YCQM: October 29, 2017

BURLINGTON, Vt. >> FROM WCAX, THIS IS YOU CAN
QUOTE ME.
>>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE,
I'M DARREN PERRON
RIGHT NOW ON YOU CAN QUOTE
ME, BURLINGTON'S MAYOR ON THE
BT CONTROVERSY
WHO SHOULD OWN THE CITY'S
CABLE AND INTERNET PROVIDER?
WE ALSO DISCUSS SHUTTING DOWN
HOMELESS CAMPS AND WHETHER
HE'S RUNNING AGAIN
ALSO, A MOM WANTS TO SEE
SCHOOL SECURITY VIDEO OF HER
OWN CHILD, BUT THE SCHOOL SAYS
NO WHAT ARE
YOUR RIGHTS?
WCAX INVESTIGATES
AND TARGET COMES TO TOWN
THE RETAILER
FINALLY LANDS IN VERMONT
AND THAT'S
WHERE WE BEGIN THIS MORNING
VERMONT IS THE
LAST STATE WITHOUT A TARGET
STORE, BUT AS CAT VIGLIENZONI
REPORTS, THE POPULAR RETAILER
WILL TAKE OVER SPACE IN SOUTH
BURLINGTON
>> WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION JUST
NOW WHEN I TOLD YOU TARGET WAS
GOING TO COME IN?
>> SHUT UP!
>> REALLY?
TARGET?I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
>> IT'S ABOUT TIME I'M VERY EXCITED TO HAVE A
TARGET HERE WE NEED IT, DESPERATELY.
>> I'M PSYCHED I HAVE BeEN WAITING FOR -- I'M
SIEKTD -- PSYCHED.
>> NEWS SET THE UNIVERSITY
MALL BUZZING BON TON'S LEAST >> SOUTH
BURLINGTON MANAGER KEVIN DORN
SAID THEY CHOSE THAT SPOT
BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO THE
INTERSTATE, A LARGE POPULATION, AND PUBLIC
TRANSIT. AND, IT WASN'T A CONTROVERSIAL
SITE.
>> AS WE ALL KNOW, THE PAST
HISTORY OF LOCATING LARGE
RETAIL IN VERMONT HAS HIT ROAD
BLOCKS AND HAS BEEN, PUT
PEOPLE AT ODDS WITH ONE
ANOTHER.
>> DORN CALLS TARGET'S ARRIVAL
A, QUOTE, SIGNIFICANT BOOST TO
THE DEVELOPING CITY CENTER.
AND ITS TAX REVENUE IS GOOD
FOR THE CITY'S BOTTOM LINE.
THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD ON
CREATING A DOWNTOWN, BUT THE
MALL IS IN FORECLOSURE, AND
PLANS TO BRING UVM'S NEW
ATHLETIC ARENA HERE DIDN'T PAN
OUT.
THE MALL NEEDED SOMETHING TO
REVITALIZE IT.
DORN SAYS THIS IS IT.
>> WE ALL LOOK AROUND THE
COUNTRY AND SEE FAILING MALLS.
TARGET WILL SUSTAIN THIS MALL
AND HELP IT TO GROW AND BE
VITAL, AND THAT HELPS ALL OF
THE TENANTS IN THE BUILDING.
>> AT LEAST ONE MALL BUSINESS
OWNER AGREES.
>> THE MALL NEEDED A NEW
TENANT FOR A LONG TIME.
VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
>> AFTER MIDNIGHT JEWELER'S
OWNER SCOTT RICHARDSON HAS
BEEN HERE FOR 28 YEARS AND HAS
SEEN FEWER SHOPPERS.
HE SAYS THIS MIGHT DO THE
TRICK.
>> HOPEFULLY RETURN TRAFFIC TO
THE MALL, FOOT TRAFFIC, WHICH
IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL LOOK
FORWARD TO.
>> PEOPLE WE ASKED SAID TARGET
WOULD BRING THEM HERE MORE
OFTEN.
SO WHAT'S THE APPEAL?
>> IT'S LIKE A CLASSIER
WALMART.
>> YES.
I THINK THEY HAVE A LOT BETTER
DEALS.
>> THE PRICES, THE END CAPS,
YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND A GREAT
DEAL ON THE END CAPS.
YOU KNOW, AFRICAN-AMERICAN
HAIR PRODUCTS, AWESOME THAT
TARGET IS COMING HERE.
AS WENDY WILLIAM SAYS,
TAR-JAY.
>> SO WHAT ABOUT INCREASED
TRAFFIC IN THE AREA?
ONCE TARGET MOVES IN, CAT
ASKED SOUTH BURLINGTON CITY
MANAGER KEVIN DORN ABOUT THAT,
AND WHAT TARGET MEANS FOR THE
CITY'S BOTTOM LINE.
>> I KNOW THERE WAS SOME
CONCERNS INITIALLY FROM PEOPLE
WHO WERE WRITING IN TO US
ABOUT POTENTIAL TRAFFIC
INCREASES.
>> WE ARE DEALING WITH THE
TRAFFIC ISSUES AS WE HAVE TO,
AS SOUTH BURLINGTON CITY
CENTER BUILDS OUT.
WE ARE ADDRESSING TRAFFIC
ISSUES AGGRESSIVELY.
UNIVERSITY MALL HAS HAD A
GREAT HISTORY HERE, THOUGH, OF
HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUMES, THAT
HAVE FALLEN OFF IN RECENT
YEARS.
SO YOU WILL SEE THEM I THINK
INCREASE AGAIN.
PERHAPS NOT TO THE LEVEL
THEY'VE BEEN AT 20 YEARS AGO.
THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF
MODERN-DAY RETAIL.
NONETHELESS, I THINK THERE
WILL BE INCREASES.
WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS ADAPTIVE
SIGNAL CONTROLS ON DORSET
STREET AND WILLISTON ROAD THAT
ARE A MEANS TO MANAGE TRAFFIC
MUCH MORE EFFICIENTLY.
THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY FOR
THIS COMMUNITY, SO BETWEEN
THAT, OUR GROWING EMPHASIS ON
PUBLIC TRANSIT, ON BIKE AND
PED FACILITIES AND SO ON WILL
HOPEFULLY DEAL WITH SOME OF
THOSE TRAFFIC PRESSURES.
>> TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, YOU
KNOW, DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THE
CITY CENTER.
IS TARGET A GOOD, YOU KNOW,
FIT FOR THE VIBE THAT SOUTH
BURLINGTON WANTS?
>> IT'S A GREAT FIT.
WE ENVISION THE COMMUNITY HAS
ENVISIONED A BUILD OUT OF
MARKET STREET.
YOU ARE SEEING THAT START NOW,
OF MIXED USE, RESIDENTIAL,
RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, AND HIGH
DENSITY ENVIRONMENT, SO HAVING
STORES LIKE TARGET, OR LIKE
THE OTHERS AT THE UNIVERSITY
MALL, AND HANIFORD'S, AND
HEALTHY LIVING, AND OTHER
STORES IN THE AREA WILL
SUPPORT THE RESIDENTIAL AND
COMMERCIAL BUILDOUT.
SO THIS ALL KIND OF WORKS AND
FITS TOGETHER, WITHOUT
QUESTION, TARGET WILL BE A
GREAT ANCHOR FOR THE BUILDING.
>> DO WE KNOW YET WHAT IMPACT
TARGET WILL HAVE ON THE CITY'S
REVENUE IN TERMS OF TAXES, AND
THINGS LIKE THAT?
>> WE HAVE A 1% LOCAL OPTION
TAX.
WE SUSPECT THAT IT WILL HAVE A
POSITIVE, SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE
IMPACT ON THAT, AND OF COURSE
THE STATE ALSO HAS ITS PIECE
OF THAT THE 9%, SO IT'S GOOD
FOR THE STATE, IT'S REALLY
GOOD FOR OUR LOCAL OPTION TAX,
SO WE ARE VERY HAPPY, AS YOU
MIGHT IMAGINE ABOUT THAT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I THINK
BEING CHOSEN BY TARGET AS THE
ONE LOCATION THEY WANTED TO
COME TO IN VERMONT IS AN
ENORMOUS STATEMENT THAT THEY
ARE MAKING IN THE CONFIDENCE
OF THIS COMMUNITY.
>> WHY WAS SOUTH BURLINGTON
CHOSEN OVER A LOT OF PEOPLE
THINK BIG BOX STORES, LIKE A
WILLISTON OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT?
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY.
I THINK IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT
WILLISTON, THAT WOULD HAVE
BEEN A NEW BUILD, AND I THINK
THERE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN
ISSUES REGARDING A NEW BUILD.
I THINK THERE WAS AN EX-ISING
FACILITY HERE -- EX-ISING
FACILITY IN VERMONT.
WE LIKE TO USE WHAT'S ALREADY
BUILT AS OPPOSED TO
NECESSARILY BUILD NEW.
QUILL STON HAS -- WILLISTON
HAS FINE LOCATIONS AND SOME
FINE BE RETAIL, BUT I THINK
THE PROXIMITY HERE TO THE
INTERSTATE, TO THIS VERY
SIGNIFICANT POPULATION
DENSITY, TO THE UNIVERSITY, TO
THE MEDICAL CENTER, I THINK
IT'S THE LOCATION AS MUCH AS
ANYTHING IN THE AVAILABLE
FACILITY THAT LED TO THIS.
SO THAT, AGAIN, IS WHY THE
BUILD OUT OF CITY CENTER IS IS
SO IMPORTANT, IT CREATES A
HIGH DENSITY IN AN AREA WHERE
WE CAN PROVIDE PUBLIC
SERVICES, AND TAKE THE
PRESSURE OFF MORE RURAL AREAS
THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE MORE
GREEN OR MORE OPEN.
>> LOCATION AND POPULATION
DENSITY ASIDE, WERE THERE ANY
INCENTIVES THAT THE CITY HAS
GIVEN TARGET TO COME HERE
DIRECTLY, LIKE WERE THERE ANY
TAX INCENTIVES?
>> THERE WAS NOTHING OF THAT.
TAX STABILIZATION IS HARD TO
DO HERE IN VERMONT NOW YOU,
AND OF COURSE CASH BENEFITS,
THE SAME WAY.
SO OUR HANDS -- I AM NOT
SAYING OUR HANDS ARE TIED, BUT
THERE IS JUST NOT MANY TOOLS
IN THE TOOL BOX FOR A
MUNICIPALITY.
OTHER THAN HAVING, YOU KNOW,
VERY HIGH-QUALITY SERVICES.
>> AND CAT JOINS US NOW.
GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> Darren: WHAT IS TARGET
GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
>> IT WILL BE ONE OF THE
SMALLER FORMAT STORES.
THIS ONE GOING TO BE ABOUT
60,000 SQUARE FEET.
FOR SOME PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S
ABOUT HALF THE SIZE OF THE ONE
OVER IN PLATTSBURGH.
TARGET SAID THIS ONE WILL
INCLUDE THINGS LIKE CLOTHING,
ACCESSORIES, HEALTH, PERSONAL
CARE PRODUCTS, AND GROCERIES
TO GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF KIND
OF WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT FROM
THIS TARGET STORE.
ONE THING THEY ARE PUSHING AND
IT SEEMS TO BE THE TREND IS
THE ABILITY TO BUY ITEMS
ONLINE AND THEN GO PICK THEM
UP IN THE STORE, AS WE HAVE
SEEN SIMILAR FROM OTHER LARGE
RETAILERS ON THIS ONE.
THEY ALSO, I NOTED, SAID THEY
WERE GOING TO TAILOR THE
PRODUCTS TO MEET LOCAL DEMAND,
BUT HOW MUCH AND WHAT THAT
MEANS, STILL REALLY REMAINS TO
BE SEEN, I THINK IN THIS.
>> Darren: SPEAKING OF THE
SIZE OF THIS STORE, I FOUND IT
INTERESTING, IT IS SMALL,
BUSINESS PROFESSOR SAID IT
GOES ALONG WITH TARGET'S
STRATEGY TO OPEN THESE SMALLER
STORES.
TARGET SAID IT PLANS TO
OPERATE MORE THAN 130 SMALL
FORMAT STORES BY THE END OF
2019.
>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT WHILE BRICK
AND MORTAR STARS TO BE UNDER
-- STORES ARE UNDER TREMENDOUS
PRESSURE, IT IS NOT AN
EITHER/OR.
CONSUMERS STILL VAM THE
PRESENCE OF BRICK AND MORTAR
STORES.
IN FACT, MANY RETAILERS FOUND
WHEN THEY CLOSE A STORE, THEIR
ONLINE SALES GO DOWN IN THAT
SAME ZIP CODE, BECAUSE PEOPLE
LIKE THE CONVENIENCE OF BEING
ABLE TO RETURN THINGS, TRY
THINGS ON, ET CETERA.
DARE WHAT ABOUT XE --
>> Darren: WHAT ABOUT
COMPETITION TO THE OTHER
STORES, CAT?
>> I GET ASKED ABOUT THAT,
BECAUSE I NOTED THE GROCERIES
PART OF TARGET'S PRESS
RELEASE.
I SAID HANIFORD IS IN THE SAME
COMPLEX, ARE THEY CONCERNED
ABOUT TARGET MOVING IN, AND
POTENTIALLY OFFERING GROCERIES
AND COMPETING LIKE THAT,
BECAUSE TARGET TOLD ME, YOU
KNOW, THEY ARE OFFERING
PRODUCE, THEY ARE OFFERING
GRAB AND GO, OFFERING THESE
MEALS, AND SNACKS, AND WELL,
THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT HANIFORD
DOES AS WELL.
CITY MANAGER DOESN'T THINK
THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
HE COMPARED IT TO WHEN HEALTHY
LIVING AND TRADER JOE'S, THAT
DISCUSSION WAS COMING UP,
WHETHER THOSE WOULD COMPETE.
HE SAYS THAT TARGET WILL
LIKELY DRAW PEOPLE TO COMPLEX
WHO WOULD NOT NORMALLY COME,
AND THAT COULD BE A GOOD THING
FOR HANIFORD IN THE LONG RUN.
HE THINKS IT WILL BE A
WIN-WIN.
>> Darren: A LOT OF PEOPLE
WERE WONDERING, WHY NOT KMART?
I MEAN, WE HAD THE HUGE EMPTY
SPACE RIGHT OFF SHELLBURN
ROAD.
WHY NOT THERE?
>> THAT'S BECAUSE HANIFORD
PARENT COMPANY ACTUALLY OWNS
THAT SPOT.
OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T WANT A
TARGET COMING IN TO COMPETE
WITH THEM, IF THEY COULD HELP
IT.
PLUS, THEY ALSO HAVE PLANS FOR
THAT COMPLEX.
THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR OWN
LARGER SUPER HANIFORD THERE.
THAT'S UNDERWAY AT THIS POINT.
>> Darren: ANY IDEA ON JOBS?
HOW MANY JOBS THIS COULD
CREATE?
>> TARGET SAID IT'S ADDING 75
JOBS SHALL AND THEY SAY
MINIMUM WAGE RIGHT NOW, ABOUT
$11 AN HOUR.
THEY DO MAKE THAT UP TO 15 BY
THE END OF 2020, THEY SAID.
>> Darren: SOCIAL MEDIA BLEW
UP.
>> IT DID.
HUGE ON FACEBOOK.
AND I THINK THAT'S TELLING OF
HOW MUCH PEOPLE WERE CLAMORING
FOR A TARGET HERE.
WE GOT, JUST ON OUR POST, MORE
THAN 4200 SHARES, I BELIEVE 75
HUNDRED REACTIONS, AND 2300
COMMENTS.
THIS WAS THE TALK OF THE DAY,
THAT DAY.
EVERYBODY SAID THERE'S A
TARGET, OH, MY GOSH! SO
DEFINITELY INTERESTING TO SEE
WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE ON OUT.
>> Darren: THANKS FOR YOUR
REPORTING, APPRECIATE IT.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Darren: STILL AHEAD, SCHOOL
PRIVACY VERSUS PARENTS'
RIGHTS.
SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEE
SURVEILLANCE VIDEO OF YOUR
KIDS?
WCAX INVESTIGATE.
AND ONE-ON-ONE WITH
BURLINGTON'S MAYOR.
A LAWSUIT CHALLENGES THE CITY
OVER THE REMOVAL OF HOMELESS
CAMPS.
HIS REACTION NEXT.
\M\M
>> Darren: BIG DECISIONS BEING
MADE IN BURLINGTON.
CITY IN THE MIDDLE OF A
LAWSUIT OVER SHUTTING DOWN
HOMELESS CAMPS.
PLUS, WHAT TO DO WITH
BURLINGTON TELECOM?
OUR PRISCILLA LIGUORI SAT DOWN
WITH THE MAYOR TO TALK ABOUT
THAT, AND WHETHER HE'S RUNNING
AGAIN.
>> PRISCILLA LIVING OR --
LIVING -- PRISCILLA LIGUORI
WITH MAYOR WEINBERGER.
>> THANKS FOR COMING IN TO
TALK ABOUT THIS.
>> IT IS A BIG WEEK.
MONDAY, CITY COUNCIL IS VOTING
ON THE FINAL BIDDERS FOR
BURLINGTON TELECOM, PEOPLE ARE
SAYING KEEP TELECOM LOCAL.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> WELL, THAT IS THE MAIN
EVENT FOR MONDAY NIGHT,
SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING
TO IN SOME WAYS FOR A LONG
TIME, FOR YEARS.
WE HAVE CHANCE WITH ONE OF THE
PROPOSALS TO ENSURE THAT
BURLINGTON AND MUCH OF THE
CHITTENDEN COUNTY AREA HAVE
ACCESS TO VERY FAST,
HIGH-QUALITY, BY WHICH I MEAN
GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE,
INTERNET SERVICE FOR THE
FORESEEABLE FUTURE AT A REALLY
AFFORDABLE LEVEL.
WE ALSO HAVE A CHANCE TO GET
BACK MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
VALUE FOR THE TAXPAYERS, MONEY
THAT HAD BEEN LOST THROUGH THE
INAPPROPRIATELY SPENT MONEY
PRE-2010.
>> ANOTHER CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC
IN THE QUEEN CITY IS SHUTTING
DOWN HOMELESS CAMPS.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE THE
ONE ON NORTH AVENUE?
WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THE
CURRENT LAWSUIT?
>> IT'S A REALLY TOUGH ISSUE,
PRISCILLA.
CERTAINLY BURLINGTON'S
APPROACH, MY APPROACH IS TO
DEAL AS COMPASSIONATELY AS WE
CAN WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING
THROUGH PERIODS OF
HOMELESSNESS.
WE'VE ADVOCATED HARD FOR
EXPANSION OF SERVICES.
THE ISSUE WITH THE NORTH
AVENUE ENCAMPMENT AND SOME OF
THE OTHERS WE HAVE BEEN
TALKING ABOUT IN RECENT WEEKS
IS THAT SOMETIMES THESE
INFORMAL ENCAMPMENTS GROW, AND
BECOME EITHER A THREAT TO
PUBLIC SAFETY, OR A REAL
DANGER TO THE OCCUPANTS OF THE
CAMP.
AS PEOPLE TRY TO UNDERSTAND
WHY IS THE CITY TAKING THESE
ACTIONS, I ASK PEOPLE TO
REMEMBER THE TERRIBLE VIOLENCE
WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THESE
ENCAMPMENTS IN RECENT YEARS.
WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF
HOMICIDES TAKE PLACE IN THESE

ENCAMPMENTS.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S
RESPONSIBLE AS A CITY WHEN WE
BECOME AWARE OF PROBLEMATIC
CONDITIONS TO LET THESE
ENCAMPMENTS UNLAWFULLY
CONTINUE.
>> AS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF
PEOPLE DO CONGREGATE ON CHURCH
STREET.
YOU MENTIONED THE SHELTER IS
NOT OPENING FOR A COUPLE
WEEKS.
THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAID THE
HOMELESS SHELTERS ARE FULL.
WHERE DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO
GO?
>> WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT WITH
EACH INDIVIDUAL.
AGAIN, WE SEND CITY STAFF OUT
TO CONSULT WITH PEOPLE, MAKE
SURE THEY ARE AWARE OF THEIR
OPTIONS.
THERE ARE OPENINGS THAT OPEN
UP IN THESE SHELTERS AND OTHER
OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IT'S
ALWAYS A FLUID SITUATION, SO
SOMETIMES THROUGH THE CITY'S
WORK AND COORDINATION, WE ARE
ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE FIND
BETTER HOUSING SITUATIONS,
SOMETIMES WHEN REQUIRED TO
MOVE ON, INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE
TO FIND OTHER THROUGH THEIR
OWN RESOURCES, OTHER
OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT WE DO -- I WANT TO BE
CLEAR, PRISCILLA, I THINK WE
NEED MORE.
WE NEED THIS SHELTER TO BE
YEAR-ROUND FACILITY.
WE ALSO NEED A SUBSTANTIAL
RETURN TO THE KIND OF MENTAL
HEALTH SYSTEM THAT WE USED TO
HAVE, WHERE FOR PEOPLE WHO
NEEDED RESIDENTIAL SERVICES,
WE HAD OPTIONS FOR THEM.
WE HAVE LOST HUNDREDS AND
HUNDREDS OF BEDS IN VERMONT
THAT USED TO BE AVAILABLE TO
PEOPLE STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL
HEALTH DISORDERS, AND I THINK
UNTIL WE RETURN TO SOMETHING
LIKE THAT WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH THIS
ISSUE.
>> MOVING ON, YOUR SECOND TERM
HAS FLOWN BY.
WE HAVE TO ASK, ARE YOU GOING
TO BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION?
>> PRISCILLA, I HAVE BEEN
CLEAR ON THIS.
I THINK I HAVE GOT MORE WORK
TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE OF
BURLINGTON.
I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO DO IT.
I FEEL VERY FORTUNATE THAT I
HAVE GOT TO SERVE IN THIS
ROLE, AND I DO INTEND TO BE A
CANDIDATE IN MARCH, AND I
THINK THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE
IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING OUR
HOUSING ISSUES, MORE TO BE
DONE IN TERM OF MOVING TOWARDS
BEING A NET ZERO CITY, WE HAVE
MADE STEPS WITH THE EARLY
LEARNING INITIATIVE IN THIS
YEAR'S BUDGET, BUT I WANT TO
BE AROUND TO SEE THAT
IMPLEMENTED.
>> WHY SHOULD PEOPLE VOTE FOR
YOU AGAIN?
>> UM, WELL, I THINK PEOPLE
SHOULD LOOK HARD AT THE RECORD
THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED OVER
THE LAST FIVE AND A HALF
YEARS.
FIVE YEARS AGO WE WERE ON THE
EDGE OF JUNK BOND STATUS.
FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, AND WE
HAVE OUR A-CREDIT RATING BACK
WITH A POSITIVE OUTLOOK ON OUR
WAY BACK TO A DOUBLE A RATING.
WE HAVE TOTALLY REBUILT AND
BROUGHT NEW LIFE TO THE
NORTHERN WATERFRONT.
OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AFTER THE
76% OF THE VOTERS SUPPORTED A
$50 MILLION PLAN LAST FALL IS
IMPROVING FOR THE FIRST TIME
IN A LONG TIME.
AND WE ARE DAYS AWAY FROM
BREAKING GROUND ON A PROJECT
THAT, A SINGLE PROJECT WILL
CREATE 274 MUCH-NEEDED HOMES.
>> ALL RIGHT, MAYOR WEINBERGER
BEING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
JOINING US.
>> THANK YOU, PRISCILLA.
ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH
YOU.
>> Darren: TIME NOW TO HEAD TO
THE CHANNEL 3 NEWSROOM TO SEE
WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE
WEEKEND.
HEY, SCOTT!
>> HEY, DARREN.
COMING UP IN A FEW MINUTES ON
THE WEEKEND, I HAVE A FEATURE,
VERY INTERESTING STORY COMING
OUT ABOUT THE SILVER INDUSTRY
IN VERMONT, THE NUMBERS ARE
UP.
ESPECIALLY WOMEN IN THE SILVER
INDUSTRY.
GREAT NEWS, BUT THERE'S STILL
MORE WORK TO DO.
AGAIN, I WILL HAVE THAT
FEATURE COMING UP.
ANOTHER GORGEOUS WEEKEND ON
TAP.
DAVE BUSH WILL HAVE THE
COMPLETE FORECAST FOR THE
WEEKEND, AND OF COURSE THE
UPCOMING WORKWEEK.
THAT'S ALL COMING UP IN JUST A
FEW MINUTES, DARREN.
>> Darren: SEE YOU THEN,
SCOTT, THANK YOU.
UP NEXT, A SCHOOL FIGHT CAUGHT
ON CAMERA.
SO WHY CAN'T THE PARENTS SEE
IT?
WCAX INVESTIGATES AFTER THE
BREAK.
>>> MANY VERMONT MIDDLE AND
HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE SOME SORT OF
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE ON CAMPUS.
WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS AS
PARENTS WHEN IT COMES TO
VIEWING THE FOOTAGE IF YOUR
KID IS CAUGHT ON CAMERA?
WE ASKED OUR JENNIFER COSTA TO
INVESTIGATE.
>> A FIGHT IN THE HALLS OF
THIS HIGH SCHOOL.
>> THERE WAS AN ASSAULT.
SHE WAS THROWN DOWN A FLIGHT
OF STAIRS BY ANOTHER CHILD.
>> THE PUSHING MATCH CAUGHT ON
CAMERA AT LAMOILLE UNION HIGH.
CHEYENNE MASON, 15-YEAR-OLD,
SUFFERED A CONCUSSION.
HER MOM WANTS TO SEE THE
VIDEO.
>> THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY
COULD NOT RELEASE THE
INFORMATION TO ME.
>> OUR POSITION IS THAT WE
DON'T DISCLOSE VIDEO.
>> THIS MOM WAS SHOCKED BY THE
DISTRICT'S DENIAL AND CALLED
US FOR HELP.
>> MY CHILD WAS IN THAT VIDEO.
>> WE WANTED TO FIGURE OUT WHY
VICTORIA MASON WAS BARRED FROM
REVIEWING THE FOOTAGE WITH THE
SCHOOL'S PRINCIPAL.
WE WENT TO LAMOILLE NORTH
SUPERVISORY UNION FOR ANSWERS.
>> IF SOMETHING QUESTIONABLE
IS CAPTURED ON SCHOOL
SURVEILLANCE VIDEO --
>> UM MUM.
>> IT INVOLVES TWO STUDENTS.
DO THE STUDENTS INVOLVED HAVE
A RIGHT TO SEE IT?
>> NO.
>> WHY NOT?
>> WELL, UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD
REQUIRE RELEASES FROM FAMILY
MEMBERS, AND THERE ARE
POTENTIALLY LIKELY, AS I
MENTIONED WITH VIDEO, OTHER
STUDENTS PRESENT.
>> DO FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE A
RIGHT TO SEE IT?
>> NOPE.
>> SO STUDENTS DON'T HAVE A
RIGHT TO SEE IT BECAUSE IT
WOULD REQUIRE RELEASES FROM
FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT FAMILY
MEMBERS DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO
SEE IT, EITHER.
>> SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO
PROTECT THE PRIVACY RIGHTS OF
ALL STUDENTS.
>> CATHERINE GALLAGHER POINTS
TO A FEDERAL LAW CALLED FAMILY
EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS AND PRIVACY
ACT.
IT KEEPS PERSONALLY
IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION IN
YOUR CHILD'S EDUCATION RECORD
SAFE FROM PRYING EYES.
THE SUPERINTENDENT TELLS US
THAT IS WHY SHE ONLY ALLOWS
SCHOOL OFFICIAL TO SEE THESE
RECORDINGS.
>> AS A PARENT, CAN YOU SEE
THE FRUSTRATION, IF A CHILD
COMES HOME INJURED, A PARENT
WANTS TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
ABSOLUTELY.
>> I WOULD THINK THAT BEING A
PARENT WE WOULD HAVE THOSE
RIGHTS TO AT LEAST SEE OUR
CHILDREN.
>> MASON IS CONVINCED LAMOILLE
NORTH IS MISINTERPRETING THE
LAW.
WE CHECKED WITH THE STATE.
VERMONT CONSIDERS VIDEO
SURVEILLANCE AN EDUCATIONAL
RECORD, PROTECTED UNDER FERPA,
BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LAW,
WE ALSO REALIZED THERE ARE PRO
TESHGSS FOR PARENTS.
>> -- PROTECTIONS FOR PARENTS.
>> SOMETHING MAY BE AN
EDUCATION AL RECORD, BUT A
PARENT HAS A RIGHT TO ACCESS
EDUCATIONAL RECORDS.
>> JERRY O'NEAL A FORMER
FEDERAL PROSECUTOR AND CURRENT
LEGAL ANALYST.
WE ASKED HIM TO LOOK AT THE
HIGH SCHOOL SURVEILLANCE
PROCEDURES, WHICH SAY PARENTS
AND STUDENTS WILL NOT HAVE
ACCESS TO THE SECURITY SYSTEM
OR ITS RECORDINGS.
>> IT IS JUST WRONG.
DEPENDS UPON THE
CIRCUMSTANCES.
>> IT MULTIPLE KIDS ARE CAUGHT
ON CAMERA, LIKE IN CHEYENNE'S
CASE, THE VERMONT AGENCY OF ED
TELLS US SCHOOLS CAN LEGALLY
SHARE THE RECORDING WITH A
CONCERNED PARENT BY REDACTING
OR BLURRING IDENTITIES OF THE
OTHER STUDENTS.
PARENTS MAY HAVE TO FOOT THE
BILL FOR THAT.
>> YOUR CHILD, YOUR CHILD
ALONE, OR YOUR CHILD THAT CAN
BE ISOLATED, OR YOUR CHILD
WITH A TEACHER, SOMEONE ELSE
THAT'S NOT A STUDENT, YOU GET
TO SEE IT.
>> THIS SUPERINTENDENT SEES IT
DIFFERENTLY.
WE POSED SEVERAL SCENARIOS,
INCLUDING A TEACHER ABUSING A
CHILD.
>> COULD THE PARENT SEE THE
VIDEO IN QUESTION?
>> NO.
>> SO YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT
THE PUBLIC JUST HAS TO TRUST
THE SCHOOL IS GOING TO DO THE
RIGHT THING?
>> I BELIEVE THE SCHOOLS DO
THE RIGHT THING.
>> THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS I
CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT
WOULD TAKE FOR THIS DISTRICT
TO GIVE THE MASONS PEACE OF
MIND.
>> SUBPOENA OR COURT ORDER.
>> WITHOUT THE MONEY FOR A
LAWYER, THIS MOM SAID SHE WILL
NEVER FIND OUT WHAT REALLY
HAPPENED THAT DAY.
>> BECAUSE THEY ARE HIDING
BEHIND THE CONFIDENTIALITY.
>> Darren: JENNIFER JONES ME
NOW.
THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> SURE.
>> Darren: ALL RIGHT.
SO YOU ALSO FOUND OUT THAT
THIS VIDEO WASN'T JUST KEPT
WITHIN THE SCHOOL AFTER ALL,
RIGHT?
>> RIGHT.
AND THIS IS THE REALLY TRICKY
PART.
AND THE PART THAT WE REALLY
FIND IRONIC, THAT WE
DISCOVERED THAT POLICE AND
PROSECUTORS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
SEE THE FOOTAGE, SO THE
LAMOILLE COUNTY SHERIFF TELLS
ME HIS RESOURCE OFFICER DOWN
AT THE SCHOOL JUST GAVE IT TO
HIM, NO SUBPOENA, WHICH IS AN
EDUCATIONAL RECORD, AS THEY
HAVE ALL BEEN TELLING US,
HANDING IT OVER TO ANYONE,
INCLUDING POLICE, IS NOT
ALLOWED.
THERE'S NO FERPA EXCEPTION FOR
LAW ENFORCEMENT.
LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THAT CASE
IS STILL CONSIDERED A
THIRD-PARTY, AND, YOU NO HE,
DARREN, A LAWYER TELLS ME --
YOU KNOW, DARREN, A LAWYER
TELLS ME IT APPEARS THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT IS TRYING TO HAVE IT
BOTH WAYS.
THEY ARE TELLING THE PARENTS,
NO, WE CAN'T RELEASE IT TO YOU
BECAUSE YOU ARE A THIRD-PARTY,
AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE
RIGHTS OF THE OTHER CHILDREN
IN THE VIDEO, WELL, THEN, THAT
SAME CONSIDERATION SHOULD
APPLY TO ANYONE, INCLUDING LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
AND I DID MAKE SURE IN THE
STATUTE THAT MAYBE THERE'S
SOME SORT OF OUT FOR POLICE IN
AN INVESTIGATION.
AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING.
IN FACT, ANOTHER LAWYER THAT I
SPOKE TO FOR THE DISTRICT TOLD
ME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE FUNNY
THING WITH THIS, IS THAT
SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HARD FOR
EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT TO GET
THESE RECORDS.
THAT'S HOW PROTECTED THEY ARE.
IN THIS CASE, CLEARLY THEY
JUST GOT IT.
>> INTERESTING.
SO HAVE YOU HEARD FROM THE
FAMILY?
OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS ANOTHER
CHILD, AT LEAST ONE CHILD
INVOLVED IN THIS VIDEO THAT
THIS MOM HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO
SEE.
WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS ON THE
OTHER SIDE, THE OTHER KIDS'
PARENTS INVOLVED HERE?
>> I DID.
SO RIGHT BEFORE THE STORY
AIRED, I GOT A PHONE CALL, AND
THE WOMAN IDENTIFIED HERSELF
AS THE MOM ON THE OTHER END OF
THE FIGHT.
SO HER DAUGHTER WAS THE OTHER
PERSON INVOLVED IN THE
ALTERCATION WITH CHEYENNE.
AND SHE SAID I WANT TO LET YOU
KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE THING
THAT BOTH OF US MOMS AGREE ON,
IS I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET
THE VIDEO, EITHER.
I WANT TO SEE IT, TOO.
SHE SAID I HAVE MULTIPLE
LETTERS AND CORRESPONDENCE
INTO THE SCHOOL TO TRY TO SEE
IT, TOO.
SO SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE.
I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT,
EITHER.
AND WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING
THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT,
THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS,
IS JUST HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TO
PROTECT IN TERMS OF PRIVACY.
SO IF YOUR CHILD IS INVOLVED
IN AN ALTERCATION, SOME SORT
OF FIGHT WITH ANOTHER KID AT
SCHOOL, AS THAT PARENT, YOU
ARE NORTH EVEN ALLOWED TO KNOW
-- NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO KNOW
WHO THE OTHER CHILD IS,
BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE
PERSONALLY IDENTIFYING
INFORMATION.
NOW, OF COURSE, IT IS A LITTLE
SILLY, BECAUSE THE CHILD KNOWS
WHO THEY WERE IN A FIGHT WITH,
AND THEY TELL, YOU KNOW, MOM
OR DAD, LIKE THIS IS WHO IT
WAS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SAY IT WAS A
SITUATION WHERE A KID IS
WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAY AND
JUMPED FROM BEHIND, AND THEY
NEVER SEE WHO ACTUALLY DID IT.
I MEAN, THAT MUST BE REALLY
UNSETTLING TO NEVER KNOW.
>> Darren: WHAT ABOUT A
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OR ANY
KIND OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION
BEING TAKEN BY THE SCHOOL?
EITHER HAPPENING?
>> YEAH.
SO WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE
SCHOOL.
THE SCHOOL CANNOT DISCLOSE
DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS TAKEN
AGAINST THE STUDENT.
BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE'S A
CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, AND
THAT'S WHY THE LAMOILLE COUNTY
SHERIFF WAS LOOKING INTO IT.
SO ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF
AFTER THE INCH -- INCIDENT ON
OCTOBER 6TH, THERE IS A
REPORT, WE GOT A COPY OF IT,
FROM THE LAMOILLE COUNTY
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND
BASICALLY THE SCHOOL RESOURCE
OFFICER MET WITH THE PRINCIPAL
INVOLVING THIS INCIDENT, AND
RIGHT IN THIS REPORT, WHICH IS
HOW I KNEW THAT THEY SAW THE
VIDEO, IT SAYS "BOTH STUDENTS
ARE ACCEPTING THEIR ROLE IN
THE INTERACTION, VIDEO
EVIDENCE SHOWS THE
INTERACTION, HOWEVER, THERE IS
NOT AUDIO TO CONFIRM WHAT WAS
SAID.
THE VIDEO WAS REVIEWED BY BOTH
LAMOILLE COUNTY SHERIFF'S
DEPARTMENT AND LATER BY PAUL
FINITY AT THE LAMOILLE COUNTY
STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO PROSECUTORS HAVE SEEN IT,
POLICE HAVE SEEN IT.
IN TALKING TO THE PROSECUTOR,
YOU KNOW, HE DID -- WHAT HE
DECIDED TO DO IS, HE THOUGHT
PROBABLE CAUSE EXISTED FOR
SOME SORT OF CRIMINAL CHARGE,
SO BOTH CHILDREN WERE CITED
WITH, I BELIEVE, DISORDERLY
CONDUCT, AND REFERRED TO A
PRE-CHARGE COURT DIVERSION
PROGRAM.
AND HE SAID, YOU NO HE,
THERE'S NO AUDIO -- YOU KNOW,
THERE'S NO AUDIO IN THE VIDEO,
THEY ARE IN THE SIDE OF THE
FRAME, AND THAT WAS THE
ALLEGATION, THAT THIS KIND OF
STARTED OVER A NAME-CALLING
INCIDENT, AND HE SAID I CAN'T
PROVE THAT EITHER WAY, BECAUSE
WHILE IT'S GREAT THAT I HAVE
THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO,
THERE'S NO AUDIO.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COST.
YOU MENTIONED THAT SOME
PARENTS WOULD HAVE TO FOOT THE
BILL IF THEY WANTED TO SEE
THIS VIDEO, KIDS WOULD HAVE TO
BE REDACTED OR BLURRED IN SOME
WAY.
ANY IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD SET
FOLKS BACK IN -- IF THEY
WANTED TO GET THEIR HANDS ON
IT?
>> I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY,
BUT I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN A
REMEDY OTHER COURTS HAVE
LOOKED AT.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A CASE THAT
WENT TO COURT IN UTAH, AND
THAT WAS THE END RESULT, IS
THAT -- AND THAT'S WHY I THINK
THE STATE OF VERMONT SAYS THIS
IS AN AVENUE THAT PARENTS CAN
GO DOWN, YOU CAN REDACT IT,
BUT IT IS NOT ON THE SCHOOL TO
FOOT THE BILL.
SO WHAT I HAVE SEEN IS,
ROUGHLY LIKE $150 TO 250 TO DO
THAT.
SO REALLY JUST BOILS DOWN TO
HOW MUCH AS A PARENT YOU WANT
TO SEE THIS VIDEO, AND
UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS CASE,
IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GET A
LAWYER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE,
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN JUST
WORK WITH YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT
TO GET IT REDACTED, AND GO
THAT OPTION.
>> Darren: I AM CERTAIN AFTER
YOUR REPORT SOME SCHOOLS WILL
BE LOOKING AT THEIR POLICY.
JENNIFER COSTA, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.
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