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YCQM: May 12, 2013

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>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, AND HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY, I'M DARREN PERRON, OUR NEWS MAKER THIS SUNDAY, TIM DONOVAN, HE'S THE CHANCELLOR OF VERMONT STATE COLLEGES. WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.he

>> THANK YOU. PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

>> LET'S BEGIN WITH THE STATE to BUDGET. THE GOVERNOR PUT FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR STATE COLLEGES IN VERMONT, ABOUT 3%.do IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT CERTAINLY MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING. BUT CONSIDERING THAT VERMONT HAS REALLY KIND OF UNDERFUNDED STATE COLLEGES TRADITIONALLY COMPARED TO OTHER STATES IN THE NATION, WHAT'S THE NEWS HERE?

>> WELL, THE NEWS IS, WE'VE TURNED THE CORNER, I HOPE. THIS IS THE FIRST INCREASE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE STATE COLLEGES APPROPRIATION IN FIVE YEARS. IN THE MID-80s WE WERE FUNDED AT ABOUT 50% OF THE COST OF AN EDUCATION AT THE VERMONT STATE COLLEGE WAS COVERED BY THE STATE. THE OTHER 50% BY TUITION. OVER TIME, PARTLY BECAUSE OF LEVEL FUNDING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT ALSO WE'VE MORE THAN DOUBLED THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WE SERVE IN THE STATE COLLEGES. THAT'S BEEN ERODED, WE'RE DOWN TO ABOUT 18% STATE APPROPRIATION AND THE REST IS TUITION. SO WE'RE PLEASED TO SEE THE GOVERNOR RECOMMEND A 3% INCREASE, AND THEN ASKING US IN TURN, BECAUSE AFFORD THE -- AFFORDABILITY IS AN ISSUE FOR ALL OF US, IS TO TRY TO PUT THAT APPROPRIATION TOWARDS INCREASED AID TO VERMONT STUDENTS TO HELP WITH AFFORD THE QUESTION.

>> IS 3% ENOUGH?

>> OF COURSE NOT. I THINK AS A STATE, IT ISN'T WHAT WE WANT TO BE DOING IN TERMS OF OUR INVESTMENT. THIS IS A STATE THAT HAS AMONG THE HIGHEST INVESTMENT IN K-12 EDUCATION IN THE COUNTRY, AND THE LOWEST, IF NOT BY ANY NUMBER OF MEASURES, THE LOWEST INVESTMENT IN EDUCATION BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY. AND AS WE SEE THE EMERGENCE OF THE NEW ECONOMY, WHERE A MAJORITY, IF NOT 60, 65% OF THE JOB OPENINGS IN THIS STATE AND IN THE COUNTRY, IN THE NEXT DECADE, WILL REQUIRE EDUCATION BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL, A CREDENTIAL BEYOND HIGH SCHOOL, I THINK THE STATE REALLY DOES NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE HOW WE SPEND OUR EDUCATION INVESTMENT SO THAT WE REALLY GET THE FULL BENEFIT FOR THE ECONOMY.

>> WHY HAS THE STATE INVESTED SO LITTLE IN HIGHER EDUCATION?

>> I THINK TWO REASONS: I CAME TO THE STATE IN 1976, FROM THE MIDWEST, WHERE EDUCATION FUNDING HAD BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE A RELATIVELY HEALTHY. AND THE CONTRAST WAS STARK TO ME. I THINK THERE'S TWO REASONS: ONE IS IN A STATE WITH LIMITED RESOURCES, THE QUESTION THAT OFTEN COMES UP IN THE LEGISLATURE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO NOT BE ABLE TO FUND EVERYTHING WE WANT TO, THERE'S A SOCIAL SAFETY NET PRIORITY IN THIS STATE, AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THAT EDUCATION HAS ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE, SO A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME EVERY YEAR OVER 30 YEARS KIND OF THAT WORKS IN WHERE WE SAY, WELL, THEY HAVE ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE, THEY CAN INCREASE TUITION AND THEN YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE AT A TIPPING POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T MEAN THAT MUCH TUITION, SO I THINK IT'S HAPPENED VERY GRADUALLY. I REFER TO IT AS AN ACCIDENTAL STATE POLICY. IT WAS UNINTENTIONAL. NOBODY SET OUT 30 YEARS AGO AND SAID LET'S GET TO THE PLACE WE ARE NOW. AND IT WILL TAKE US A LONG TIME TO TURN IT AROUND, BUT IT WILL TAKE A COMMENDMENT BY PUBLIC POLICY LEADERS TO DO THAT.

>> YOU MENTIONED A LOT OF THIS INCREASE WILL GO TOWARDS FINANCIAL AID. TAKING A LOOK AT LINDEN, FOR EXAMPLE, LAST YEAR THE COLLEGE GOT ABOUT 4.5 MILLION FROM THE STATE. ABOUT $4 MILLION OF THAT WENT TO AID FOR STUDENTS. ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT NUMBER TO GO UP AT THESE INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS? CAN YOU SAY THIS MONEY WILL GO TO THIS?

>> WHAT WE'RE ASKING EACH OF OUR COLLEGES TO DO IS TO BE INCREASING THEIR INSTITUTIONAL AID BUDGET TO VERMONT STUDENTS BY AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO WHAT THIS INCREASE IS AT EACH COLLEGE. AND THE INCREASE IS ABOUT $170,000 PER COLLEGE. AND SO, AT LINDEN, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, THEIR INSTITUTIONAL AID HAS -- THEY HAVE BUILT A BIGGER POOL THROUGH FUNDRAISING AND OTHER MECHANISMS FOR INSTITUTIONAL AID, SO THIS COINCIDENTALLY, WHAT THEY PUT INTO INSTITUTIONAL AID FOR IN STATE AND OUT OF STATE IS ABOUT EQUAL TO WHAT THE STATE APPROPRIATION IS. THAT'S NOT A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR THING THEY SET OUT TO DO. THOSE NUMBERS JUST HAPPENED TO BE IN CLOSE ALIGNMENT RIGHT NOW.

>> HOW DO YOU BREAK IT DOWN SO THE STATE GIVES A PERCENTAGE, TUITION PLAYS A ROLE, AND THEN IS IT DONATIONS, IS IT THE ALUMNI THAT YOU COUNT ON TO REALLY --

>> IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE COLLEGE. WHAT WE DO IN THE FIVE STATE COLLEGES, CASTLETON STATE COLLEGE, LINDEN STATE COLLEGE, JOHNSON STATE COLLEGE, STATEWIDE COMMUNITY COLLEGE OF VERMONT AND VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE, WHICH ALSO HAS STATEWIDE FOOTPRINT, EACH OF THOSE COLLEGES, DIFFERENT IN SIZE, DIFFERENT IN PROGRAMS, DIFFERENT IN MIX OF IN-STATE, OUT-OF-STATE STUDENTS, THE APPROPRIATION IS NOT SO LARGE IN THE STATE THAT IT'S WORTH KIND OF GETTING INTO GAMESMANSHIP ABOUT HOW WE DIVIDE IT UP. WE TAKE THAT APPROPRIATION AND DIVIDE BY FIVE. EACH COLLEGE GETS THE SAME $4.5 MILLION. AND AT CASTLETON, THAT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 11% OF THEIR BUDGET. AT LINDEN, IT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 22% OF THEIR BUDGET. SO BUT WE LOOK AT THAT AS PAYING FOR A CORSET OF SERVICES THAT YOU -- A CORE SET OF SERVICES YOU NEED TO HAVE NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE.

>> SOME FOLKS AT HOME MAY BE SAYING HERE WE HAVE A STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM, THE STATE IS NOT REALLY PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE COLLEGE SYSTEM. WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF -- TO THESE SCHOOLS BY BEING PART OF THE NETWORK?

>> I WOULD SAY LET'S ASK THE QUESTION JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE TO THE STATE OF MAKING THAT INVESTMENT. AND THE ADVANTAGE TO THE STATE IS THAT YOU HAVE GOT PUBLICLY MISSED INSTITUTIONS WHO ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT THE NEEDS OF THE STATE ARE. WE DON'T ABANDON PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T PROFITABLE FOR US JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PROFITABLE IF THEY ARE POSSIBLE TO THE -- IMPORTANT TO THE STATE, WE FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. SO IN DOING THAT, WE REALLY STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT THE -- WHAT THE ECONOMIC, THE WORK FORCE NEEDS OF THE STATE ARE, AND WE DO IT WITH A COMBINATION OF THESE COLLEGES THAT ARE VERY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNE COLLEGE OF VERMONT IS OUR REALLY LOW-COST MODEL. NO FRILLS. JUST TEACHING AND LEARNING. THERE'S NO ATHLETICS, THERE'S NO DORMITORIES, AND IT'S EVERYWHERE IN THE STATE. IT'S WITHIN 25 MILES ON THE GROUND OF ALMOST EVERY VERMONTER. THAT ALLOWS US TO HAVE AN ENTRY POINT FOR A LOT OF FOLKS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GO -- MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO START AT A MORE EXPENSIVE INSTITUTION. VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE, FOR EXAMPLE, REALLY RUNS SOME LOOSE -- SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE. NURSING, DENTAL HYGIENE, A PROGRAM WE TOOK OVER FROM THE UNIVERSITY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, AND HAVE BUILT AND EXPANDED. SO I LIKE TO THINK ABOUT OUR COLLEGES BEING PUBLICLY MISSED. -- MISSED. I THINK THAT'S A VALUE TO THE STATE AND A VALUE TO THE COLLEGES TO KNOW WE'RE FOCUSING ON VERMONTERS. 85% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE FROM VERMONT.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DENTAL HYGIENE AND PROGRAMS LIKE THAT, ARE THOSE THE TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT THE VERMONT STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM OFFERS THAT MAY NOT BE PROFITABLE AS YOU SAID, BUT SERVE A PURPOSE HERE IN THE STATE?

>> LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE NURSING PROGRAMS HOSTED AT TWO OF OUR COLLEGES. CASTLETON HAS A NURSING PROGRAM, VERMONT TECH HAS MULTIPLE PROGRAMS, STARTING WITH PRACTICAL NURSING. TEN YEARS AGO, THE GOVERNOR HAD A BLUE RIBBON COMMISSION ON NURSING AND THE SHORTFALL WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IN NURSING. WE TRIPLED THE THROUGH PUT WE DID WITH NURSING, BUT WE DIDN'T DEAL WITH MORE 18-YEAR-OLDS OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL, WE DID IT WITH 28-YEAR-OLDS AND 38-YEAR-OLDS ALL OVER THE STATE. SO THERE'S NINE LOCATIONS IN THE STATE THIS WE DO NURSING FROM. IT IS A VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE PROGRAM TO OPERATE. AND SO WE PROBABLY LOSE MONEY ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE STUDENTS, AND WE AUGMENT IT WITH PROGRAMS THAT ARE LESS EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE, AND WITH A LOT OF INGENUITY AND INNOVATION, WE DELIVER A LOT OF THAT PROGRAM THROUGH VERMONT INTERACTIVE TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WE'RE DOING IT BY VIDEO, AND BY ONLINE, WE HAVE A BACHELOR'S OF SCIENCE NURSING PROGRAM THAT WILL START THIS FALL AT VERMONT TECH THAT WILL BE ENTIRELY JOB LINE. -- ENTIRELY ONLINE.

>> THE IDEA HERE, THERE IS A NURSING SHORTAGE.

>> THERE IS A NURSING SHORTAGE.

>> FILLING THAT VOID.

>> WE WILL BE ATTENTIVE TO THE GREAT EXTENT POSSIBLE.

>> YOU MENTIONED ONLINE CLASSES. HOW BIG IS THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS THE TREND IN EDUCATION THESE DAYS.

>> WELL, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE'VE BEEN IN THE ONLINE DELIVERY OF EDUCATION FROM SINCE 1995. AT THAT POINT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE OF VERMONT OFFERED ITS FIRST ONLINE COURSE, IT WAS A POLITICAL SCIENCE COURSE, AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, SENATOR LEAHY JOINED THAT COURSE IN A CHAT. I MEAN, JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY WAS IN 1995 -- MAYBE YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY WAS.

>> I DO. I REMEMBER.

>> BUT IT WAS PRETTY CRYPTIC. SO RIGHT NOW, CCB, WHICH IS OUR LARGEST COLLEGE, CCB ENROLLS ABOUT 12,000 STUDENTS A YEAR. 25% OF ITS ENROLLMENT IS ONLINE. IT'S A HUGE PART OF WHAT CCBSM DOES, A BIG PART OF VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE DOES IN TERMS OF NURSING PROGRAMS AND OTHERS. JOHNSON HAS A COMPLETER PROGRAM AT THE BACHELOR'S LEVEL. MUCH OF IT IS DELIVERED ONLINE. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S NEW TO US. IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR PORTFOLIO. AND WHAT IT DOES IN THE STATE OF VERMONT, STATE LIKE VERMONT, VERMONT, DARREN, IT MEANS WE CAN ADVOCATE PROGRAMS IN WAYS YOU CAN'T IF THEY ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY BASED. YOU CAN HAVE THREE STUDENTS IN NEWPORT AND TWO STUDENTS IN RUTLAND AND ONE IN BENNINGTON AND FIVE IN BERLING TON AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH -- BURLINGTON AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO HAVE A PROGRAM.

>> AND DO THESE PROGRAMS RUN THE GAMUT, IS THERE A CERTAIN KIND OF PROGRAM THAT WORKS ONLINE THAT, SAY, DOESN'T IN THE TRADITIONAL CLASSROOM?

>> WELL, I THINK YOU GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER TO THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT COLLEGES YOU SPOKE WITH. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT I THINK ALL BUT TWO COURSES, CCB HAS A COURSE CATALOG OF HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF COURSES OFFERED EVERY SEMESTER. I THINK THERE'S TWO COURSES AT THAT COLLEGE THAT ARE NOT OFFERED ONLINE. NOW, CAN A STUDENT GET AN ENTIRE DEGREE IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS, NO. BUT THEY CAN GET A DEGREE IN MANY AREAS, ENTIRELY ONLINE IF THEY WISH. IT IS NOT WHAT WE SEE HAPPEN. WHAT WE SEE HAPPEN, THIS IS A WAY FOR SOMEBODY TO GET THEIR THIRD OR FOURTH COURSE IN A SEMESTER AND FIT IT INTO THEIR LIVES. BECAUSE YOUNG STUDENTS, AS WELL AS ADULT STUDENTS, GOING TO COLLEGE ISN'T THE ONLY THING -- THEY ALL HAVE TO WORK, THEY HAVE FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES, JOB RESPONSIBILITIES, AND SO IF WE CAN FIND MORE WAYS TO LET THEM FIT THAT EDUCATION INTO THE LIFE RESPONSIBILITIES THEY HAVE AND ONLINE IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE DO THAT, IT HELPS PEOPLE GET TO THEIR GOAL.

>> ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR GOALS IS TO KEEP TUITION DOWN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN THE STATE. WE -- YOU TALKED ABOUT FAMILY STRUGGLING TO PAY FOR THESE COLLEGE BILLS. HOW ARE YOU DOING THAT, IS THIS SORT OF SHARED RESOURCES, BECAUSE IT IS A SYSTEM. A NETWORK OF COLLEGES?

>> MY GOAL WHEN I BECAME CHANCELLOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS AGO WAS TO FIND ALL OF THE ADVANTAGES OF BEING A SYSTEM BUT KEEP ALL ADVANTAGES OF SMALL INDIVIDUAL COLLEGES THAT REALLY HAVE A CLOSE CONNECTION WITH THEIR STUDENTS. IF YOU'RE A STUDENT AT CASTLETON, YOU ARE AFFILIATED WITH CASTLETON, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT BEING AFFILIATED WITH VER MOST STATE -- VERMONT STATE COLLEGES. I WANT TO BE SURE WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FIND THE ADVANTAGES, PARTICULARLY OF THINGS BEHIND THE SCENES. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE HAVE ONE ACADEMIC RECORD SYSTEM FOR ALL FIVE COLLEGES. AND THAT TRANSLATES INTO ONE COURSE CATALOG. WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THAT, DARREN, WE'VE MADE IT SO THAT A STUDENT AT ANY COLLEGE CAN TAKE COURSES AT ANY OTHER COLLEGE, AND HAVE IT BE SEAMLESS, AND IT JUST COUNTS TOWARDS THEIR DEGREE. THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL. SO RIGHT NOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT -- WE'VE GOT ALMOST 900 STUDENTS IN THE SYSTEM, WHO ARE TAKING AT LEAST ONE COURSE AT ANOTHER COLLEGE IN THE SYSTEM THIS SEMESTER.

>> HMM.

>> SO THAT MEANS WE CAN BRING THE FULL SET OF RESOURCES OF ALL FIVE COLLEGES TO BEAR FOR ANY SINGLE STUDENT. THAT'S ON THE ACADEMIC SIDE. ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE, WE CONSOLIDATED PAYROLL. WE USED TO DO THAT AT ALL FIVE COLLEGES, NOW WE DO IT IN ONE PLACE. WE CONSOLIDATED A LOT OF THOSE FUNCTIONS SO WE GET THE EFFICIENCIES THAT COME FROM SIZE AND SCALE, BUT WE TRY TO DO IT IN A WAY SO THAT THE STUDENTS EXPERIENCE IS STILL DICTATED BY THE PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE A PERSONAL CONNECTION.

>> ANOTHER WAY THAT COLLEGE SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE GENERATING REVENUE IS THAT THE CAMPUSES ARE RENTING OUT SPACE, EITHER FOR WEDDINGS, FOR FUNCTIONS, FOR, YOU KNOW, CONFERENCES, THAT KIND OF THING. TELL US ABOUT THAT. WHAT SCHOOLS ARE DOING THAT, AND IS IT PROVING TO BE YOU CAN SUCCESSFUL.

>> ALL OF OUR CAMPUS-BASED COLLEGES, LINDEN, JOHNSON, CASTLETON, TECH. THERE ARE CAMPUSES WITH RESIDENCE HALLS. WE STILL IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE A SCHEDULE OF EDUCATION THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NINE MONTHS LONG. SUMMERS ARE NOT PART OF THAT. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. SO HERE YOU'VE GOT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU'VE GOT THIS PHYSICAL RESOURCE THAT COSTS YOU TO MAINTAIN IT, AND TO BUILD IT AND PAY FOR IT, AND IF YOU LET THAT SIT IDLE THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR --

>> THERE'S NO MONEY COMING IN.

>> AND YOU STILL HAVE COSTS GOING OUT. SO ALL OF OUR CAMPUS-BASED COLLEGES DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE SUMMERS IN PARTICULAR WITH CAMPS, SUMMER CAMPS. ALL OF THE COGS -- COLLEGES RUN SOME VERSION OF ONE OF THE GOVERNOR'S INSTITUTES, WE'RE DOING A NEW INSTITUTE ON FOOD SYSTEMS THIS SUMMER AT VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE IN RANDOLPH. GOVERNOR'S INSTITUTES ON THE ARTS, ANY NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS. THAT BRINGS YOUNG PEOPLE, NOT ONLY YOUNG PEOPLE, SOMETIMES IT WILL BE A GROUP LIKE FOLKS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN A PARTICULAR -- I THINK THE DOUSERS FOR A NUMBER OF YEAR DID THEIR GATHERING AT LINDEN OR VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE EVERY SUMMER. SO WE TRY TO UTILIZE THOSE FACILITIES AND HAVE A REVENUE STREAM THAT COMES FROM THAT, SO THAT THOSE FACILITIES ARE GENERATING REVENUE AT THE SAME TIME THEY ARE CONTINUING TO HAVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.

>> YOU

>>ED

>> -- YOU MENTIONED THE CAMPUSES ARE NOT USED ANY WAY, AS MUCH DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. THERE HAVE BEEN A PROPOSAL -- THERE HAS BEEN A PROPOSAL FOR K-12 TO EXTEND THE SCHOOL YEAR, BASICALLY MAKE, YOU KNOW, CLASSES GO YEAR ROUND WITH LARGER BREAKS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT KIDS TEND TO DO BETTER ACADEMICALLY.

>> THEY LOSE LESS.

>> YES. IS THE STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> LET ME ANSWER IN TWO WISE. -- TWO WAYS. ONE IS, AS LONG AS THE CULTURAL NORM IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN THIS STATE AND K-12 TENDS TO CONTINUE TO BE SEPTEMBER THROUGH MAY, IT WILL BE HARD TO CHANGE THAT BEHAVIOR AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

>> THE SECOND THING IS, I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS WITH STUDENTS, THEY SAY, WAIT A SECOND. I HAVE TO EARN MONEY IN THE SUMMER. I HAVE TO WORK. I'M WORKING DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR AS WELL. WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR THOSE STUDENTS WHO WANT TO STAY ENGAGED YEAR ROUND. AT CCB, AGAIN, LOCATED EVERY PLACE IN THE STATE, A LOT OF ONLINE OFFERINGS, THEIR SUMMER ENROLLMENT IS HALF THE SIZE OF FALL AND SPRING, AND I MEAN THAT'S A BIG HALF.

>> RIGHT.

>> MANY PLACES IT MIED -- IT MIGHT BE 10%. WE DO HAVE SUMMER PROGRAMMING AT ALL THE COLLEGES, BUT GENERALLY, THERE'S NOT A BIG MARKET FOR IT FROM STUDENTS. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT OUR STUDENTS NEED. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS WE ARE WORKING ON ON HOW TO GET YOUR DEGREE FINISHED MORE QUICKLY.

>> WE NEED TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK WITH TIM DONOVAN, CHANCELLOR OF

>>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE. MR. DONOVAN, LET'S ALSO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.

>> UM-HUM.

>> THERE IS A HUGE PUSH RIGHT NOW BY UVM, CHAMPLAIN, SAINT MIKE'S TO ATTRACT STUDENTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES. IS THE STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM LOOKING TO DO THE SAME?

>> WE ARE DOING SOME OF IT. I THINK THERE ARE TWO REASONS YOU MAY WANT TO DO INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS. ONE IS, IT INCREASES YOUR MARKET REACH. WE'RE IN A REGION OF DECLINING HIGH SCHOOL ENROLL AMENT -- ENROLLMENT, JUST THE DEMOGRAPHICS THAT DICTATE THAT. SO COLLEGES LOOK TO CAN WE AUGMENT SOME OF THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF IN MY -- MIGRATION TO VERMONT THAT A LOT OF OTHER REGIONS HAVE. THE OTHER REASON WE'VE BEEN APPROACHING IT AT A NUMBER OF OUR COLLEGES IS TO BRING NEW KINDS OF DIVERSITY TO OUR INSTITUTIONS. GREATER ETHNIC AND NATIONS OF ORIGIN DIVERSITY. THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO IN VERMONT. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COLLEGES, IF YOU GO TO CASTLETON RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE BANNERS IN ONE OF THE ROOMS WHERE ALL THE STUDENTS WERE CURRENTLY ENROLLED COME FROM. WE HAVE A PROGRAM RIGHT NOW AT VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE, THAT'S ENROLLING 17 SAUDI STUDENTS. A NEW PROGRAM WE HOPE WILL BE ABLE TO GROW. WE DO THINK IT IS PART OF OUR PORTFOLIO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WANTED TO DETRACT FROM OUR FOCUS REALLY ON VERMONTERS.

>> WHAT ARE THE TRENDS IN EDUCATION?

>> WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT A NUMBER OF TRENDS. ONLINE IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SOMETHING THEY CALL MASSIVE ONLINE OPEN SOURCE CLASSES, MOOCS. THE KIND OF THING IN TERMS OF WHAT DO YOU DO WITH SUMMER AND HOW DO YOU GET STUDENTS TO DEGREE FASTER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AN ALL PUBLICLY NAMED BOARD OF TRUSTEES. OUR BOARD IS ALL PEOPLE NAMED BY EITHER THE GOVERNOR OR THE LEGISLATURE. WE HAVE ONE STUDENT TRUSTEE. AND THE BOARD IS -- HAS NOW ASKED US TO HELP THEM WITH WHAT WE'RE CALLING A STRATEGIC INQUIRY, THAT LOOKS AT WHAT IS THE FACE OF EDUCATION, WHAT IS SOCIETY EXPECT FROM IT, WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES THAT WILL COME TO BEAR, HOW DO WE DELIVER THIS IN A WAY IN THE FUTURE THAT REALLY FULLY UTILIZES THE RESOURCES WE HAVE. I AM PLEASED THAT I HAVE A BOARD THAT WANTS TO LOOK AT THAT SO WE HAVE A COMMON CONTEXT FOR HOW WE APPROACH THOSE BIG QUESTIONS.

>> DUAL ENROLLMENT HAS BEEN HIGHLIGHTED THIS YEAR. THE GOVERNOR REALLY WAS TOUTING THE PROGRAM THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS KIDS WHILE THEY ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL TO TAKE COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES, AND THEN THEY ENTER COLLEGE WITH CRED AUTHORITY UNDER THEIR BELT. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THAT?

>> MY TAKE IS THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS. AND WE HAVE A PROGRAM, THE STATE HAS A PROGRAM THAT THE GOVERNOR'S PROGRAM EXPANDS THAT LETS KIDS TAKE ONE COLLEGE COURSE FOR FREE. WE HAVE BEEN VERY -- THE STATE COLLEGES HAVE BEEN THE MANAGER, IF YOU WILL, OF THAT PROGRAM. THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL IS PART OF WHAT'S CALLED FLEXIBLE PATHWAYS TO HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION. EXPANDS, DOUBLES THE SIZE. THE GOAL IS THAT WE'LL HAVE KIDS ABLE TO TAKE TWO COLLEGE COURSES WHILE THEY'RE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL IN A NUMBER OF WAYS WITH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE COLLEGES IN THE STATE. IT IS A REALLY GREAT RETURN ON A VERY SMALL INVESTMENT THAT IT TAKES. THE SECOND PART OF THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL, ALSO SOMETHING WE'VE HAD A ROME IN -- A ROLE IN, WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS EARLY COLLEGE. THAT'S DUAL ENROLLMENT TENDS TO BE ONE COURSE OR TWO COURSES. ONE AT A TIME, USUALLY. HE WILL -- EARLY COLLEGES, MY SENIOR YEAR BECOMES ALSO MY FRESHMAN YEAR IN COLLEGE. FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, THERE WAS A PROGRAM CALLED VAST. THE VERMONT ACADEMY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGIES. WHERE ABOUT 55 TO 60 STUDENTS A YEAR DO THEIR SENIOR YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL AT VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE. AND FINISH THEIR HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA WITH A FULL YEAR OF COLLEGE UNDER THEIR BELT. THE GOVERNOR'S PROPOSAL IS TO EXPAND THAT IN A CONTROLLED SORT OF WAY, WITH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, AND USE THE FUNDING THAT NOW GOES TO PAY FOR STUDENTS' HIGH SCHOOL SENIOR YEAR TO BE USED TO PAY IN MANY CASES A REDUCED LEVEL OF TUITION THAT THE COLLEGES HAVE AGREED TO PROVIDE AND EXPAND THAT PROGRAM SO MORE HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS CAN COME OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL WITH ONLY THREE YEARS OF COLLEGE TO A BACHELOR'S DEGREE.

>> SO THE STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM WILL BE LOSING MONEY THROUGH THESE PROGRAMS IF, I MEAN, KIDS ARE NOT PAYING IT.

>> WELL, THE TUITION AT A REDUCED LEVEL WILL BE PAID. IT IS NOT AS MUCH AS FULL TUITION, BUT IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. IT IS A GREAT QUESTION, IN THE STATE OF VERMONT, WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION RATES IN THE COUNTRY. AND WE'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OR FWLOE THE MIDDLE IN -- OR BELOW THE MIDDLE IN TERMS OF CONTINUATION TO COLLEGE RATES. WE REALLY VIEW THIS AS A WAY TO HAVE MORE KIDS COME OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL KNOWING THAT COLLEGE IS POSSIBLE FOR THEM, THAT IT IS WITHIN REACH FOR THEM AND KNOWING WHAT THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN THE STATE WITH 23 COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES IN IT. SO WE THINK IN SOME REGARDS, WE'LL TAKE A LITTLE LOSS ON THE FRONT END, BUT WE'LL SEE MORE STUDENTS WHO COME ON, AND SUCCEED AND FINISH COLLEGE IN VERMONT.

>> AND THERE'S ALSO A PROPOSAL OUT THERE RIGHT NOW WHERE STUDENTS WHO GREW UP IN VERMONT, GO TO SCHOOL IN VER MOST -- IN VERMONT, THEN STAY IN VERMONT, THAT THE STATE WOULD GO BACK AND PAY PART OF THEIR, OR THEIR ENTIRE SENIOR YEAR IN COLLEGE. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?

>> THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT WE HAD A HAND IN DEVELOPING WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. THE SPONSOR OF THIS BILL IS REPRESENTATIVE TIM GERMAN FROM ESSEX JUNCTION, WHO IS ALSO ON MY BOARD OF TRUSTEES. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT BILL WILL COME OUT OF THE LEMMING SLAY TOUR -- LEGISLATURE THIS SESSION OF THE BIENNIUM, IT IS NOT LOOKING LIKE IT WILL. IT HAS A LOT OF INTEREST. VERMONT KIDS STAY IN VERMONT, GO TO COLLEGE, FINISH ON TIME, THE STATE REWARDS THEM IF THEY STAY IN THE STATE AND ESTABLISH THEMSELVES HERE IN OUR WORK FORCE.

>> TO PREVENT THE BRAIN DRAIN --

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IDEA. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO GET TO, WE HAVE THREE MINUTES LEFT, ATHLETICS IN THE STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM. I MEAN, TAKE A LOOK AT CASTLETON. WHAT A DIFFERENCE THINGS ARE, HOW DIFFERENT THINGS ARE THERE NOW IN REGARDS TO THE HUGE STADIUM, THERE'S A FOOTBALL TEAM. DO ATHLETICS PLAY A ROLE IN COLLEGE SYSTEM NOW?

>> ATHLETICS PLAY A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF ROLES. AND I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENED AT CASTLETON OVER THE LAST DECADE, IT IS PROBABLY NOT REPLICABLE IN A A LOT OF PLACES. THE MOST NOTE -- NOTICEABLE CHANGE AT CASTLETON WAS THE ADDITION OF FOOTBALL. IN THIS DAY AND AGE, COLLEGES ARE LOSING FOOTBALL, NOT TAKING ON FOOTBALL.

>> RIGHT.

>> PRESIDENT WALK DOWN THERE HAD A REALLY ASTUTE OBSERVATION. THERE WERE 120 VERMONT HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS LEAVING THE STATE OF VERMONT TO GO TO SCHOOL SOMEPLACE ELSE SO THEY COULD PLAY DIVISION 3 FOOTBALL.

>> UM-HUM.

>> LET'S DO SOMETHING TO KEEP THOSE KIDS IN STATE. AND THAT BECAME PART OF REALLY TURNING CASTLETON FROM A COMMUTER SUITCASE COLLEGE, THAT REALLY HAD KIND OF BECOME PEOPLE LEFT ON THE WEEKENDS, TO REALLY A FULLY ENGAGED COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT SCALE IS GOING TO BE POSSIBLE ANYPLACE ELSE, BECAUSE IT TAKES AN INVESTMENT THAT MANY COLLEGES CAN'T MAKE AND SHOULDN'T MAKE, BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT TO WHAT'S HAPPENED AT CASTLETON. THAT SAID, EACH OF THE OTHER, AGAIN, TRADITIONAL COLLEGES, CAMPUS-BASED COLLEGES IN OUR SYSTEM HAVE SOME LEVEL OF ATHLETICS BECAUSE IT'S GOOD TO KEEP THOSE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES AVAILABLE FOR STUDENTS. SO BASKETBALL, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, LA CROSSE, SOCCER. THOSE KINDS OF SUPPORTS-R -- SPORTS ARE A BIG PART OF THE MIX AT ALL OF OUR COLLEGES.

>> SCHOOL YEAR COMING TO AN END SHORTLY. WHAT CAN WE ANTICIPATE NEXT SEMESTER?

>> WELL, I THINK WE ARE -- WE HAVE NEW PROGRAMS UNDER DEVELOPMENT. I MENTIONED THE BACHELOR OF SCIENCE NURSING PROGRAM AT VERMONT TECHNICAL COLLEGE. I THINK WE CAN EXPECT THAT THESE FIVE COLLEGES WILL REMAIN REALLY THE BEST VALUE, THE BEST BARGAIN IN HIGHER EDUCATION IN THE STATE OF VERMONT. THAT'S OUR GOAL. AND I'VE GOT FIVE PRESIDENTS WHO ARE WORKING ACTIVELY AT IT, ALONG WITH REALLY STRONG COLLEGE COMMUNITIES.

>> TIM DONOVAN, CHANCELLOR VERMONT STATE COLLEGE SYSTEM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> TAUNG, DARREN. -- THANK YOU, DARREN.

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