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YCQM: March 30, 2014

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HELLO AND WELCOME YOU CAN QUOTE ME. OUR NEWS MAKE THEY ARE SUNDAY MORNING, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> MY PLEASURE.

>> JOINING US IN THE QUESTIONING IS PAUL HANKS A POLITICAL COLUMNIST. THANKS FOR JOINING US.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT. YOU ARE DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE MIGHT DO. IN TWO WEEKS YOU ARE TRAVELING TO NEW HAMPSHIRE. ARE YOU PLANNING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AT THIS POINT?

>> AS I SAID BEFORE, ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT IS A LITTLE BIT CRAZY. IT'S NOT BEEN AN AMBITION OF MINE. THIS IS WHAT I SAY. A SEE A MIDDLE-CLASS AND MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY THAN EVER BEFORE. I SEE THAT WHILE MOST PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING ECONOMICALLY, THE PEOPLE ON TOP, THE BILLIONAIRE CLASS ARE DOING PHENOMENALLY WELL AND UNITED STATES HAS MOST UNEQUALED DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. WE NEED CANDIDATES THAT ARE GOING TO REPRESENT THE WORKING CLASS OF THIS COUNTRY WHICH ARE GETTING DECIMATED. CANDIDATES TO TAKE ON THE BIG MONEY INTERESTS WHO ARE AT WAR AGAINST THE MIDDLE-CLASS. AT THE TIME THE BILLIONAIRES ARE GETTING RICHER, THEY ARE PUTTING SUMS OF MONEY SO THEY CAN CUT MEDICARE MEDICAID AND SOCIAL SECURITY AND SO I THINK TO PEOPLE NEED TO STAND UP TO BILLIONAIRE CLASS AND I AM PREPARED TO DO THAT.

>> WHETHER OTHER CANDIDATES STAND UP?

>> THE MEDIA TRIES PEERED WE HAVE NEVER ENDING ELECTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY. WE HAVE VERY IMPORTANT ELECTION THAT I WILL BE INVOLVED IN 2014. THAT IS WHETHER THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO RETAIN CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND WHETHER THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO CONTROL OVER THE UNITED STATES SENATE. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I'LL BE ACTIVE IN THAT. WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

>> A CAMPAIGN DECISION WOULD BE MADE FOLLOWING 2014?

>> IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE BEFORE THE CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS.

>> YOU HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT SECRETARY HUDSON WHETHER SHE WOULD MAKE A GOOD PRESIDENT OR NOT. HE SAID THE POLITICS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. CA YOU DESCRIBE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SECRETARY AND YOURSELF?

>> SECRETARY CLINTON IS GOING TO RUN. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER SHE IS RUN BUT I THINK IS, I HAVE KNOWN HILLARY CLINTON SINCE SHE WAS FIRST LADY. I CERTAINLY KNEW HER IN THE SNAET SENATE. I LIKE A HER AND RESPECT HER. I'M NOT RUNNING AGAINST THEM. I'M RUNNING FOR WHAT I BELIEVE FOR AND MIDDLE-CLASS. AND ESTABLISHMENT POLITICS AND MEDIA IS NOT SERVING THE NEEDS OF THE NATION TODAY. WE ARE IN EXTRAORDINARY MOMENTS. CRISIS FACING THIS COUNTRY TODAY IS WORSE SINCE ANY TIME SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION AND THROW IN THE CLIMATE CHANGE, PLANETARY CRISIS, THEY ARE WORSE SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. SO THE SAME ESTABLISHMENT POLITICS DOESN'T WORK. WE NEED PEOPLE TO HAVE THE GUTS AND FIGHT THE FIGHTS THAT HE TO BE FOUGHT. THE MAIN FIGHT IS WILLINGNESS TO EDUCATE AND ORGANIZE PEOPLE TO TAKE ON THE BILLIONAIRES TODAY WHO HAVE SO MUCH POLITICAL POWER.

>> WHAT CAN BE DONE? WHAT COULD CHANGE THAT CURRENT STATUS?

>> WHAT YOU NEED IS GRASSROOTS EFFORT -- WE CAN'T ALLOW THE MIDDLE-CLASS TO DISAPPEAR. THAT IS WHAT NOT AMERICA IS ABOUT. WE USED TO BOAST WE HAVE A VIBRANT MIDDLE-CLASS. IF WE DON'T GET OUR ACT TOGETHER WITH ABSURD DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HANDFUL OF BILLIONAIRES CONTROLLING WHAT IS GOING ON. WE HAVE TO CREATE UNIONS MAKING DECENT JOBS AND ONE WAY IS REBUILDING THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. THE STATE OF VERMONT OUR ROADS ARE NEED IN REPAIR, OUR BRIDGES ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR, WASTE WATER PLANTS. WE ARE BEHIND OTHER COUNTRIES AND N OTHER THINGS. OUR AIRPORTS. THEN CUT EMISSIONS AND TRANSFORM OUR ENERGY SYSTEMS TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WE WOULD MAKE MILLIONS OF JOBS AND LEAD THE WORLD IN TRANSFORMING ENERGY. I THINK THAT IS TERRIBLY IMPORTANT.

>> BARACK OBAMA WHEN IT CAME TO FUND-RAISING FOR CAMPAIGN, DID HE DROP THE BALL?

>> THAT IS COMPLICATED ISSUE. I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRONGER. ON THE OTHER HAND IT IS HARD TO UNDERESTIMATE WHAT REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM HAS BEEN ABOUT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IN THE COUNTRY, PAUL RYAN WHO PRESENTS A BUDGET THAT WANTS TO TRANSFORMED MEDICARE AND MASSIVE CUTS IN MEDICAID AND PRIVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY. WHEN IT COMES TO THE MINIMUM WAGE WE ARE FIGHTING HARD TO RAISE IT TO 10.10 AN HOUR. WHAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WE HAVE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE RESISTING RAISING, THEY WANT TO ABOLISH THE CONCEPT OF MINIMUM WAGE. PEOPLE WILL WORK FOR $3 TO OR $4 AN HOUR. ON THE OTHER HAND DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE KIND OF OBSTRUCTIONISM THERE IS.

>> AND AS YOU SAT AND EXPLORING A PRESIDENTIAL BID, YOU ACKNOWLEDGED IT'S POSSIBLE YOU COULD RUN AS A DEMOCRAT. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU IN A LOT OF WAYS. YOU JUST RECENTLY SAID DEMOCRATIC PARTY ALONG WITH THE BIG MONEY INTERESTS, YOU'VE GOT RUNNING AN INDEPENDENT SORT OF PUT YOU ON THE MARGINS OF THE CAMPAIGN. HOW CAN YOU RECONCILE THOSE TWO?

>> I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED POLITICALLY, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, MANY PEOPLE IN VERMONT REMEMBER THE REPUBLICAN PEOPLE BOB STAFFORD, JEAN DAVIS, JOE JACOBS. THESE ARE MODERATE REPUBLICANS. SO YOU WHAT HAVE IS A REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT HAS GONE FROM A MODERATE CONSERVATIVE PROPERTY TO RIGHT WING EXTREMIST. BUT DEMOCRAT PARTY HAS MOVED FROM A LEFT PARTY TO A CENTRIST PARTY. THAT IS FROM V TRUE. I'M PROUD OF BEING THE LONGEST SERVING INDEPENDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS. THE POLITICAL PROBLEMS THAT WE RUN IN TO IS ESTABLISH A THIRD PARTY EFFORT WOULD TAKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. THE ADVANTAGE IS PEOPLE ARE DISGUSTED WITH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THAT IS THE ADVANTAGE. IF I WERE A MULTIBILLIONAIRE AND DECIDED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, I'M NOT A MULTI'BILLIONAIRE. ON THE OTHER HAND THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. I'M GOING TO BE TALKING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

>> IS SECRETARY CLINTON --

>> I'M NOT SURE. WE HAVE AN ELECTION THAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE TWO AND A HALF YEARS. TO SUGGEST ANYBODY THAT IS NON-BEATABLE.

>> WHAT WOULD IT TAKE?

>> MORE VOTES.

>> AND HEARING OF YOUR MULLING OVER A POSSIBLE BID FOR PRESIDENT, TO REACH OUT PROGRESSIVES, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT CRITICISM?

>> SOMETIMES IT THEY WAKE UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BED AND THAT IS SOUR. I WOULD SUGGEST THERE ARE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT MORE THAN I HAVE REACHED OUT. YOU MAY RECALL TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO IN TERMS OF SOCIAL SECURITY WE HAD EVERY REPUBLICAN SAYING, WE NEED TO CUT SOCIAL SERITY. YOU HAD PETERSON, A BILLIONAIRE FROM WALL STREET, HE SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY. NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS SAYING, I THINK THEY SHOULD CUT SOCIAL SECURITY. A CHANGE IN CPI IS A SIGNIFICANT CUT IN MY VIEW. YOU CAN ARGUE IT BUT IT IS A CUT IN THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT WHICH OVER TEN-YEAR PERIOD IS MANY, MANY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR, NOT FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE BUT DISABLED VETERANS. ALL OF THOSE FOLKS, I ORGANIZE THE GROUP CALLED DEFENDING SOCIAL SECURITY CAUCUS. WE RALLIED, PROGRESSIVES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, SENIOR GROUPS, AFL/CIO, DISABILITY GROUPS AND GRASSROOTS EFFORT. YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WON. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THAT SKOSH ANYMORE. HOW TO EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY.

>> YOU ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED AN OPPONENT THAT WAS FUNDED BY A SUPER PAC, YOU WOULDN'T MIND SOMEONE RUN YOUR OWN CAMPAIGN AND ONE OF YOUR STAFFERS HAS STARTED A SUPER PAC. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? WOULD YOU PREFER SOMETHING ELSE?

>> WHAT I WOULD PREFER SUPER PACS IN GENERAL, ABSOLUTELY. LET'S BE CLEAR. WHEN I TALK ABOUT MY FEARS ABOUT THIS COUNTRY MOVING TO A SOCIETY WHERE YOU HAVE BILLIONAIRES LIKE THE KOCH BROTHERS, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MADE LAST YEAR THAN THE PREVIOUS YEAR, $10 BILLION MORE, THESE ARE EXTREMIST GUYS WHO ARE PREPARED TO FUND, SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR 501-CCHs AND SET UP OTHER MECHANISMS TO CREATE A POLITICAL PROCESS AND MORE CUTS FOR BILLIONAIRES. THEY ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS CHRIS PEARSON, I LOVE CHRIS. HE WORKED FOR ME AND DOES A GREAT JOB. COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT AND HE STARTED A GROUP. LAST I HEARD I WAS TOLD THEY RAISED TWO OR THREE,000. CAN YOU EQUATE $3,000 WITH THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLAR IS DOLLARS THE KOCH BROTHERS ARE RAISING? I DON'T THINK SO.

>> AND WHAT HAVE YOU GARNERED THE LABOR UNIONS, IT'S NOTE OUTSIDE THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY A UNION MAY PUT A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH?

>> TO SAY, IF YOU SAY THAT OR I SAY THAT AND OTHER PROGRESSIVES SAY THAT, YOU ARE SAYING TO THE KOCH BROTHERS AND OTHERS, GIVE THE SENATE AND HOUSE TO YOU. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND SO MUCH MONEY. WE ARE PRINCIPLED PEOPLE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO OPPOSE IT. AND NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES -- I AM WORKING VERY HARD AND GOING ACCELERATE OUR EFFORTS THROUGH A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO OVERTURN THIS DECISION. I FEEL MORE STRONGLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE. PEOPLE FOUGHT AND DIED FOR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. WE LOVE TO -- YOU SAW THE PIECE IN THE "WASHINGTON POST." IT'S CALLED THE CHANGING DAYS AND ALL THIS REPUBLICANS THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO. IF WE DO THIS, YOU WILL GIVE US A HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THAT IS THE CORRUPTION AND UNDERMINING OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. WE HAVE TO ELIMINATE THAT. I WOULD GO FURTHER I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY WE SHOULD GO TO PUBLIC FUNDING OF ELECTION. YOU THINK WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A VIGOROUS OPPOSITION TO THE KOCH BROTHERS?

>> HOW CAN YOU HOPE TO PASS A CONSTITUTIONALITY AMENDMENT WHERE YOU MEET IT?

>> WE HAVE A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN. YOU HAD REPUBLICANS THAT NOT WANTO HAVE THE SHUTDOWN BUT IF YOU VOTE NOT HAVE TO THE SHUT DOWN, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THERE WILL BE A PRIMARY RUNNING AGAINST YOU AND THAT CANDIDATE WILL BE WELL FUNDED. WE ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT BOTH ECONOMICALLY OBVIOUSLY AND POLITICALLY AS WELL. AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALLOWING THE NEEDS OF WORKING FAMILIES, SOMETHING I WORK ON EVERY DAY.

>> WE ARE SPEAKING WITH BERNIE SANDERS AN INDEPENDENT VERY VERMONT.

>>> WELCOME BACK TO YOU CAN QUOTE ME. JOINING US IS BERNIE SANDERS. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY IN POLITICS. HOW CAN WE SHIFT THE WEALTH DISTRIBUTION?

>> THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. WE NEED A MAJOR JOBS PROBLEM AND GET PEOPLE BACK TO WORK. REBUILDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSFORMING OUR ENERGY SYSTEM. NUMBER TWO WE HAVE TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE GOING UP TO 10.10 WOULD BE A GOOD STARTED. THAT WILL BE THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE.

>> IS 10.10 ENOUGH?

>> NO. IT WOULD BE AN IMPEDIMENT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES BUT THE NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE 7.25, AT THE VERY LEAST IT SHOULD BE 10.10. WE NEED PAY EQUITY FOR WOMEN. WE ALSO NEED TON ABLE TO HAVE COLLEGE AFFORDABILITY. RIGHT NOW IT IS INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES TO GET THEIR KIDS TO COLLEGE. I EXPECT A BILL ON THE FLOOR OF SENATE THAT LOWERS INTEREST RATES BUT I THINK WE CAN GO BEYOND THAT. ASSURING THAT WORKING CLASS FAMILIES CAN GET TO COLLEGE.

>> AND CONSIDERING THE MINIMUM WAGE TO 10.10 AND PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE UP TO 7 DAYS PAID OF SICK LEAVES THAT COULD BE ACCRUED. IT DOES SEEM THEY HAVE SHELLED THE SECOND PROPOSAL. DO YOU THINK THEY MADE A MISTAKE THERE?

>> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE EVERY NATION, PEOPLE WORK LONGER HOURS, VERY LONG HOURS. SOME BUSINESSES ARE SAYING TO WORKERS, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH PAID LEAVE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE SICK LEAVE OR VACATION. I THINK THE LEGISLATION TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET SICK LEAVE IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

>> GOVERNOR SAYS THE ISSUE IS NOT ENOUGH -- OR ENOUGH TO BE INSTITUTED.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO COMMENT.

>> THE SENATE NARROWLY FAILED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE VETERANS BILL AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT GOT INVOLVED IN THE PASSAGE AND WHETHER YOU HAVE A STRATEGY TO MOVE IT IN THE FUTURE?

>> THE THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. I HAVE BEEN CHAIRMAN OF THE VETERANS COMMITTEE FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR. WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER HEARINGS. WE HAVE OPERATED IN A VERY BIPARTISAN WAY. WE GOT I THINK SERIOUS REPUBLICANS ON THE COMMITTEE WHO LIKE THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO HELP THE VETERANS. WHAT THE BILL DOES AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT HAS THE SUPPORT OF VIRTUALLY ALL THE VETERANS' COMMUNITY. ALL THE VETERANS AND GOLD STAR WIVES, BECAUSE IT IS MOST COMPREHENSIVE VETERANS LEGISLATION BEFORE THE SENATE. WHAT IT DOES DO IT EXPANDS V.A. HEALTH CARE TO INCLUDE DENTAL CARE. VERY INTERESTING ISSUE IN THE V.A. AND OUTSIDE THE V.A. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OVERMEDICATION. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS USING THE MEDICINE AND EXPAND THAT GREATLY AND ADVANCED APPROPRIATION. WE DEAL WITH EXPANDING A PROGRAM SO THE VETS WILL GET THE KIND OF SUPPORT THEY NEED. A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THE BILL. IT CAME LAST MONTH THAT YOU INDICATED, WE GOT 56 VOTES. REPUBLICANS DEMANDED 60 VOTES. ONE GUY WAS ABSENT BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 57. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH REPUBLICANS WHAT KIND OF CHANGES THEY REQUIRE AND CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC WE'RE GOING TO GET THE 60 VOTES. WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH REPUBLICAN CHAIRMAN, CHAIRMAN OF THE VETERANS COMMITTEE. I'M CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC WE'RE GOING PASS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF VETERANS LEGISLATION PASSED IN MANY YEARS.

>> WHAT ABOUT CHANGING THAT BILL TO DRAW THOSE ADDITIONAL VOTES?

>> FIRST OF ALL IT IS MONEY. THEY DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS SPENDING TRILLIONS GOING TO WAR BUT IT COST MONEY OVER YEARS AND SOME ARE BALKING WITH THAT. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF VETERANS THAT IS FINE BUT DON'T SEND THEM OFF TO WAR. SO MONEY IS A KEY ISSUE. SOME OTHERS, I WANTED TO DO WAS EXPAND V.A. HEALTH CARE.

>> DO YOU HAVE TO PICK YOUR BATTLES WHEN YOU PICK ISSUES. THE CARBON TAX DIED IN COMMITTEE. DO YOU HAVE TO DECIDE THIS IS A BILL I CAN WIN?

>> ALL THE TIME BUT IT'S THE TERMS OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY FIGHT, WE WON THAT FIGHT. TITLES OF THE CARBON I BILL THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT SENATOR BARBARA BOXER AND I INTRODUCED, HAD YOU AN ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY, VIRTUALLY ALL O THE NUMBERS, NO ILLUSIONS OF SOMETHING TO PASS WHEN THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE THE REALITY OF THE PROBLEM. BUT YOU HAVE TO START SOMEPLACE. YOU NEED A PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS AND PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY CAN RALLY AROUND. YOU DO NEED A TAX ON CARBON, BUT YOU NEED TO TRANSFORM OUR ENERGY SYSTEM. AS THE AUTHOR OF A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION FOR REALIZATION AND SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, BUT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS IN THE STATE.

>> LAST WEEK THE PRESIDENT INDICATED HE WANTS TO STOP NSA BULK COLLECTION OF PHONE DATA RECORDS WITHIN 90 DAYS. YOU SAY THAT IS NOT FAST ENOUGH. YOU WANT HIM TO TAKE MORE ACTION. CAN YOU TELL US SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE IS HOPING HE WILL DO?

>> WE A MEETING COUPLE MONTHS AGO ON IT. YOU TALK ABOUT THE CRISIS PUT THAT ONE RIGHT UP THERE. IF YOU HAVE THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT FILING EVERY PHONE CALL THAT YOU MAKE, PERHAPS GETTING INTO YOUR EMAIL, PERHAPS KNOWING WHICH WEBSITES YOU VISIT, THEY KNOW YOUR LOCATION WHERE YOU ARE, TAPPING INTO PHONES AND FOREIGN LEARS AROUND THE WORLD. MY CONCERNS OF SUCH THAT I VOTED AGAINST IT AND I VOTED SECOND TIME AROUND. PRESIDENT SAYS HE WANTS TO ELIMINATE THE BULK COLLECTION OF PHONE DATA THAT IS A STEP FORWARD. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THAT PROGRAM EXPIRES VERY SHORTLY. WE DON'T HAVE TO RENEW IT. I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER IS LET IT EXPIRE BUT THERE IS A PROPOSAL HOPING THAT CONGRESS WILL PASBUT HE COULD HAVE DONE IT IN A MORE DIRECT WAY. HAVING SAID THAT WE HAVE TO GO FURTHER THAN THAT. BOTTOM LINE TO ME IS THAT WE HAVE GOT TO BE VIGOROUS IN PROTECTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FROM TERRORISM. I BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO IT IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF OUR PEOPLE.

>> THERE ARE MANY WHO AT LEAST WITHIN CONGRESS WHO ARE OPPOSED TO SOME OF THESE PRIVACY INTERACTIONS DON'T BELIEVE THAT BRADLEY MANNING OR EDWARD SNOWDEN COME OFF AS HEROES. SHOULD THEY FACE IF CONVICTED, SHOULD EDWARD SNOWDEN FACE CHARGES SHOULD HE RETURN TO THE U.S.?

>> THIS IS BAY THINK. I THINK SNOWDEN PUT OUT VALUABLE TIPS, THERE WOULD WOULD NOT BE ALL THIS DISCUSSION IN UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD IF SNOWDEN DID WHAT HE DID. THINK TWO THINGS. I THINK THE UNITED STATE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD BRING FORTH LESS SEVERE CHARGES, SHOULD BE WILLING TO ENTER INTO A PLEA BARGAIN WITH HIM. I THINK SNOWDEN WILL FACE A TRIAL AND HAVE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE HIS CASE OF A JURY OF HIS PIERCE. IT WILL BE INTERESTING WHAT THE RESULTS WILL BE. THAT IS WHERE I AM ON THAT.

>> IF YOU WERE COMMANDER IN CHIEF, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE HANDLED RUSSIA'S INCURSION IN CRIMEA?

>> IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE. I THINK THE ENTIRE WORLD IS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED BY THE ACTIONS OF RUSSIA. I THINK THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT IN TRYING TO WORK THE G-7 OR G-8 IN ORGANIZING SANCTIONS WHICH WILL BE SEVERE AGAINST RUSSIA. I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THIS. YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY TOUGH -- THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE GOT US IN THE WAR IN IRAQ AND GOT INTO AFGHANISTAN. I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENT WAR. WE HAVE TO HOLD RUSSIAN IMPERIALISM IN CHECK.

>> AND SOME HAVE COMPARED IT TO GERMANY GOING INTO AUSTRIA. DO YOU SEE IT LIKE THAT?

>> I THINK A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE A UNITED IN OPPOSITION AND HE IS GOING TO PAY A VERY SEVERE ECONOMIC PENALTY.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. PAUL HANKS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, AS WELL. FOR YOU WILL ALL OF YOU AT HOME. HAVE A GREAT REST OF THE DAY.

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