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June 3, 2012 -- Vermont National Guard Commander Major Gen. Michael Dubie joins Kristin Carlson and Darren Perron to discuss his promotion to Deputy Commander of the Northern Command.


>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. I'M KRISTIN CARLSON. OUR NEWSMAKER THIS MORNING IS MAJOR GENERAL MICHAEL DUBIE.

>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROMOTION. YOU'RE HEADED TO COLORADO. WHAT'S GOING ON?

>> WELL, I WAS NOMINATED BY THE PRESIDENT AND CONFIRMED BY THE SENATE TO BE THE DEPUTY COMMANDER OF THE U.S. NORTHERN COMMAND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'LL ALSO BE THE VICE-COMMANDER OF THE U.S. ELEMENT OF NORAD, THE NORTH AMERICAN AEROSPACE DEFENSE COMMAND, SO YOU DO BOTH JOBS SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND THAT'S IN COLORADO SPRINGS. SO IT'S A PRETTY EXCITING TIME. IT'S BITTERSWEET BECAUSE YOU TWO KNOW HOW MUCH I LOVE THE VERMONT GOD AND LOVE VERMONT, BUT WE SEE IT AS OUR DUTY TO GO, MY WIFE AND I ARE READY, AND WE'LL LEAVE LATE SUMMER.

>> THIS IS A MAJOR PROMOTION WITHIN THE MILITARY. YOU BASICALLY HAVE THE NO. 2 POSITION, AND THIS IS A HOMELAND DEFENSE MISSION; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> WHAT WILL YOU BE DOING?

>> WELL, THE COMMAND, NORTHERN COMMAND, WAS SET UP IN 2002, FOLLOWING SEPTEMBER 11th, TO REALLY CODIFY THE -- AND TO ORGANIZE AND COORDINATE THE DEFENSE OF NORTH AMERICA. THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN AIR DEFENSE PROTECTION THAT VERMONT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN WITH THEIR F-16 FOR YEARS AND YEARS, BUT IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AS OPPOSED TO SEPTEMBER 11th EVALUATION THAT WE NEEDED TO COORDINATE BETTER FOR DEFENSE OF NORTH AMERICA. SO THE COMMAND REALLY DRAWS ON FORCES ALL AROUND THE UNITED STATES, BUT ALSO IT'S TIED IN WITH CANADA AND MEXICO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE MISSION REALLY IS TO ANTICIPATE, PREPARE, AND THEN, IF NECESSARY, RESPOND TO AGGRESSION AGAINST THE UNITED STATES OR ITS INTERESTS. AND REALLY WHAT THE JOB BOILS DOWN TO IS PROTECTING AMERICA. AND IT'S A BIG JOB. I'M HUMBLED THAT I'VE BEEN SELECTED FOR THIS JOB. I TAKE IT VERY AND EVEN FOLLOWING FLOODING AFTER TROPICAL STORM IRENE -- PART OF THE PROBLEM IS TO SUPPLY MILITARY FORCES IF THERE IS, SAY, A NATURAL DISASTER. SO IT'S A BIG JOB.

>> IT IS A BIG JOB. IT WAS FORMED IN 2002 POST-9/11. WE HAVEN'T HAD A MAJOR ATTACK ON U.S. SOIL SINCE THEN. DOES THAT WORRY YOU?

>> YES. I MEAN, I THINK -- THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, THAT THE REASON WE HAVEN'T HAD A MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK AGAINST THE UNITED STATES SINCE SEPTEMBER 11th IS BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE, PROFESSIONALS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE DISRUPTING AND TRYING TO PREVENT A FUTURE ATTACK. BUT THE TERRORISTS ONLY HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT ONCE; WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT ALL THE TIME. IT'S A DANGEROUS WORLD OUT THERE. WE'VE GOT TO BE CANDID THAT THERE ARE TRANSNATIONAL THREATS, THERE ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE, WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB, A WORLD EFFORT OF DISMANTLING SOME OF AL-QAEDA AND THE WORLDWIDE NETWORK, BUT NOW IT'S MET AFT SIZED INTO SMALL GROUPS -- METACE TA SIZED INTO SMALL GROUPS THAT ARE SMALL ACTORS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO DETECT AND PREVENT AN ATTACK, LIKE EUROPE, WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE HOME-GROWN THREAT, AND I HATE TO EVEN SAY THAT, BUT THE EUROPEANS HAVE EVEN, YOU KNOW, ORGANICALLY OR INTRINSICALLY A BIGGER PROBLEM WITH THE HOME-GROWN THREAT, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS OF THAT IMMEDIATE PROBLEM IN AMERICA, BUT WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO DO US HARM WHO'S HERE RIGHT NOW.

>> HAVE YOU BEEN BRIEFED ON ANY CONCERNS AT THIS POINT? WHAT DO YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF THREATS HERE OR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING TO TAKE THOSE ON?

>> I HAVE NOT BEEN FORMALLY BRIEFED ON MY NEW POSITION, AND THE REASON IS THAT ANYONE WHO GOES THROUGH THE NOMINATION AND CONFIRMATION PROCESS WITH THE U.S. SENATE, WE CAN'T PRESUME THAT YOU'LL BE CONFIRMED, SO YOU WOULDN'T AND I WOULDN'T TAKE ANY ACTION THAT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK TO THE SENATE THAT I WAS THINKING I HAD THE JOB YET. I DO KNOW THERE'S A VERY ROBUST TRAINING PROGRAM THAT I WILL UNDERGO WHEN I GET TO COLORADO, THAT WILL TAKE SEVERAL WEEKS JUST TO BECOME QUALIFIED TO DO THE JOB, AND AT THAT TIME I'LL GET EVEN MORE INFORMATION ON THE THREATS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MOST WORRIED ABOUT. BUT AS GENERAL, WE OFTEN ARE BRIEFED. MY BRIEFING THIS MORNING WAS A SECRET-LEVEL BRIEFING AT CAMP JOHNSON,AND THAT WE WORLDWIDE, LOOK AT ALL THE HOT SPOTS IN THE WORLD, AND WE DO THAT EVERY WEEK OR EVERY TWO WEEKS, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT MYSELF AND MY SENIOR STAFF ARE UPDATED ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD. I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON, AND THERE'S ISSUES.

>> THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL MILITARY CUTS, CHANGING THE ROLE OF THE GUARD. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR NEW ROLE?

>> I THINK THAT -- AS INTERESTED AS I AM IN THE BUDGET, THIS JOB WILL PROBABLY -- I'LL BE LESS INVOLVED WITH THE CUTS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE GEOGRAPHIC COMMANDS AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR BIG PIECES OF THE GLOBE, LIKE NORTHERN COMMAND IS IN CHARGE OF NORTH AMERICA, WE'LL HAVE BUDGET CUTS, BUT I THINK, IN A LARGE PART, THE MILITARY TRIES TO SHIELD SOME OF THOSE COMMANDS FROM SOME OF THE BIG CUTS SO WE CAN GO ON AND DO OUR BUSINESS. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IMPACTED GOING FORWARD. I MEAN, AS AMERICANS, WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC CHALLENGES, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THE 21ST CENTURY MILITARY THAT WE NEED, BUT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THE MONEY FOR, AS A COUNTRY. AND I -- IT'S A VERY COMPLICATEED AND ONGOING DISCUSSION.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS, WHEN YOU WERE HEAD OF THE VERMONT NATIONAL GUARD, WHICH YOU STILL ARE, WE SHOULD SAY, YOU OVERSAW SEVERAL LARGE DEPLOYMENTS, AND I KNOW YOU LOST A LOT OF SLEEP DURING THAT TIME, WORRIED ABOUT THE FAMILIES OF THOSE WHO WERE DEPLOYED. WHAT WILL MAKE YOU LOSE SLEEP IN THIS NEXT JOB?

>> IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF STRESS. I WAS OUT AT PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE FOR AN ADJUTANT GENERAL MATTER THAT GENERAL JACOBBY HAD CALLED, SPENT TWO DAYS LISTENING TO SOME OF THESE THREAT ISSUES THAT THE COMMAND WAS LOOKING AT, AND I LEFT THERE WITH A REAL SENSE OF EXCITEMENT BECAUSE I SAW THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE PEOPLE THAT I MET, BUT I ALSO, WHAT I SAW, WAS A FOCUSED EFFORT BY EVERYONE THERE THAT THIS IS A 24/7, 365 JOB TO PROTECT AMERICA, AND I THINK IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT STRESS THAN I HAD WHEN I HAD, YOU KNOW, LARGE NUMBER OF TROOPS OVERSEAS I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT WERE IN COMBAT EVERY DAY, BUT I THINK THE STRESS HERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROTECT AMERICA. THAT'S THE JOB OF NORTH COM, SO I THINK IT WILL BE STRESSFUL, BUT I THINK IT ALSO HAD BE VERY GRATIFYING TO KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS, JUST LIKE WE FEEL HERE IN THE VERMONT GUARD WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT NORTH AMERICA.

>> TAKE US THROUGH THE NOMINATION AND CONFIRMATION PROCESS. IT WAS QUICK. YOU WERE REALLY FAST-TRACKED IN THIS EFFORT. IT WAS ONLY TWO WEEKS; RIGHT?

>> THE TIMING BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT'S NOMINATION AND CONFIRMATION WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS, WHICH IS WHAT I HEAR IS RECORD TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE JUST GOOD TIMING ON MY PART. I, YOU KNOW, I DO KNOW THAT IT NEVER HURTS TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE SENATOR SANDERS AND SENATOR LEAHY THAT ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU, AND I FEEL VERY BLESSED. EVERYONE KNOWS I'M FROM HERE, I LOVE VERMONT, VERMONT WILL ALWAYS BE MY HOME AND MY FAMILY'S HOME, AND I ALSO LOVE THE FACT THAT WE ALL WORK TOGETHER. SENATOR HAYLEY NOMINATED BY BROTHER BRIAN TO THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY, AND THREE DECADES LATER HE'S STILL WATCHING OUT FOR THE DUBIES, LIKE HE WATCHES OUT FOR ALL VERMONTERS. I WAS WITH SENATOR SANDERS FOR MEMORIAL DAY EVENTS, SO I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WERE RUNNING TOP COVER FOR ME AT THE U.S. SENATE.

>> TELL US HOW THE NOMINATION HAPPENED TO BEGIN WITH.

>> WELL, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO I WAS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AND I WAS PULLED ASIDE BY A SENIOR GENERAL FROM THE PENTAGON WHO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR, AND HE SAID THAT THE POSITION IN COLORADO WOULD BE BECOMING AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE, AND HE THOUGHT THAT I WOULD BE A GOOD MATCH FOR THE JOB BECAUSE OF MY BACKGROUND. HE SAID, "I THINK YOU OUGHT TO CONSIDER WHEN THE JOB BECOMES AVAILABLE, TO APPLY FOR THE JOB." AND THAT'S HOW THESE THINGS WORK, YOU KNOW. SO I SPOKE WITH GOVERNOR SHUMLIN, I WENT TO SEE HIM, AND WE HAD A REALLY NICE MEETING, AND HE -- I THINK IT'S OKAY IF I SAY THIS, BECAUSE I THINK HE WILL REPEAT IT: HE TOLD ME THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY WANT ME TO LEAVE BUT HE WOULD SUPPORT ME. SO WE SUBMITTED KIND OF AN APPLICATION, AND THEN AFTER THAT IT GOES INTO THE PENTAGON, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU -- I DON'T KNOW THE INNER WORKINGS OF HOW I WENT THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS, BUT I WAS TOLD THERE WERE A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT WERE COMPETING, AND THEN THE PRESIDENT NOMINATED ME. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE WHOLE THING.

>> AND IT'S, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT'S RARE FOR A NATIONAL GUARD MEMBER TO BE SELECTED FOR THIS ROLE.

>> THE -- IN 2008 THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT THAT WAS LED BY THE SENATE -- WELL, THE SENATE GUARD CAUCUS HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT, INCLUDING SENATOR LEAHY, WHERE IT SAID THAT A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL GUARD SHOULD BE IN ONE OF THE TOP ROLES IN THE NORTH COM COMMAND STRUCTURE. SO I'LL BE THE THIRD NATIONAL GUARD OFFICER THAT'S BEEN SELECTED TO BE IN THE ROLE THAT I'M GOING INTO. ACTUALLY IT IS A GREAT HONOR FOR MYSELF AND A GREAT HONOR FOR THE FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD.

>> WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK,

>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE. OUR NEWSMAKER AND GUEST THIS MORNING IS ADJUTANT GENERAL MICHAEL DUBIE. HE HAS BEEN PROMOTED TO NORTH COM.

>> YOU HAVE LED THE VERMONT NATIONAL GUARD, HUGE DEPLOYMENTS, THE LARGEST CALLUP SINCE WORLD WAR II WHEN OUR TROOPS WENT TO AFGHANISTAN. DID YOU EVER ANTICIPATE THAT THIS THAT WOULD HAPPEN? WHAT WAS THAT LIKE, AS LEADER OF THE GUARD IN SUCH A SMALL STATE?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE VERMONT NATIONAL GUARD IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE ENTIRE NATIONAL GUARD ACROSS AMERICA THAT IS COMPLETELY TRANSITIONED TO THE OPERATIONAL FORCE. WE USED TO BE IN THIS STRATEGIC-RESERVE POSITION THAT WE'RE ONLY CALLED UP ON THE BIG ONE, SO TO SPEAK. AND, YOU KNOW, THE GUARD, THE VERMONT GUARD, HAS BEEN A LEADING ROLE IN IRAN, AFGHANISTAN, WE'VE HAD PRETTY LARGE DEPLOYMENTS TO SAUDI ARABIA, QATAR, THE UAE, SO WE'VE BEEN USED IN A WAY THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE EVER ANTICIPATED, AND I DON'T THINK AMERICA WILL GO BACK TO PUTTING US, THE GUARD, BACK ON THE SHELF, AND WE JUST REPRESENT A FORCE THAT IS GOOD FOR AMERICA. YOU KNOW, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE MATURE THAN, SAY, THE ACTIVE-DUTY FORCE. SOME OF THE AGE OF THE PEOPLE WHEN YOU VISITED GANN, YOU SAW WE HAVE -- IN AFGHANISTAN, YOU SAW WE HAVE SOME SENIOR PEOPLE.

>> PEOPLE IN THEIR 60s.

>> SOME PEOPLE IN THEIR 60s. WE APPROACH PROBLEMS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, MAYBE MORE METHODICALLY, AND THAT'S A GOOD THING. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED THIS BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11th, BUT I THINK WE'LL NEVER GO BACK TO THE WAY IT USED TO BE. WITH THE BUDGET CUTS, I THINK THE GUARD IS A COST ADVANTAGE FOR AMERICA.

>> WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE DURING THAT TIME?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK LEADING UP TO THE DEPLOYMENT, WE WERE SO CONCENTRATED ON GETTING OUR PEOPLE TRAINED, EQUIPPED, I WASN'T WORRIED ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP. WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH SUCH GREAT DEPTH IN OUR NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER LEADERSHIP AND OUR OFFICER LEADERSHIP. WE ALSO WERE WORKING HARD AT GETTING THE FAMILY SUPPORT GROUPS READY FOR, YOU KNOW, A YEAR OF PEOPLE BEING GONE. AND THEN WHEN FINALLY OUR TROOPS LEFT FOR AFGHANISTAN, THEN WE WERE KIND OF IN THE WAITING GAME OF SUPPORTING THEM AND THE FAMILIES, BUT ALSO WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BEING KILLED, PEOPLE BEING WOUNDED, AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE SUFFERED GREAT LOSS. AND THEN WE IMMEDIATELY WENT INTO THE NEW PHASE OF WELCOMING THEM HOME AND THEN REINTEGRATING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE BACK NO THEIR FAMILIES, COMMUNITIES, JOBS, AND THE NATIONAL GUARD, AND THAT EFFORT CONTINUES. SO I CAN'T SAY WHAT THE HARDEST PART WAS, BECAUSE TO ME IT ALL KIND OF BLENDS TOGETHER IN THIS KALEIDOSCOPE OF A LOT OF EFFORT, HARD WORK, AND IT CONTINUES TODAY, BUT I SINCERELY THINK THAT WE'RE A BETTER ORGANIZATION FOR THE DEPLOYMENT, AND I THINK IT HELPS US RESPOND IN HURRICANE IRENE.

>> AS YOU MENTION THAT, THE GUARD MEMBERS CAME BACK WITH BATTLE WOUNDS, PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL, WE HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT PTSD, THEY SAW A LOT OF TOUGH COMBAT IN AFGHANISTAN. WHAT YOU HAVE NOTICED AS FAR AS THE MAIN ISSUE GUARD MEMBERS ARE FACING?

>> I WOULD SAY THE GREAT MAJORITY OF OUR PEOPLE ARE BETTER OFF FOR THE DEPLOYMENT, SINCERELY. THEY GOT TO SEE A PART OF THE WORLD, THEY SAW SOME GREAT SUFFERING, BUT THEY GOT A BETTER APPRECIATION OF WHAT AMERICA CAN DO IN OTHER COUNTRIES. I THINK THEY GOT A BETTER APPRECIATION OF THE STATE OF VERMONT, HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS AND HOW MUCH YOU MISS IT. THIS WASN'T THE FIRST DEPLOYMENT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT'S A COMMON THING WHEN YOU LEAVE HERE AND REALIZE HOW MUCH YOU HAVE HERE IN THE STATE OF VERMONT. YOU KNOW, BUT, WE'RE DEALING WITH A MINORITY OF OUR PEOPLE WHO STILL HAVE ISSUES. I WAS DOWN AT THE INTREPID A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, VERY INSPIRING TO SEE THE PROGRESS ED IS MAKING, AND KAREN IS BY HIS SIDE THE WHOLE WAY, BUT HE'S GOT A LONG HAUL. HE WALKED AROUND A TRACK WITH ME WITH HIM EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, AND TO SEE THE DETERMINATION -- IT DROVE HOME THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THE MATECAS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE WOUNDS THAT WE CAN'T SEE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS IS HARD, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY, BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THOSE ISSUES, AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THE V.A. HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNER TO HELP US TO HELP OUR PEOPLE.

>> HOW LONG DO YOU ENVISION -- IS THIS -- WILL BE A LONG BATTLE, THE BATTLE BACK HOME, IF YOU WILL, TO GET OUR FOLKS BACK IN JOBS. UNEMPLOYMENT WAS A HUGE PROBLEM WHEN THEY FIRST RETURNED, AND PTSD, THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> YOU KNOW, I'M A GLASS HALF FULL KIND OF PERSON. I THINK WE'VE MADE GREAT PROGRESS ON THE JOB FRONT. EVENING THIS -- EVEN THIS MORNING AT THE STAFF MEETING, WE HAD THREE PEOPLE RETURNED OFF THE MEDICAL ROLLS. WE TRACK THIS EVERY DAY, OF EVERY PERSON WHO HAS DEPLOYED AND WHERE THEY ARE MEDICALLY IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, AND WE'RE GETTING BETTER AND BETTER AND BETTER. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES THAT WILL BE CHRONIC, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I'M VERY POSITIVE ON THE JOB FRONT. VERMONT EMPLOYERS HAVE REALLY STEPPED UP AND HIRED A LOT OF OUR PEOPLE. NOT EVERYONE HAS A JOB, BUT WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES SINCE THE REDEPLOYMENT, AND SAME WITH THE MEDICAL PIECE. WE'RE FEELING VERY GOOD. AND WE'LL STAY ON TOP OF IT, BUT I WOULD SAY MY STAFF IS IN THE LEADERSHIP IS FEELING LIKE WE MADE A LOT OF GOOD PROGRESS.

>> HOW MANY GUARD MEMBERS DO YOU STILL HAVE WITH MEDICAL ISSUES?

>> WELL, WE HAVE 57 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW WITH SOME TYPE OF AN ISSUE, BUT SOME OF THEM MAY BE WOUNDED, MAY HAVE HAD A BACK PROBLEM, MAY HAVE BEEN IN AN ACCIDENT AT SOME POINT DURING THAT TIME, SO THEY'RE NOT ALL, YOU KNOW, FROM COMBAT WOUNDS. BUT I'M BEING CAREFUL HERE, BECAUSE I ALWAYS AM SO PARANOID ABOUT HIPPA, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU THE NUMBER.

>> HOW MANY PTSD, WOULD YOU SAY, GENERAL?

>> I CAN'T SAY HOW MANY WITH PTSD. IN FACT, FOR SIX YEARS NOW, WE HAVE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT WE DON'T TRACK THE NUMBERS, AND WE DON'T ASK PEOPLE TO SELF-IDENTIFY, BECAUSE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE V.A. SOME OF OUR PEOPLE ARE BEING TREATED BY US, BUT WE LEARNED A GREAT LESSON THAT WE DON'T WANT TO STIGMA TIES OUR PEOPLE, AND I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A BALLPARK FIGURE. I HAVE A BALLPARK FIGURE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO TALK ABOUT. WE DON'T EVEN USE PTSD AS WE USE POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS. IT'S JUST PART OF A DEPLOYMENT. WE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO COME BACK AND BE REINTEGRATED INTO THE NATIONAL GUARD AND THEIR LIVES, SO IT'S A NEW NORMAL THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A WORSE NORMAL; WE'VE JUST GOT TO MAKE IT A NEW NORMAL.

>> HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THEN THAT PEOPLE AREN'T FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS?

>> MY MEDICAL TEAM HAS A VERY GOOD -- AND THE COMMANDS -- HAVE A VERY GOOD HANDLE ON INDIVIDUALS, AND THAT'S HOW WE -- WE DEAL WITH THIS AT THE LOWEST LEVEL POSSIBLE. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE -- AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WE DID, THE WAY WE HANDLED VIETNAM VETERANS, WE, AS A SOCIETY, DIDN'T HANDLE THEM WITH THE RESPECT AND DIGNITY THAT THEY DESERVED, AND SO WE -- WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY, TO GIVE EVERYONE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED, BUT NOT TO PIGEONHOLE OR LABEL THEM AND PRETEND AND TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY. THESE SOLDIERS ARE AIRMEN, AND WE WANT THEM BACK AS SOLDIERS AND AIRMEN ON THE TEAM.

>> AND IT SOUNDS LIKE AS FAR AS VISIBLE WOUNDED WARRIORS, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER THAT WE FOUND OUT ABOUT LAST FALL WAS ABOUT 200, SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN, YOU SAID 57?

>> RIGHT.

>> AND ARE MOST BEING TREATED AT INTREPID, IN SAN ANTONIO, OR LOCALLY AT THE V.A. HOSPITAL?

>> WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THESE PEOPLE NOW -- EVERY, LIKE, EVERY DAY WE HAVE A SPREAD SHEET THAT SHOWS WHERE THEY'RE AT. WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT WERE AT FORT DRUM, AND THEY HAVE A LOT LESS ARE AT FORT DRUM RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAD SOME AT BETHESDA, SOME AT WALTER REED, WHEN WALTER REED WAS -- THAT WAS ONE OF OUR PLACES THAT WE USED A LOT, AT WEST POINT, HAS A MEDICAL CENTER. SOME WERE DOWN AT FORT DIX -- THEY'RE KIND OF ALL OVER. THE SLIDE WE'VE SHOWN THIS MORNING HAS EVERY ONE OF THEM LISTED AND WHERE THEY'RE AT. SOME ARE ON WHAT WE CALL COMMUNITY HEALTHCARE, THEY'RE BACK AT THEIR HOME, BUT THEY'RE DOING HEALTHCARE CLOSE TO THEIR HOME, AND THAT'S OUR GOAL, IS TO GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THESE MEDICAL -- THESE HOSPITALS OR TREATMENT FACILITIES, AND HAVE THEM COMMUNITY HEALTHCARE. THAT'S OUR GOAL. AND THEN TO BE FIT, BASICALLY.

>> AS THE ADJUTANT GENERAL AND AS A GENERAL, IN GENERAL, IN SUCH A SMALL STATE, YOU HAD A LOT OF ONE-ON-ONE CONTACT AND INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH FOLKS IN THE GUARD. IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE IN THIS NEW ROLE?

>> I BELIEVE I'LL PROBABLY HAVE LESS CONTACT WITH PEOPLE IN THE FIELD, AND THAT'S THE PART OF THE JOB THAT I'LL MISS MOST ABOUT BEING THE ADJUTANT GENERAL. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS. I'LL BE AT FORT DRUM VISITING EVERY UNIT THAT DRILLS, OR DOING THEIR ANNUAL TRAINING, AND IT'S THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY YEAR, IS TO BE ABLE TO VISIT OUR PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE IN THE FIELD, AND I LOOK FORWARD -- I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS SUMMER AS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY BEFORE I MOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE AS MANY MEMBERS OF THE VERMONT GUARD AND THEIR FAMILIES AND SHAKE THEIR HAND AND SAY "THANK YOU."

>> WHAT'S NEXT FOR THE VERMONT NATIONAL GUARD? WHEN WILL THERE BE A NEW LEADER IN PLACE?

>> THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR THAT, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF THE ADJUTANT GENERAL VACATES THE POSITION, LIKE I ANTICIPATE WE'LL DO LATE SUMMER, THEN BRIGADIER GENERAL TOM DREW WILL ASSUME MY DUTIES UNTIL THE LEGISLATURE ELECTS A NEW ADJUTANT GENERAL.

>> SO HE WILL BE FILLING IN FROM AUGUST TO JANUARY?

>> TO FEBRUARY 3RD, TUESDAY IN FEBRUARY, IS THE DATE THEY HAVE THE ELECTION EVERY TWO YEARS. AND THEN AT THAT POINT GENERAL DREW COULD COMPETE OR ASK TO STAY. IT WILL BE UP TO THE LEGISLATURE.

>> WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU HAVE FOR THE NEXT LEADER OF THE GUARD?

>> I AM SO BLESSED TO HAVE SO MANY GREAT LEADERS, WHETHER IT'S GENERAL DREW OR ONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR ME, AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I THINK SHOULD LEAD THE GUARD NEXT, BECAUSE THEY'LL TAKE IT TO A WHOLE NEW LEVEL. AND I LOVE IT, I'VE GIVEN THIS JOB EVERYTHING I HAVE. MY WIFE, MY FAMILY HAS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN IT EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, BUT IT'S TIME FOR SOMEONE NEW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THE VERMONT GUARD TO A NEW LEVEL THAT I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. WE HAVE BIG CHALLENGES. YOU MENTIONED THE BUDGET EARLIER. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF WE DON'T HAVE THE DEPLOYMENTS? THAT'S A GOOD THING BUT ALSO OUR SOLDIERS SIGNED UP BECAUSE WE'RE MOTIVATED TO SERVE, AND WE'VE GOT TO CHALLENGE THEM, KEEP THE JOB RELEVANT, AND KEEP THEM READY FOR WHATEVER AMERICA NEEDS.

>> ADJUTANT GENERAL MICHAEL DUBIE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT THE NEW ROLE YOU'LL BEGIN IN AUGUST.

>> THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>> AND THANKS FOR WATCHING.

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