLY ONE OF THE REASONS00:05:52
I SUPPORT A CONSTITUTIONAL00:05:54
AMENDMENT TO OVERTURN CITIZENS00:05:56
UNITED AND IT’S THE REASON WHY,00:05:59
FRANKLY, I THINK IF WE HAD00:06:01
PUBLIC FINANCING, THERE WOULD BE00:06:02
MORE CONFIDENCE IN THE ELECTORAL00:06:02
SYSTEM.00:06:03
>> Darren: YOU MENTIONED THE00:06:05
UNANIMOUS VOTE AND THIS REALLY00:06:09
HAD DEA SUPPORT WORKING WITH00:06:11
JUDICIARY ON THIS LAW.00:06:13
BUT WHAT’S INTERESTING HERE, OR00:06:15
FRANKLY, ALARMING, IS THAT THE00:06:19
REPORT INDICATED THAT NUMEROUS00:06:21
DEA OFFICIALS JUMPED SHIP AFTER00:06:23
THIS LAW WENT INTO EFFECT TO00:06:25
THEN WORK FOR THE DRUG INDUSTRY.00:06:26
THIS SEEMS FISHY TO ME.00:06:27
>> Welch: WELL, IT DOES, AND00:06:29
THAT’S WHY I THINK WE HAVE TO00:06:30
HAVE AN INVESTIGATION.00:06:33
I MEAN, MY DEAL IS WE SHOULD GET00:06:35
THE DEA IN, WE SHOULD ADDRESS00:06:37
THIS QUESTION OF THE REVOLVING00:06:38
DOOR.00:06:39
IF THERE’S ANYTHING UNTOWARD00:06:40
THERE, WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION ON00:06:41
IT COMPLETELY.00:06:44
I MEAN, THERE’S TWO THINGS.00:06:45
NUMBER ONE, DO WE NEED TO CHANGE00:06:48
THIS LAW, DO WE NEED TO REPEAL00:06:48
THIS LAW?00:06:50
BECAUSE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO00:06:51
STOP ILLICIT OPIOID USE, WE WANT00:06:52
TO DO.00:06:55
THE SECOND IS, DID ANYBODY00:06:57
ANYTIME -- NOT JUST IN RESPONSE00:06:58
TO THIS LAW, DO ANYTHING00:07:00
ILLEGAL, WHETHER WITHIN THE DEA00:07:02
OR OUTSIDE, DOCTORS RUNNING00:07:03
THESE PILL MILLS IN WEST00:07:05
VIRGINIA AND FLORIDA, THOSE00:07:07
FOLKS OUGHT TO GO TO JAIL.00:07:09
>> Darren: WERE YOU MISLED?00:07:10
>> Welch: WELL, WE’LL SEE ON THE00:07:11
INVESTIGATION.00:07:13
I DID MY INQUIRY WITH THE DEA,00:07:14
WITH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT00:07:15
SIGNING OFF ON THIS AND00:07:17
PRESIDENT OBAMA SIGNED THIS, AND00:07:21
IT HAD THE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT IN00:07:21
CONGRESS.00:07:25
SO THIS REPORT FROM CBS AND THE00:07:26
WASHINGTON POST RAISES QUESTIONS00:07:28
THAT I THINK THE OBLIGATION OF00:07:30
CONGRESS AND MY OBLIGATION IS TO00:07:33
GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT WITH AN00:07:33
INVESTIGATION.00:07:34
>> Darren: DO YOU REGRET00:07:35
SUPPORTING THE BILL?00:07:37
>> Welch: NO, I OPERATED ON THE00:07:38
INFORMATION THAT I HAD AND WE’VE00:07:40
GOT TO FIND OUT WHAT’S THE RIGHT00:07:40
STORY HERE.00:07:44
WE’VE GOT A CHALLENGE, ALL00:07:44
RIGHT?00:07:46
OPIOIDS -- EXCESSIVE USE OF00:07:48
OPIOIDS IS A HUGE SCOURGE, BUT00:07:50
THE PROPER DELIVERY OF PAIN00:07:52
RELIEF MEDICATION TO FOLKS WHO00:07:55
HAVE CANCER OR SERIOUS MEDICAL00:07:56
CONDITIONS, WE’VE GOT TO MAKE00:07:57
CERTAIN THAT THEY CAN GET ACCESS00:07:59
TO WHAT THEY NEED.00:08:01
>> Darren: YOU MENTIONED WHETHER00:08:02
OR NOT THIS COULD BE POSSIBLY00:08:02
REPEALED.00:08:04
IS THAT THE NEXT STEP HERE?00:08:06
WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD HAPPEN?00:08:08
>> Welch: WHAT I THINK SHOULD00:08:09
HAPPEN’S THAT THE COMMERCE00:08:10
COMMITTEE I SERVE ON SHOULD HAVE00:08:11
AN INVESTIGATION.00:08:13
I THINK WE SHOULD BRING IN THE00:08:14
DEA, BRING IN THE WHISTLEBLOWERS00:08:18
AND GET A FACTUAL REPORT ABOUT00:08:19
TWO THINGS.00:08:21
ONE, SHOULD WE CHANGE THE LAW OR00:08:22
REPEAL IT?00:08:25
AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT HAPPENS?00:08:26
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY,00:08:29
PEOPLE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT’S GOING00:08:30
ON HERE.00:08:32
>> Darren: WAS ENOUGH THOUGHTFUL00:08:35
DEBATE GIVEN TO THIS OR WAS IT00:08:38
SORT OF JUST PUSHED THROUGH00:08:39
BECAUSE OF THE DEA SUPPORT?00:08:41
>> Welch: I THINK THE DEA00:08:42
SUPPORT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE00:08:43
BECAUSE IF YUF GOT THE00:08:45
ENFORCEMENT -- YOU’VE GOT THE00:08:47
ENFORCEMENT AGENCY SAYING IT’S00:08:48
OKAY OR NOT HAVING ANY00:08:50
OBJECTIONS TO IT, I THINK A LOT00:08:53
OF MEMBERS WOULD TAKE THAT AS A00:08:57
SUPPORTIVE SIGNAL, BUT YOU’RE00:08:58
ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND00:09:00
THE WAY WE’LL GET THE ANSWER IS00:09:01
WITH AN INVESTIGATION.00:09:02
>> Darren: WE HEAR THAT00:09:04
PRESIDENT TRUMP PLANS TO DECLARE00:09:06
THE OPIOID CRISIS A NATIONAL00:09:06
EMERGENCY.00:09:07
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?00:09:09
>> Welch: I DO AGREE WITH THAT,00:09:11
I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT.00:09:12
>> Darren: WHY SO?00:09:13
>> Welch: THERE’S BEEN AN00:09:17
EXPLOSION IN THE USE OF OPIOIDS,00:09:18
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE AS A00:09:20
RESULT OF OVER-PRESCRIPTION.00:09:21
GOVERNOR SHUMLIN LED THE ATTACK00:09:24
ON THIS AND SOUNDED THE ALARM IN00:09:24
2014.00:09:28
SOME OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE00:09:31
FLOODING OF THE MARKET FROM00:09:32
PRODUCTS IN CHINA, AND THE00:09:35
DAMAGE THAT IS CAUSING TO OUR00:09:37
COMMUNITIES, THE SUFFERING IT’S00:09:38
CAUSING PEOPLE IS JUST ENORMOUS,00:09:40
AND THERE’S A WHOLE VARIETY OF00:09:42
THINGS.00:09:43
OVER-PRESCRIPTION,00:09:45
OVER-UTILIZATION, THE DRUG00:09:49
DEALERS BRINGING DRUGS IN FROM00:09:51
ABROAD THAT IS REALLY REEKING00:09:53
HAVOC IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO YES,00:09:54
I THINK THERE’S AN OPIOID00:09:54
CRISIS.00:09:56
>> Darren: SOME FOLKS WERE00:09:59
SURPRISED AFTER THE REPORT TO00:10:01
LEARN THAT YOU HAD SUPPORTED IT,00:10:03
GIVEN THAT YOU’VE BEEN REALLY00:10:06
OUTSPOKEN IN GOING AFTER00:10:07
PHARMACY -- PHARMACEUTICAL00:10:08
COMPANIES BECAUSE OF THE PRICING00:10:10
AND TRYING TO GET CHEAPER DRUGS.00:10:12
ARE THEY RELATED AT ALL?00:10:14
>> Welch: THEY’RE NOT RELATED.00:10:16
HERE’S WHAT IS CONNECTED.00:10:19
THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES IN00:10:21
MY VIEW DO SOME GOOD THINGS.00:10:23
THEY PROVIDE LIFE-EXTENDING AND00:10:24
PAIN-RELIEVING DRUGS AND I KNOW00:10:26
THAT FROM CIRCUMSTANCES IN MY00:10:28
OWN FAMILY, BUT THERE’S A LOT OF00:10:29
PRICE GOUGING THAT’S GOING ON00:10:31
AND TO AN EXTENT, THERE’S SOME00:10:32
PARTICIPATION BY THE DRUG00:10:34
COMPANIES IN PUSHING OUT OPIOIDS00:10:35
WHERE THEY SHOULDN’T GO.00:10:36
THAT’S GOT TO BE STOPPED AS WELL00:10:38
AND, OF COURSE, THERE’S00:10:38
LITIGATION NOW.00:10:40
SOME OF THE ATTORNEY GENERALS00:10:41
ARE INVOLVED AND SOME PRIVATE00:10:44
ACTIONS, VERY SIMILAR TO THE00:10:46
TOBACCO LITIGATION TAKING PLACE.00:10:47
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN A00:10:49
DOCTOR HAS A PATIENT WITH CANCER00:10:53
WHO IS IN ENORMOUS PAIN, THEN00:10:55
THAT PRESCRIPTION THAT DOCTOR00:10:56
PROVIDES I THINK SHOULD BE00:10:58
SAFELY DELIVERED IN THE RIGHT00:11:00
AMOUNT TO THAT PATIENT.00:11:02
SO THERE’S GOT TO BE SOME FOCUS00:11:04
ON RECOGNIZING THAT WE’VE GOT TO00:11:06
TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENT HERE AS00:11:08
WELL AS DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS00:11:10
OF EXCESSIVE USE OF OPIOIDS.00:11:12
>> Darren: CONGRESSMAN WELCH,00:11:12
THANK YOU.00:11:14
>> Darren: UP NEXT, VERMONT00:11:17
>> Welch: THANK YOU.00:11:17
WOMEN JOINING THE #MeToo TOO00:11:17
More You Can Quote Me on00:12:54
the way ... But first let’s00:12:55
fi00:12:55
>> Darren: MORE "YOU CAN QUOTE00:12:57
ME" ON THE WAY, BUT FIRST, LET’S00:12:59
FIND OUT WHAT THE CHANNEL 300:13:01
WEEKEND NEWS TEAM HAS PLANNED00:13:01
THIS MORNING.00:13:02
HERE’S SCOTT FLEISHMAN FROM THE00:13:03
NEWSROOM.00:13:04
>> Scott: THANKS VERY MUCH,00:13:05
DARREN.00:13:07
COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF00:13:08
MINUTES, DO YOU HAVE ANY OLD00:13:09
PAINT CANS LYING AROUND THE00:13:12
HOUSE THAT STILL HAVE PAINT IN00:13:13
THEM?00:13:15
WELL, MAY WANT TO CLEAR THOSE00:13:16
CANS OUT BEFORE THE WINTER00:13:16
MONTHS.00:13:17
WE’LL TELL YOU ABOUT A PLACE00:13:18
THAT IS RECYCLING THOSE.00:13:20
ALSO, IF YOU’RE A FOODIE, THEN00:13:21
YOU’RE DEFINITELY GAG TO WANT TO00:13:23
TAKE A TRIP OUT TO STOWE THIS00:13:23
WEEK.00:13:26
SPECIALS ON THE MENU FOR A GREAT00:13:26
PRICE.00:13:28
I CHECK OUT A COUPLE OF THESE00:13:29
PLACES.00:13:31
AND ANOTHER WARM WEATHER DAY IS00:13:31
ON THE WAY.00:13:33
DAVE BUSH WILL JOIN US WITH HIS00:13:35
FORECAST AND LET US KNOW IF00:13:36
THESE HIGH TEMPERATURES ARE00:13:38
GOING TO BE COOLING DOWN ANYTIME00:13:38
SOON.00:13:40
THAT IS, AGAIN N, A FEW MINUTES00:13:42
COMING UP ON THE WEEKEND.00:13:42
DARREN?00:13:44
>> Darren: AND UP NEXT, MILLIONS00:13:47
OF WOMEN JOINING THE NATIONAL00:13:50
MOVEMENT CALLED #MeToo USING THE00:13:51
GETTING ON BOARD.00:13:52
HASHTAG ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND SOME00:13:52
POWERFUL VERMONT WOMEN ARE00:13:52
A staggering number of00:15:19
sexual assault and00:15:21
>> Darren: A STAGGERING NUMBER00:15:23
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND HARASSMENT00:15:25
SURVIVORS SHARING THEIR STORIES00:15:26
ONLINE.00:15:27
THEIR STORIES FLOODED SOCIAL00:15:31
MEDIA, ALONG WITH THE HASHTAG00:15:31
#MeToo.00:15:34
FIRST USED IN 2007 BY A SEX00:15:35
ASSAULT SURVIVOR TO RALLY00:15:38
SUPPORT FOR WOMEN OF COLOR,00:15:39
#MeToo WENT VIRAL.00:15:41
ONE WEEK AGO TODAY, AFTER IT WAS00:15:44
TWEETED BY ACTRESS ELISSA00:15:44
MILANO.00:15:47
SHE URGED PEOPLE TO SHOW THE00:15:50
MAGNITUDE OF SEX ASSAULT AND00:15:51
HARASSMENT.00:15:52
CELEBRITIES QUICKLY SIGNED ON00:15:54
AND SOME HIGH PROFILE VERMONT00:15:55
WOMEN ARE AMONG THOSE TRYING TO00:15:59
BRING THE PROBLEM TO LIGHT,00:16:01
INCLUDING CHITTENDEN COUNTY00:16:01
STATES ATTORNEY SARAH GEORGE WHO00:16:04
SAT DOWN WITH ME TO DISCUSS WHY00:16:05
SHE JOIN THE MOVEMENT.00:16:08
WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO USE THE00:16:09
#MeToo?00:16:11
>> George: I FELT LIKE IT WAS00:16:12
IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE IN THIS00:16:14
COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT THIS IS00:16:16
NOT JUST A HOLLYWOOD THING00:16:17
THAT’S HAPPENING.00:16:19
I FIRST SAW IT ON FACEBOOK00:16:20
THROUGH REBECCA BOWEN AND I HAVE00:16:22
A LOT OF RESPECT FOR REBECCA AND00:16:24
I READ THROUGH IT AND THEN DID A00:16:26
LITTLE BIT OF REFERENCE MYSELF00:16:29
TO SEE -- RESEARCH MYSELF TO SEE00:16:31
WHAT IT WAS ALL ABOUT BECAUSE I00:16:32
HADN’T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT,00:16:34
AND WHEN I REALLY LEARN WHAT00:16:35
STARTED IT, I WAS REALLY TOUCHED00:16:37
BY IT AND FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO00:16:39
ADD TO THAT.00:16:40
I THINK THAT THERE’S TOO MUCH00:16:41
PEOPLE NOT JUST IN OUR00:16:43
COMMUNITY, BUT IN OUR COUNTRY,00:16:45
WHO THINK THAT THIS DOESN’T00:16:47
HAPPEN, AND SO I FELT LIKE I00:16:50
NEEDED TO BE A PART OF IT.00:16:51
>> Darren: #MeToo OBVIOUSLY00:16:54
MEANS YOU, YOURSELF, HAVE EITHER00:16:57
DEALT WITH HARASSMENT OR SOME00:16:58
KIND OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE,00:16:58
ASSAULT.00:17:01
CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR STORY?00:17:03
>> George: I GENERALLY HAVE NOT00:17:06
BEEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, BUT00:17:10
I’VE HAD, OVER THE YEARS,00:17:13
COUNTLESS UNWANTED ADVANCES,00:17:15
REPEATED UNWANTED ADVANCES,00:17:18
SOMETIMES BY PEOPLE I KNOW,00:17:20
OTHER TIMES BY COMPLETE00:17:20
STRANGERS.00:17:22
GOING INTO THE LEGAL FIELD,00:17:24
WHICH IS A MALE-DOMINATED FIELD,00:17:26
IT NEVER STOPPED AND IT NEVER00:17:27
REALLY GOT ANY BETTER THAN00:17:29
REALLY WHAT I EXPERIENCED IN00:17:31
COLLEGE EVEN.00:17:34
A LOT OF MALE ATTORNEYS THAT SAY00:17:35
REALLY INAPPROPRIATE THINGS.00:17:37
SOMETIMES IT’S WITNESSES THAT00:17:39
ARE -- OR DEFENDANTS MAKING00:17:42
SEXUAL ADVANCES TOWARDS ME,00:17:45
ASKING ME OUT WHEN I’M IN A00:17:47
COURT SETTING, JUST HAVING NO00:17:49
REAL CONCEPT OF THOSE BOUNDARIES00:17:51
AND INAPPROPRIATENESS OF WHAT00:17:52
THEY’RE SAYING TO ME.00:17:55
>> Darren: THE IRONY HERE REALLY00:17:58
IS THAT YOU DO WORK IN THE LEGAL00:17:58
SYSTEM.00:18:00
>> George: YEAH, IT IS, AND I00:18:02
MEAN, AS A PROSECUTOR, I DEAL00:18:05
WITH -- OR I WORK WITH WOMEN ALL00:18:06
THE TIME THAT HAVE BEEN REAL00:18:09
VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS OF00:18:13
DOMESTIC ABUSE OR SEXUAL00:18:15
ASSAULT, SO I CERTAINLY -- I00:18:16
UNDERSTAND MY OWN PRIVILEGE.00:18:18
I OWN MY OWN PRIVILEGE, THAT I00:18:21
AM A WHITE MIDDLE CLASS FEMALE,00:18:23
AND I HAVE NOT BEEN SEXUALLY00:18:24
ASSAULTED.00:18:27
THEIR EXPERIENCES ARE FAR MORE00:18:30
TRAUMATIZING AND REAL THAN MINE,00:18:32
BUT I DO STILL WORK IN A FIELD00:18:34
WHERE I SEE IT ALL THE TIME AND00:18:36
I SEE PEOPLE BEING VICTIMIZED BY00:18:39
IT, AND THEN A LOT OF THAT00:18:42
SMALLER STUFF IS HAPPENING TO ME00:18:43
ALL THE TIME.00:18:44
AND ANY -- I DON’T WANT TO SPEAK00:18:45
ON BEHALF OF ALL THE FEMALE00:18:47
ATTORNEYS, BUT I KNOW THAT MANY00:18:48
OTHER FEMALE ATTORNEYS00:18:51
EXPERIENCE THE SAME THING.00:18:52
>> Darren: WHAT DO YOU THINK00:18:54
THIS HASHTAG ALONE CAN DO TO00:18:56
EITHER RAISE AWARENESS OR STOP00:18:57
IT?00:18:58
>> George: I THINK THAT IT00:19:01
REALLY IS RAISING AWARENESS.00:19:03
WHAT I LOVED ABOUT HOW IT CAME00:19:07
OUT WAS THAT IT WAS ALL OF THESE00:19:07
HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITIES THAT MOST00:19:09
PEOPLE HAVE IN THEIR MIND THAT00:19:10
THEIR LIVES ARE PERFECT, THEY00:19:13
DON’T EXPERIENCE ANYTHING LIKE00:19:16
THIS, THAT I WOULD NEVER HAVE00:19:17
GUESSED THAT SUCH HORRIFIC00:19:19
THINGS WERE HAPPENING TO THEM IN00:19:21
HOLLYWOOD IN ORDER TO GET SOME00:19:22
OF THE ROLES THAT I’VE WATCHED00:19:23
THEM IN.00:19:24
AND THINK NOW ABOUT WHAT THEY00:19:27
WENT THROUGH TO GET THAT ROLE IS00:19:28
REALLY -- IT’S AWFUL TO THINK00:19:30
THAT THEY DID THAT, AND I LOVE00:19:32
THAT THEY ARE STANDING UP AND00:19:34
BRINGING OUT WHAT THEY WENT00:19:35
THROUGH SO THAT OTHER WOMEN CAN00:19:36
START TO THINK ABOUT THEIR OWN00:19:38
LIVES AND WHAT THEY’VE DONE AND00:19:40
RECOGNIZE THAT IT’S NOT OKAY,00:19:42
BECAUSE EVEN FOR ME, THINKING00:19:43
ABOUT IT, WHEN THAT HAPPENED, I00:19:45
THOUGHT -- I STARTED TO THINK00:19:46
ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE00:19:49
HAPPENED TO ME AND I THINK AS00:19:50
WOMEN, IT’S BECOME SUCH SECOND00:19:52
NATURE THAT WE DON’T EVEN00:19:56
RECOGNIZE IT A LOT, SO TO SEE00:19:58
THAT #MeToo OVER AND OVER AND00:19:59
OVER AGAIN ON YOUR TWITTER FEED00:20:01
OR FACEBOOK FEED AND HAVE IT BE00:20:02
PEOPLE THAT YOU SPEND DAYS WITH00:20:04
ALL THE TIME, THAT YOU’VE NEVER00:20:05
DISCUSSED WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE00:20:07
HAS BEEN, IS NOW HAPPENING,00:20:08
WHICH I THINK IS AWESOME.00:20:11
EVEN TODAY TALKING TO A COUPLE00:20:13
OF MY COHORT ABOUT THINGS THAT00:20:14
HAVE HAPPENED TO THEM, THINGS00:20:16
THAT ATTORNEYS HAVE SAID TO THEM00:20:18
OR JUST OTHER MALES IN THE00:20:20
SYSTEM HAVE SAID TO THEM, IT’S00:20:22
PRETTY HORRIFIC.00:20:24
>> Darren: CAN THIS MAKE ACTUAL00:20:25
CHANGE, THOUGH?00:20:28
>> George: I THINK IT CAN00:20:30
BECAUSE I PERSONALLY THINK THAT00:20:33
IF MORE WOMEN WERE AWARE THAT IT00:20:35
WAS HAPPENING, THEY’LL FEEL MORE00:20:36
COMFORTABLE SAYING SOMETHING,00:20:37
AND THAT’S WHERE YOU CAN REALLY00:20:38
MAKE CHANGE IS BY ACTUALLY00:20:40
SAYING SOMETHING.00:20:42
WHEN YOU ARE IN THAT SITUATION,00:20:43
BEING ABLE TO MAKE YOUR OWN00:20:49
CHOICE ABOUT HOW YOU RACKEACT TO00:20:50
VERSUS THINKING THE AUTOMATIC00:20:51
RESPONSE BEING THAT YOU CAN’T00:20:52
SAY ANYTHING.00:20:54
>> Darren: CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME00:20:56
EXAMPLES OF HARASSMENT YOU’VE00:20:57
EXPERIENCED YOURSELF?00:20:58
>> George: GENERALLY THE00:21:00
UNWANTED ADVANCES ARE CERTAINLY00:21:02
THE MOST -- ARE THE WORST THINGS00:21:05
THAT I’VE DEALT WITH.00:21:06
MEN FOLLOWING ME LATE AT NIGHT00:21:08
ON THE -- YOU KNOW, ON CHURCH00:21:09
STREET OR WALKING BACK TO MY CAR00:21:12
OR EVEN IN THE COURTHOUSE,00:21:13
FOLLOWING ME AND ASKING ME00:21:16
REPEATEDLY TO GO ON A DATE OR00:21:19
COMMENTING ON MY BODY OR MY00:21:21
LOOKS, AND SAYING INAPPROPRIATE00:21:22
THINGS TO ME.00:21:23
THAT’S KIND OF THE ONE SPECTRUM00:21:26
OF IT, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I00:21:29
HAVE ATTORNEYS OR OTHER PEOPLE00:21:34
SAY TO ME, YOU’RE TOO PRETTY TO00:21:36
BE SO ANGRY OR IF I GET REALLY00:21:39
UPSET ABOUT A CASE, YOU’RE BEING00:21:41
TOO EMOTIONAL, I’LL COME BACK00:21:42
FOR A DIFFERENT OFFER WHEN00:21:44
YOU’RE NOT SO EMOTIONAL, OR YOU00:21:46
SHOULD WEAR SHORTER DRESSES OR00:21:48
WALK AWAY FROM ME, AGAIN,00:21:52
BECAUSE I LIKE THE WAY YOUR --00:21:57
LOOKS IN THAT DRESS.00:22:02
I’VE HAD ATTORNEYS TELL ME THAT00:22:05
I SHOULD SMILE MORE, YOU KNOW, I00:22:07
LOOK SEXY WHEN I SMILE OR I LOOK00:22:11
SEXY WHEN I WEAR HIGH HEELS.00:22:15
THOSE TYPES OF COMMENTS ARE00:22:16
PRETTY NORMAL.00:22:17
AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT00:22:19
FOR SO MANY OF THEM, THEY’RE00:22:20
COMING FROM ATTORNEYS THAT I00:22:21
RESPECT AND I HAVE A GOOD00:22:23
RELATIONSHIP WITH, AND I DON’T00:22:26
KNOW THAT THEY EVEN -- I00:22:27
USUALLY -- MY KIND OF COPING00:22:29
MECHANISM IS TO RESPOND WITH00:22:29
SARCASM.00:22:30
I’LL SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR BACK00:22:32
TO THEM, AND THEY GET REALLY00:22:33
UNCOMFORTABLE.00:22:34
THAT’S MY WAY OF DEALING WITH00:22:37
IT, BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE00:22:39
WOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING AND00:22:41
THEY -- I ASSUME A LOT OF MEN IN00:22:42
OUR SOCIETY ARE SAYING THESE00:22:43
TYPES OF THINGS TO A LOT OF00:22:44
PEOPLE AND NOBODY IS TELLING00:22:46
THEM THAT IT’S NOT OKAY AND SO00:22:47
THEY CONTINUE TO DO IT, AND THEY00:22:49
HAVE NO IDEA THE EFFECT THAT IT00:22:51
MIGHT HAVE ON THE PERSON THEY’RE00:22:52
SAYING IT TO.00:22:54
THE TIME THAT I ASKED AN00:22:56
ATTORNEY FOR A CAMPAIGN00:22:56
DONATION, AN ATTORNEY THAT I00:22:58
HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR AND WE00:22:59
HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP00:23:02
TOGETHER, AND HE ASKED ME IF I00:23:03
HAD BEEN A GOOD GIRL.00:23:06
BUT I IMAGINE HE DOESN’T ASK A00:23:08
LOT OF MALE MEN THAT QUESTION00:23:09
WHEN THEY’RE ASKING FOR ANY SORT00:23:11
OF CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION, AND00:23:15
FOR ME, THAT WAS A REALLY00:23:16
UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TO BE IN00:23:18
AND I WAS REALLY UNSURE OF HOW00:23:20
TO RESPOND TO THAT, AND WHETHER00:23:21
TO RESPOND TO IT.00:23:22
>> Darren: THAT WAS GOING TO BE00:23:23
MY NEXT QUESTION.00:23:26
HOW DO YOU RESPOND OR HOW SHOULD00:23:27
WOMEN RESPOND WHEN THEY’RE00:23:29
DEALING WITH THIS KIND OF THING?00:23:30
>> George: YEAH, I DON’T KNOW00:23:32
THAT THERE’S ONE SOLID ANSWER TO00:23:32
THAT.00:23:34
I THINK THAT EVERY WOMAN NEEDS00:23:36
TO FIRST JUST KNOW THAT IT’S00:23:38
OKAY TO RESPOND.00:23:40
IT IS OKAY TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT00:23:42
FOR SOME WOMEN, DEPENDING ON THE00:23:44
SITUATION, ESPECIALLY IF IT’S A00:23:46
SEXUAL ASSAULT SITUATION OR A00:23:48
SEXUAL ADVANCEMENT, THEY MIGHT00:23:51
NOT FEEL SAFE TO SAY ANYTHING AT00:23:52
THE TIME, AND THAT’S OFTEN WHERE00:23:54
WE FIND OURSELVES.00:23:55
I HAD A SITUATION IN COLLEGE00:23:57
WHERE A MAN TRIED TO FOLLOW ME00:23:58
HOME AND ENDED UP GRABBING ME,00:24:01
AND I WAS AFRAID TO EVEN TELL MY00:24:04
BOYFRIEND THAT IT HAD HAPPENED.00:24:08
AND THAT’S WHERE WE NEED TO --00:24:10
BECAUSE I WAS SAYING TO MYSELF,00:24:11
I WAS WALKING HOME BY MYSELF, IT00:24:14
WAS LATE AT NIGHT, IT WAS DARK.00:24:16
YOU CONSTANTLY BLAME YOURSELF.00:24:17
YOU FIND WAYS TO JUSTIFY WHAT00:24:19
THIS OTHER PERSON DID TO YOU AND00:24:21
THAT’S WHAT WE NEED TO CHANGE.00:24:22
THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.00:24:24
WOMEN NEED TO FEEL COMFORTABLE00:24:26
SAYING SOMETHING TO EITHER A00:24:28
SUPERVISOR OR AN HR -- IF THEY00:24:29
DON’T FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING TO00:24:31
THEIR SUPERVISOR, SAYING IT TO00:24:32
SOMEBODY IN HR OR SAYING IT TO00:24:33
THE PERSON.00:24:34
MAKING THEM FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE,00:24:36
AND FOR ME AGAIN, THAT SARCASM,00:24:41
I RESPOND IN A WAY THAT’S NOT00:24:44
ANGRY BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART,00:24:44
THIS IS USUALLY COMING FROM MEN00:24:45
I RESPECT AND I HAVE A00:24:47
RELATIONSHIP WITH, SO THAT00:24:48
DOESN’T WORK FOR ME.00:24:49
BUT IF THAT’S WHAT WORKS FOR00:24:52
SOMEBODY, THEN THEY NEED TO FEEL00:24:53
COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.00:24:56
AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAY HURT A00:24:56
RELATIONSHIP THAT THEY HAVE WITH00:24:59
THAT PERSON, BUT AT LEAST00:25:00
THEY’VE -- THEY’LL FEEL LIKE00:25:02
THEY DID WHAT THEY COULD.00:25:04
>> Darren: DO YOU THINK THIS IS00:25:05
AN INDIVIDUAL PROBLEM,00:25:07
INDIVIDUAL MEN DOING THIS, OR DO00:25:09
YOU THINK THIS IS A SOCIETAL00:25:10
PROBLEM?00:25:11
>> George: I THINK IT’S A00:25:13
SOCIETAL PROBLEM AND I SAY THAT00:25:14
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE’S00:25:16
TYPES WHERE I’LL BE AT A --00:25:17
TIMES WHERE I’LL BE AT AN EVENT00:25:20
AND I’LL BE WITH A MALE COHORT00:25:22
OF MINE AND WE’LL LEAVE, AND00:25:23
HE’LL SAY I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS00:25:25
PERSON DID THAT TO YOU.00:25:29
AND I DIDN’T EVEN NOTICE THAT IT00:25:29
HAPPENED.00:25:32
IT’S BECOME SUCH SECOND NATURE.00:25:33
BUT THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT MAY00:25:35
HAVE DONE SOMETHING, I KNOW00:25:36
RESPECTS ME.00:25:39
I KNOW THEY DO, AND I KNOW THAT00:25:43
THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY ILL00:25:44
INTENTIONS WHEN THEY DID WHAT00:25:45
THEY DID.00:25:48
SO I DON’T THINK IT’S JUST THESE00:25:52
MEAN OR NARCISSISTIC MEN DOING00:25:53
THISES IT’S JUST AN ASSOCIATE00:25:56
TAL -- I THINK IT’S A SOCIETAL00:25:58
THING WHERE MEN IN GENERAL FEEL00:25:58
COMFORTABLE SAYING THINGS AND00:26:01
HAVE NO CONCEPT OF HOW IT’S00:26:04
AFFECTING THE PERSON THEY’RE00:26:05
SAYING IT TO.00:26:06
>> Darren: WHAT’S THE SOLUTION?00:26:07
>> George: TALKING ABOUT IT.00:26:08
I THINK THIS IS THE SOLUTION IN00:26:10
SOME WAYS, JUST MAKING PEOPLE A00:26:12
LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE AND MAKING00:26:15
THEM AWARE THAT WHAT THEY MIGHT00:26:17
BE DOING AND HAVING MORE -- WHAT00:26:20
THEY MIGHT BE DOING OR MIGHT BE00:26:21
SAYING COULD AFFECT THE PEOPLE00:26:23
THAT THEY’RE SAYING IT TO.00:26:24
SO STOP AND THINK ABOUT00:26:26
SOMETHING BEFORE YOU SAY IT, AND00:26:29
ASK YOURSELF, WOULD YOU SAY THAT00:26:30
SAME THING TO A MAN?00:26:32
IF I’M STANDING NEXT TO A MALE00:26:34
COHORT, WOULD I SAY THE SAME00:26:35
THING?00:26:38
AND IF YOU WOULDN’T, THEN DON’T00:26:39
SAY IT.00:26:42
>> Darren: FROM A PERSONAL00:26:43
PERSPECTIVE, EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE00:26:47
HOW AS A WOMAN THIS MAKES YOU00:26:47
FEEL?00:26:49
WHAT KIND OF EMOTION DOES THIS00:26:49
STIR UP?00:26:51
WHAT’S YOUR TAKEAWAY WHEN00:26:53
SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS SAID TO00:26:53
YOU?00:26:54
>> George: I THINK FOR ME,00:26:56
THAT’S CHANGED A LOT OVER THE00:26:56
YEARS.00:26:58
WHEN IT FIRST STARTED HAPPENING00:26:59
WHEN I WAS IN YOUNGER IN00:27:01
COLLEGE, I FELT A LOT OF SHAME00:27:03
FROM IT.00:27:05
IT JUST MADE ME FEEL KIND OF00:27:09
DIRTY, AND I PUT THAT ON MYSELF.00:27:10
I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING I00:27:11
COULD CHANGE AND I ULTIMATELY00:27:12
REALIZED THAT IT WASN’T.00:27:15
AND SINCE THAT, WHEN I OVER THE00:27:18
YEARS BECOME AN ATTORNEY AND NOW00:27:19
THE STATE’S ATTORNEY, I REACT00:27:21
VERY DIFFERENTLY AND I FEEL VERY00:27:22
DIFFERENTLY ABOUT IT.00:27:26
NOW I GET KIND OF ANGRY ABOUT00:27:30
IT, BUT I JUST -- UP UNTIL I00:27:32
POSTED THAT #MeToo, I SORT OF00:27:34
HAD ALWAYS BEEN LIKE IT IS WHAT00:27:36
IT IS, I DON’T LET IT AFFECT ME00:27:36
ANYMORE.00:27:39
I CERTAINLY DON’T TAKE ANY BLAME00:27:42
OR SHAME WHEN IT HAPPENS TO ME.00:27:43
I GET UPSET.00:27:48
I USUALLY TALK TO A GIRLFRIEND00:27:49
ABOUT IT, WE HAVE A COMMON00:27:50
COMPLAINT SESSION ABOUT THE00:27:51
THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO US, AND I00:27:54
MOVE ON.00:27:56
BUT I DON’T KNOW THAT THAT’S THE00:27:57
RIGHT SOLUTION BECAUSE, AS I00:27:59
SAID, THAT PERSON THAT DID IT TO00:28:02
ME HAS NO IDEA AND EVEN IF YOU00:28:03
ARE SPENDING THAT EXTRA TIME00:28:07
TALKING TO A GIRLFRIEND BITABOUT00:28:08
IT, THAT’S STILL TIME YOU’RE00:28:10
HAVING TO TAKE OUT OF YOUR LIFE00:28:12
TO DEAL WITH IT WHEN THEY HAD NO00:28:15
IDEA IT HAD THAT EFFECT ON YOU.00:28:17
>> Darren: JUST USING THE #MeToo00:28:20
YOURSELF, HAS IT EMPOWERED YOU00:28:20
EVEN MORE SO?00:28:22
>> George: IT DOES, WHICH IS00:28:22
SUCH A STRANGE THING.00:28:25
I MEAN, I POST ON TWITTER AND00:28:27
FACEBOOK ALL THE TIME, BUT FOR00:28:28
SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT00:28:30
A LOT ABOUT IT BEFORE I POSTED00:28:36
IT ON POST -- POSTED IT ON BOTH00:28:39
OF THOSE MEDIUMS AND I STRUGGLED00:28:41
WITH WHETHER TO DO THAT AND I00:28:42
HAD A LOT OF -- I REALLY00:28:43
WONDERED WHETHER THIS WAS00:28:44
SOMETHING I SHOULD DO,00:28:46
ESPECIALLY IN MY POSITION NOW,00:28:48
BECAUSE IT DOESN’T HAVE ANY -- I00:28:49
MEAN, NOT TO SAY THAT I DOESN’T00:28:50
HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC00:28:51
SAFETY.00:28:52
IT CERTAINLY DOES IF PEOPLE ARE00:28:54
GETTING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED, BUT00:28:56
THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND KIND00:28:58
OF JUST GENERAL SEXISM STUFF00:29:00
REALLY ISN’T MY JOB AS STATE’S00:29:01
ATTORNEY, BUT I GET TO A POINT00:29:03
WHERE I STARTED TO FEEL LIKE I00:29:05
AM NOW IN A POSITION OF POWER00:29:07
AND I AM A WOMAN AND THERE00:29:08
AREN’T A LOT OF US THAT ARE IN A00:29:11
POSITION OF POWER, AND I OWED IT00:29:14
TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY TO00:29:16
RECOGNIZE THAT THIS HAPPENS TO00:29:19
EVERYBODY, AND INCLUDING ME.00:29:20
>> Darren: SARAH GEORGE, THANK00:29:20
YOU.00:29:21
>> George: THANK YOU.00:29:22
>> Darren: AND THAT WILL DO IT00:29:24
FOR "YOU CAN QUOTE ME."00:29:26
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NEXT RIGHT HERE ON THE WEEKEND.00:29:29
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