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"You Can Quote Me" June 29, 2014 -- Dean Corren, Progressive for Vt. lieutenant governor, joins Julie Kelley to discuss the 2014 race for lieutenant governor.

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NEIGHBORS.

THIS IS "YOU CAN QUOTE ME."

>>> AND GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

I'M JULIE KELLEY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS

MORNING.

IT IS NOT LABOR DAY YET.

TRADITIONALLY THE TIME THINGS

START HEATING UNIN THE RACES FOR

STATE OFFICE, AND IN FACT

GOVERNOR SHUMLIN HAS SAID THAT

IS WHEN HE WILL START

CAMPAIGNING, BUT HE HAS ALREADY

GOT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT

POLITICS.

IN THIS CASE, THE RACE FOR THE

SECOND HIGHEST OFFICE IN

VERMONT, AND THAT IS AT THE

CENTER OF OUR DISCUSSION THIS

MORNING, AND DEAN CORREN IS THE

PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE FOR

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.

HE JOINS US THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> THANK YOU, JULIE.

>> BEFORE WE START TALKING, I

WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT SORT

OF THE SURPRISE DEVELOPMENTS IN

THE RACE, AND HERE'S OUR

POLITICAL REPORTER KYLE MIDURA.

>> I THINK DEAN CORREN HAS IT

RIGHT ON HEALTHCARE.

>> MONDAY, GOVERNOR PETER

SHUMLIN ENDORSED A PROGRESSIVE

CANDIDATE FOR THE SECOND HIGHEST

OFFICE IN THE GREEN MOUNTAIN

STATE WHILE WRAPPING UP A PRESS

CONFERENCE.

HE CALLED ON THE STATE DEMOCRATS

TO DO THE SAME.

THE CANDIDATE, FORMER STATE

REPRESENTATIVE DEAN CORREN, WILL

FACE INCUMBENT REPUBLICAN

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PHIL SCOTT

IN NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.

>> PHILLIP AND I UNDERSTAND THAT

WORKING TOGETHER IN A

PARTNERSHIP IS GOOD FOR VERMONT

AND GOOD FOR ALL OF US.

WE ALSO UNDERSTAND WE'RE FROM

DIFFERENT PARTIES AND,

THEREFORE, OCCASIONALLY WE

SUPPORT PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EACH

OTHER.

>> WELL, I CAN'T SAY I'M THAT

SURPRISED, BUT IT'S EARLY AND

IT'S VERY WELCOME.

>> CORREN CALLS HIMSELF A PRORVE

FIRST, BUT ADDS THAT HE'S HAPPY

TO RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM ALL

SIDES.

PUSHING FOR SINGLE PAY YOER

WOULD BE HIS TOP PRIORITY, BUT

HE SAYS HE WOULDN'T SLIDE AWAY

FROM DISAGREEMENT WITH GOVERNOR

SHUMLIN.

HE CITES RECENT TAX BREAKS FOR

THE POOR AT ONE EXAMPLE.

>> I SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE

AS WELL.

>> LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PHIL

SCOTT HAS HE SAYS SUPPORT FROM

MANY MODERATE DEMOCRATS AND SAYS

HE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ELECTED

PREVIOUSLY WITHOUT IT.

THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR ALSO

EXPRESSED SURPRISE BY THE TIMING

OF MONDAY'S NEWS, BUT SAYS HE

DID NOT EXPECT AN ENDORSEMENT

FROM GOVERNOR SHUMLIN.

>> I WOULDN'T MIND WAITING UNTIL

AFTER LABOR DAY AS WELL, BUT

THIS MAY CHANGE THINGS A LITTLE

BIT AND I MIGHT HAVE TO START A

LITTLE BIT SOONER.

>> DIFFERING STANCES ON

HEALTHCARE AND ECONOMIC ISSUES

WILL PROVIDE FOR PLENTY OF

DEBATE.

AS WILL CAMPAIGN FINANCING.

CORREN SECURED $200,000 IN

TAXPAYER FUNDS FOR HIS CAMPAIGN

BY RAISING $17,000 IN INCREMENTS

SMALLER THAN 50.

SCOTT HAS NEVER RAISED MORE THAN

$180,000.

BOTH MEN THINK VOTERS WILL FAVOR

THEIR FUNDING STRATEGIES.

>> WELL, THIS MORNING, WE'RE

GOING TO TOUCH MORE ON VERMONT'S

SINGLE PAYOR HEALTHCARE PLAN,

THE FIGHT OVER HOW TO FUND

EDUCATION, AND USING TAX DOLLARS

TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

BUT FIRST, DEAN CORREN, YOU ARE

A PROGRESSIVE FROM BURLINGTON.

>> YES.

>> YOU WERE IN THE LEGISLATURE,

YOU'VE BEEN OUT A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'RE NOW GETTING BACK INTO

POLITICS.

SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

YOURSELF.

>> OKAY.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE NEVER

LEFT POLITICS BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS

INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING, YOU

KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE

ISSUES AND ANYONE IN THE

DEMOCRACY OUGHT TO BE INVOLVED

IN FLICKS ALL THE TIME.

-- POLITICS ALL THE TIME.

BUT AS FAR AS ELECTED OFFICE,

THAT'S TRUE, I HAVE BEEN NOT

BEEN IN SINCE THE YEAR 2000 WHEN

I LEFT THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH

BROKE MY HEART, BY THE WAY.

I LOVED BEING THERE.

BUT THEN I WORKED TWO YEARS FOR

BERNIE SANDERSES, SO I WAS IN --

SANDERSES SO I WAS IN POLITICS

THEN VERY MUCH IN THE ENTIRE

STATE, NOT JUST MY DISTRICT, AND

THEN HAVE BEEN WORKING IN MY

FIELD OF RENEWABLE ENERGY EVER

SINCE THEN.

>> WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU DO IN THE

RENEWABLE ENERGY?

>> I'M THE CHIEF TECHNOLOGY

OFFICER OF A VERY SMALL COMPANY

WORKING ON AN EMERGING

TECHNOLOGY WHICH IS DEVELOPING

UNDERWATER TURBINES THAT CAPTURE

THE FLOWS IN RIVERS AND TIDAL

FLOWS THAT GO BACK AND FORTH

WITH THE MOON, AND THEN

ULTIMATELY OCEAN CURRENTS, WHICH

ARE VERY LARGE IN THE DEEP OCEAN

AND WILL PROVIDE A TREMENDOUS

AMOUNT OF POWER.

>> WE'LL GET BACK TO NA IN A

MINUTE, BUT -- TO THAT IN A

MINUTE, BUT I DO WANT TO START

WITH THE GOVERNOR'S ENDORSEMENT

OF YOU.

HE'S A STRONG INCUMBENT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU?

>> IT MEANS A LOT.

WE WORKED TOGETHER WHEN I WAS IN

THE LEGISLATURE IN '92 THROUGH

2000, AND PETER SHUMLIN WAS IN

THE SENATE AT THE TIME.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAID IT DIDN'T

SURPRISE ME THAT HE KNEW OF MY

RECORD, KNEW OF MY WORK, AND HE

KNOWS THAT I'M SOMEONE WHO HE

CAN WORK WITH.

EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE, WE HAVE A

MUCH HIGHER PRIORITY FOR

PROGRESS FOR THE STATE OF

VERMONT THAN ANY PARTICULAR

PIECES OF DISAGREEMENT, AND SO

IN AN ISSUE AS LARGE AND COMPLEX

AS HEALTHCARE REFORM, THERE WILL

BE MANY, MANY ISSUES WITHIN THAT

THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT AND

NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE

HAPPY ABOUT EVERYTHING.

IT'S JUST FAR TOO COMPLEX, BUT

THE BASIC PRINCIPLE, I THINK,

THE GOVERNOR UNDERSTANDS THAT I

WILL ADHERE TO THOSE PRINCIPLES

AND, YET, THERE WILL BE

FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF

PRAGMATICALLY GETTING THE JOB

DONE FOR VERMONTERS.

>> ONE OF THE GOVERNOR'S KEY

REASONS FOR ENDORSING YOU IS

BECAUSE OF YOUR AGREEMENT ON

SINGLE PAYOR.

WHAT GRADE WOULD YOU GIVE THE

GOVERNOR UP TO THIS POINT ON

HEALTHCARE?

>> I HAVE TO GIVE HIM A B-PLUS

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AND THE

REASON FOR THAT IS THE ONLY

HESITATION WOULD BE THE SPEED AT

WHICH THINGS HAVE DEVELOPED.

BUT, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE TO

UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATE AND

THE GOVERNOR ARE EMBEDDED IN A

SYSTEM DICK STATED BY THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT -- DICTATED

BY THE FEDERAL UP UNTIL THIS

POINT IN TIME UNTIL VERMONT

FULLY TAKES THE LEAD OF A VERY

COMPLEX, HODGEPODGE, NON-SYSTEM,

WHICH IS WHY WE PAY TWICE AS

MUCH AS OTHER DEVELOPED COUP

TRIS FOR HEALTHCARE AND HAVE

WORST -- COUNTRIES FOR

HEALTHCARE AND HAVE WORST

STATISTICS.

JUST LAST WEEK, JOHNS HOPKINS

UNIVERSITY CAME OUT WITH YET

ANOTHER STUDY COMPARING TOP 11

DEVELOPED COUNTRIES AND THE U.S.

IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST, SO

SIMPLY REPEATING WE'RE NUMBER

ONE, WE'RE NUMBER ONE,

ULTIMATELY MAY BE TRUE IN

SOCCER, BUT AT THE MOMENT, IT IS

DEFINITELY NOT TRUE IN

HEALTHCARE AND WE HAVE A LONG

WAY TO GO.

SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR THE STATE

TO MOVE FORWARD ON ITS OWN, BUT

THE REASON I WOULD GIVE HIM THAT

HIGH A GRADE IS THAT THIS

GOVERNOR, UNLIKE HIS TWO

PREDECESSORS, WHO WE FOUGHT WITH

TO MAKE PROGRESS, IS VERY

DEDICATED TO TRUE REFORM, WHICH

MEANS UNIVERSAL, COVERING

EVERYONE, AND WHAT SINGLE PAYOR

MEANS -- AND IT'S A VERY CLUNKY

TERM -- IS SIMPLY THAT IT'S

COMPREHENSIVE IN TERMS OF ITS

FINANCING AND SIMPLIFIED SO

WE'RE NOT WASTING A QUARTER OF

OUR HEALTHCARE DOLLARS ON

ADMINISTRATION.

I WOULD SAY THAT HE HAS MOVED IT

FORWARD AS FAST AS HE COULD,

GIVEN HESITANCY IN THE

LEGISLATURE AND SKEPTICISM,

WHICH IS APPROPRIATE, BUT

SKEPTICISM IS APPROPRIATE UNTIL

IT'S SIMPLY BECOMES

FENCE-SITTING.

WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

OUR BUSINESSES CAN'T AFFORD TO

STAY ON THE PATH WE'RE ON.

>> B-PLUS.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT AGREE WITH

THAT, BUT AS WE COME OFF THIS

BOTCHED ROLLOUT OF THAT WEBSITE

AND VERMONT IS REALLY GOING TO

SPEND THE NEXT SIX OR EIGHT

MONTHS TRYING TO GET THIS ALL

RIGHT AND KIND OF GET IT IN

ORDER.

WHAT DO -- WHAT DOES VERMONT

HAVE TO DO TO GET IT RIGHT?

>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE

TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE

AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND THE

ROLLOUT OF THE EXCHANGES

RELATIVE TO THAT WHICH, AS I

SAY, AS A COMPLEX HODGEPODGE

NON-SYSTEM, REALLY, AND TRUE

HEALTHCARE REFORM.

SO UNDER THE AFFORDABLE CARE

ACT, VERMONT HAS A REQUIREMENT

TO IMPLEMENT CERTAIN THINGS,

AND, OF COURSE, THE ROLLOUT OF

THE WEBSITE WAS VERY POORLY DONE

AND THE CONTRACTORS AND ALL

THAT, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT

THING TO DO AS FAR AS MANAGING

THAT KIND OF THING, AND I DON'T

EVEN FIGURE THAT INTO THE GRADE

FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM BECAUSE

THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO

DO ALONG THE WAY.

WHAT WE WILL BE DOING AS A STATE

IS GETTING THE NEXT PART, WHICH

IS WAIVERS FROM THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT, TO BE ABLE TO FOLD

ALL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

STREAMS OF MONEY, TO SOME DEGREE

OR ANOTHER, TOGETHER TO BE ABLE

TO IMPLEMENT A UNIVERSAL

SINGLE-PAYOR PLAN OF OUR OWN.

SO THE REAL SCORING IS YET TO

COME, AND THE FINANCING PACKAGE

FOR THAT WILL BE EXTREMELY

COMPLEX.

BUT THE BASIC PRINCIPLES FOR

FINANCING IT -- AND KEEP IN

MIND, WE'RE PAYING FOR IT ALL

NOW, SO THE BASIC PRINCIPLES ARE

VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND WE HAVE

TO JUDGE EVERY ELEMENT AGAINST

THOSE BASIC PRINCIPLES.

>> WELL, YOU BROUGHT IT UP, THAT

BIG QUESTION: HOW IN THE WORLD

ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS?

VERMONTERS HAVE BEEN WAITING TO

SEE PROPOSALS AND A PLAN, HAVE

THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO SEE

SOME OF THOSE THINGS, HAVE NOT

YET.

IS IT FAIR TO LEAVE VERMONT

TAXPAYERS HANGING ON THIS ISSUE?

>> WELL, WE'VE HAD -- IF YOU

WANT TO SEE A PLAN FOR

FINANCING, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE

BILL I WROTE IN 1994.

THAT HAD A PLAN FOR FINANCING

IT.

HOWEVER, OF COURSE, THE NUMBERS

HAVE CHANGED.

AT THAT TIME, WE WERE WORRIED

ABOUT A CRISIS IN VERMONT OF

HEALTHCARE COSTS GOING FROM 1.4

TO $1.6 BILLION.

WE'RE NOW BEYOND 5, SO THINGS

HAVE CHANGED A GREAT DEAL AND

THE EMPHASIS AND THE NEED FOR

HEALTHCARE REFORM AS A MATTER OF

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND

ECONOMIC SUSTAINABILITY IS MORE

CRITICAL THAN EVER.

THAT'S WHY I GOT INTO THIS RACE,

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO KEEP MOVING

FORWARD.

BUT THE DETAILS WILL COME OUT

WHEN THEY COME OUT.

THE ADMINISTRATION IS HIRING NEW

CONSULTANTS.

AS I SAID, THESE THINGS ARE VERY

COMPLEX.

WE'VE BEEN WAITING 30 YEARS FOR

THIS REFORM, REALLY MORE, BUT

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SERIOUSLY

TALKING ABOUT IT FOR 30 YEARS,

AND IF WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER

SIX MONTHS OR ANOTHER NINE

MONTHS TO GET DETAILS THAT WE

CAN ALL CHEW ON AND NEGOTIATE

TOGETHER AND DEBATE TOGETHER,

KEEP IN MIND, ONCE WE HAVE A

STATE-SPONSORED PLAN THAT COVERS

EVERYONE, THE DEBATE WILL NEVER

END.

AS A PEOPLE, THOUGH, WE WILL BE

ABLE TO DEBATE WHAT'S COVERED,

HOW IT'S COVERED, ARE THERE

COPAYS, DEDUCTIBLES, AND THOSE

DECISIONS WILL BE MADE 100% BY

VERMONTERS RATHER THAN BY BOARDS

OF INSURANCE COMPANIES IN

CONNECTICUT OR THROUGHOUT THE

WORLD.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT ANOTHER

MONEY ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP

SINCE YOUR DECISION TO RUN.

BY RAISING ABOUT $17,000 THROUGH

THESE VERY SMALL DONATIONS, $50

OR LESS, YOU HAVE QUALIFIED FOR

PUBLIC FINANCING.

AND BASICALLY, THAT MEANS THAT

TAXPAYERS' MONEY WILL HELP COVER

YOUR CAMPAIGN.

>> RIGHT.

>> WHY GO THAT ROUTE?

>> I THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL AND

WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN, I SAID

RIGHT AWAY THAT IT WAS CRITICAL

TO SEEK PUBLIC FINANCING.

I DECIDED TO RUN QUITE LATE.

I KNOW THIS ALL SEEMS INCREDIBLY

EARLY AND I WOULD LOVE TO WAIT

UNTIL LABOR DAY ALSO TO CAMPAIGN

BECAUSE CAMPAIGNING IS NOT MY

FAVORITE THING, BUT I SAID WE

WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS.

VERMONT HAS A TRICK CLEAN MONEY

ELECTIONS LAW, AND

UNFORTUNATELY, IT ONLY COVERS

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR AND GOVERNOR

RACES.

I WANT TO SHOW THAT IT CAN BE

DONE, ALTHOUGH IT'S INCREDIBLY

DIFFICULT.

WHEN I DECIDED TO RUN, WE HAD --

IT TURNS OUT -- 38 DAYS TO

QUALIFY AND WE QUALIFIED IN 37,

SO IF I HAD DECIDED TWO DAYS

LATER, WE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE

IT.

IF I DECIDED A COUPLE OF MONTHS

EARLIER, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN

THAT DIFFICULT.

BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY OVER $19,000

FROM OVER 800 PEOPLE THAT WE

GOT.

YOU HAVE TO GET 17-5 FROM AT

LEAST 750 PEOPLE, AND THE

AVERAGE THERE IS $23 AND NOT

EVERYBODY CAN GIVE $23, SO

SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO RAISE

MONEY FROM MORE PEOPLE AND MANY

OF THEM ARE $5 AND SOME OF THEM

ARE ONE DOLLAR.

THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT

ONLY -- NO MORE THAN 25% CAN BE

FROM ANY ONE COUNTY, AND SINCE

CHITTENDEN COUNTY IS 25% OF THE

STATE, THAT MAKES IT VERY

NECESSARY TO GET CONTRIBUTIONS

THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STATE, AND

WE DID.

WE HAD AN INCREDIBLE

ORGANIZATION OF VOLUNTEERS WHO

HIT THE PHONES AND HIT THE

STREETS, AND WE WERE OUT AT THE

FARMERS MARKETS AND THE PARADES,

AND GETTING CONTRIBUTIONS IN THE

STREETS, FIVE DOLLARS AT A TIME,

AND IT'S JUST EXCITING, AND I

THINK IT SHOULD BE THE MODEL FOR

ALL ELECTIONS, INCLUDING STATE

REP AND STATE SENATOR.

>> DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL MORE

CONFIDENT GOING INTO A RACE LIKE

THIS WITH A LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR

WHO HAS WON TWICE, WHO EXPERTS

SAY IS PRETTY POPULAR, HAVING

THAT KIND OF SUPPORT STATEWIDE?

>> IT CERTAINLY DOES.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT FEELING.

FIRST OF ALL, I HAD NO IDEA

WHETHER PEOPLE REMEMBERED ME

FROM THE LEGISLATURE, AND I GOT

COMMUNICATIONS WITH FOLKS FROM

EVERY CORNER OF THE STATE THAT

WERE SO INCREDIBLY POSITIVE FROM

THOSE TIMES.

OBVIOUSLY, IN THE LEGISLATURE, I

MADE FRIENDS IN EVERY PARTY.

WHEN I WAS THERE, THERE WERE

ONLY THREE OF US FOR SOME OF

THAT TIME, AND SO I WAS THE

SMALLEST PARTY LEADER IN THE

LEGISLATURE, AND YOU CAN'T GET

ANYTHING DONE IF YOU DON'T MAKE

COALITIONS WITH DEMOCRATS AND

REPUBLICANS.

AND AS A RESULT, MOST OF MY

BILLS THAT I SPONSORED -- AND I

SPONSORED A LOT OF BILLS -- HAD

TRI-PARTISAN SPONSORSHIP, WHICH

WAS THEN A VERY NEW THING.

>> THE FLIP SIDE IS THE

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR SAYS THIS

REALLY IS NOT HOW TAXPAYERS

SHOULD BE SPENDING THEIR MONEY.

>> WELL, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S

ABOUT.

IF, IN A DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE

ARE GOING TO OWN THEIR

ELECTIONS, BE ABLE TO FIND OUT

INFORMATION FROM CANDIDATES ON

AN EQUITABLE BASIS, REASONABLY

EQUITABLE BASIS, NOT JUST

RELYING ON RICH PEOPLE, I WILL

PUT MY 826 CONTRIBUTORS UP

AGAINST THE EQUIVALENT ONES THAT

THE PRESENT LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR

HAS AS OF HIS LAST FILING, 17.

MINE WERE 100% SMALL AND ZERO

PERCENT LARGE, AND HIS WERE 100%

LARGE AND ZERO PERCENT SMALL.

THOSE ARE NOT ORDINARY

VERMONTERS.

SO I'LL PUT MY 800 AGAINST HIS

17 ANYTIME, AND I THINK

VERMONTERS HAVE TO OWN THEIR OWN

DEMOCRACY, NOT LET MILLIONAIRES

INSIDE OR OUTSIDE, CORPORATIONS

OR PACs OWN THEIR DEMOCRACY,

SPEND A TINY BIT OF MONEY ON

FUNDING THE ELECTIONS AND THEN

MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS, AND

THAT CAN SAVE FAR MORE MONEY IN

TERMS OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE

MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT THEY

ELECT.

>> SPEAKING OF PEOPLE SPENDING

THEIR MOAN, THERE WERE A LOT

OF -- MONEY, THERE WERE A LOT OF

VOTERS WHO SAID WE DON'T WANT TO

PAY THIS MUCH FOR EDUCATION.

WE'RE COMING OFF VOTES WHERE

SOMETIMES IT'S TAKEN THREE, FOUR

TIMES FOR COMMUNITIES TO PASS

SCHOOL BUDGETS.

THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT

CONSOLIDATION.

DO YOU SUPPORT THAT?

>> I DON'T -- WELL, THERE'S A

BIG ISSUE ABOUT SCHOOL FINANCE

AND HOW WE'RE FINANCING IT NOW

BASED PRIMARILY ON THE PROPERTY

TAX, WHICH IS A TERRIBLE IDEA,

AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS OVER THE

YEARS AS INCOME TAXES HAVE BEEN

REDUCED ON THE WEALTHY, AND

PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW MUCH

THAT'S HAPPENED IN VERMONT,

PROPERTY TAXES HAVE INCREASED

DISPROPORTIONATELY, AND THAT

REALLY HURTS MIDDLE INCOME

VERMONTERS.

NOW, THAT'S MADE IT MORE AND

MORE AND MORE PAINFUL.

NOW, THE OTHER RELATED BUT

DIFFERENT ISSUE OF CONSOLIDATION

IS SOMETHING I DO NOT SUPPORT AS

FAR AS SOMETHING BEING FORCED BY

THE STATE.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A STUDY

THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS

INDICATED THAT ANY MONEY WOULD

ACTUALLY BE SAVED, AND PEOPLE

LIKE TO -- POLITICIANS LIKE TO

PLAY A LOT OF LIPS SERVICE FOR

LOCAL CONTROL, BUT WHEN IT

REALLY COMES PUSH TO SHOVE --

PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, MANY OF

THEM SIMPLY DO WHAT IS

EXPEDIENT.

NOW, IF THERE WERE SAVINGS, IT

WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT IF THE

STATE WANTED TO TAKE A POSITION

OF SUPPORTING COMMUNITIES,

TECHNICALLY OR PERHAPS EVEN WITH

FUNDING, THAT SAW A COMBINATION

AMONG THEMSELVES AS BENEFICIAL,

THEN THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE

WELCOME IN MY OPINION.

>> SO WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

>> THE SOLUTION IS TO STOP

CUTTING INCOME TAXES AND STOP

SHIFTING THE BURDEN ON TO THE

LOCAL PROPERTY TAX FOR

EDUCATION.

WE HAVE SORT OF A HALFWAY

MEASURE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VERY

IMPORTANT SUPREME COURT CASE IN

VERMONT SEVERAL YEARS BACK

SAYING THAT SCHOOL CHILDREN HAD

TO BE TREATED MORE FAIRLY AND

YOU COULDN'T HAVE THREE OR FOUR

TIMES THE SPENDING IN ONE SCHOOL

DISTRICT ON A KID THAT YOU HAVE

IN ANOTHER ONE.

AND SO THE STATE DID SOME LAWS

TO MAKE THAT MORE FAIR, MORE

SHARING, AND COMBINE THAT WITH

INCOME SENSITIVITY TO REDUCE THE

BURDEN ON LOW-INCOME PEOPLE TO

SOME DEGREE, AND YET THE OTHER

HALF OF THE EQUATION, FAIRNESS

TO THE TAXPAYER, THAT WAS NEVER

PART OF THE SUPREME COURT

DECISION.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD

BE ADDRESSING LONG-TERM IS TO

GET BACK THAT A TAXPAYER IN ONE

TOWN AND ANOTHER TOWN, A CITY,

IS TREATED MUCH MORE FAIRLY THAN

THEY ARE NOW.

AND MOST FAIR WAY TO DO THAT IS

TRUE AN INCOME TAX, NOT THROUGH

A PROPERTY TAX.

ALSO, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT

WE WASTE A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY

ADMINISTERING PROPERTY TAXES.

THEY'RE VERY INEFFICIENT.

IT INVOLVES A HUGE STATE

BUREAUCRACY, INVOLVES

BUREAUCRACY IN EVERY TOWN, EVERY

CITY, AND IT WASTES A LOT OF

MONEY.

>> WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

DEAN CORREN, THE PROGRESSIVE

CANDIDATE FOR LIEUTENANT

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Experts say, the race for

Lt. Governor in Vermont may be

>>> WELCOME BACK.

EXPERTS SAY THE RACE FOR

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IN VERMONT

MAY BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE ONE

STATEWIDE.

WE ARE TALKING WITH DEAN CORREN,

THE PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE FOR

LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, WHO WAS

JUST ENDORSED BY GOVERNOR PETER

SHUMLIN.

THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR BEING WITH

US.

>> THANK YOU, JULIE.

>> LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT

RENEWABLE MANY AND THAT IS --

THAT'S WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING.

HOW ARE WE DOING HERE IN

VERMONT?

>> WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING FAIRLY

WELL AND I HAVE TO AGAIN GIVE

CREDIT TO THE SHUMLIN

ADMINISTRATION FOR REALLY MOVING

THE BALL FORWARD.

THEY'VE DONE A LOT NOT JUST IN

RENEWABLES, BUT IN GETTING OUR

ENTIRE ENERGY PICTURE MUCH

CLEARER THAN IT WAS BEFORE AND

DOING SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS

WE NEED TO DO, PARTICULARLY

CONSERVATION.

WE HAVE A HUGE POOL -- WE'VE

DONE A LOT, VERMONT HAS REALLY

COME A LONG WAY IN THE LAST 20

YEARS, BUT WE STILL HAVE A HUGE

POOL OF VERY COST-EFFECTIVE

CONSERVATION MEASURES WE CAN DO

TO SAVE VERMONTERS MONEY HEATING

THEIR HOMES, PARTICULARLY, AND

BUSINESSES, AND EXPORT LESS

MONEY OUT OF OUR ECONOMY TO BUY

ENERGY.

>> WHAT ARE SOME OF THE --

>> THAT'S REALLY NUMBER ONE.

>> -- THINGS SPECIFICALLY?

>> BUILDING WEATHERIZATION IS

ONE AND NOT JUST LOW-INCOME

WEATHERIZATION, BUT

WEATHERIZATION GENERALLY AND

THIS GETS INTO THE ISSUE OF THE

STATE BANK BECAUSE COMING UP

WITH THE FINANCING FOR THESE

COST-EFFECTIVE MEASURES THAT PAY

THEMSELVES BACK, THEY'RE BETTER

INVESTMENTS THAN YOU CAN GET IN

AN ONLINE BANK THESE DAYS OR IN

MANY CDs, THESE ARE INVESTMENTS

THAT WILL HELP THE ENVIRONMENT,

SAVE US MONEY, AND BACK IN THE

1970s, IT WAS SAID IT WAS BETTER

THAN A FREE LUNCH, IT'S THE

LUNCH YOU GET PAID TO EAT.

THE PROBLEM IS COMING UP WITH

THE CAPITAL AND INDIVIDUAL

HOMEOWNERS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO

COME UP WITH THE CAPITAL, PLUS

THEY CAN PAY MUCH HIGHER RATES

FOR THE MONEY.

SO THE STATE CAN REALLY HELP

OUT, MAKING SEED INVESTMENTS IN

THOSE EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENTS

AND LEVERAGE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT

OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT AT THE

SAME TIME.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING

THAT ALL OF US CAN RELATE TO,

AND THAT IS OUR BANK ACCOUNT.

HERE IN VERMONT, THE MIDDLE

CLASS REALLY STAGNANT IN WHAT WE

ARE EARNING, HAVE BEEN FOR THE

LAST FIVE YEARS.

>> RIGHT.

>> THOSE JOBS THAT ARE BEING

CREATED REALLY ARE LOWER-END

JOBS.

WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING RIGHT

NOW TO HELP THE MIDDLE CLASS IN

VERMONT?

>> WELL, LONGER TERM BUT

STARTING NOW, AND IT'S ALREADY

STARTED, BUT WE NEED TO

ACCELERATE EFFORTS TO TRAIN THE

VERMONT WORKFORCE FOR THE NEW

ECONOMY.

WE CANNOT BE PUTTING OUR

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS

INTO ATTRACTING SMOKE STACKS

FROM OUT OF STATE.

HOLDING ON TO THEM ITSELF IS

VERY DIFFICULT, AS YOU CAN SEE

WITH IBM.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO HAVE

HOME-GROWN BUSINESSES.

WE HAVE INCREDIBLE POTENTIAL IN

VERMONT FOR HOMEGROWN BUSINESSES

IN RENEWABLE ENERGY, THAT'S ONE

OF OUR FASTERS GROWING SECTORS,

AND HIGH-TECH SOFTWARE

BUSINESSES THAT WE HAVE A

BUSINESS DEALER.COM IN

BURLINGTON THAT IS -- A BUSINESS

THAT DIDN'T EXIST 15 YEARS AGO,

AND NOW IT'S EMPLOYING, I DON'T

KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE.

THE ECONOMY HAS GROWN AS A

RESULT OF OUR HIGH-SPEED FIBER

NETWORK.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WORLD-CLASS

LEADING SOFTWARE AND HIGH-TECH

BUSINESSES, AND THAT'S REALLY

WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

WE HAVE A GROWING -- I'M

FAMILIAR WITH CHAMPLAIN COLLEGE

A LITTLE BIT, WE HAVE A GROWING

ABILITY TO TRAIN PEOPLE IN THESE

FIELDS AND THEN RETRAIN OTHER

WORKERS OBVIOUSLY WHO LOSE THEIR

JOB THROUGH A LARGE BUSINESS

GOING OUT.

BUT IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE'RE

GROWING BUSINESSES THAT ARE

VERMONT BUSINESSES THAT HAVE NO

REASON TO LEAVE THE STATE OF

VERMONT AND KEEP THOSE JOBS

HERE.

>> WITH AN IBM, WHICH YOU

BROUGHT UP, THOSE 4,000 JOBS

SEEM PRETTY CRITICAL AND MEAN A

LOT TO OUR ECONOMY.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY WE SHOULD BE

DOING RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT THEM?

>> WELL, THE FACT IS -- AND IT'S

AN UNFORTUNATE FACT, BUT WHEN

YOU GO DOWN THAT DIRECTION OF

HAVING A VERY LARGE EMPLOYER,

YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, YOU

KNOW, WORLD-CLASS TECHNOLOGY AND

SOME REALLY GOOD JOBS AND

HIGH-PAYING SKILLED JOBS, AND

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TRAINING TOO

AND PEOPLE CAN MOVE UP.

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN,

YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM THAT IF

THEY LEAVE, YOU CAN REALLY BE

DEVASTATED, AND OBVIOUSLY WE

DON'T WANT THOSE FACILITIES TO

BE SHUTTERED, WE DON'T EXPECT

THEY WOULD BE SHUTTERED, AND WE

DON'T WANT TO LOSE THOSE JOBS.

HOWEVER, IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY.

THEY MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.

THEY HAVE IMPERATIVES BASED ON

THEIR OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE

WORLD, SO THERE'S A VERY LIMITED

AMOUNT A STATE LIKE VERMONT CAN

DO.

WE CANNOT COMPETE WITH THE STATE

OF NEW YORK FOR TAX INCENTIVES,

CASH GRANTS, AND THAT SORT OF

THING.

WE CAN DO, FOR MUCH SMALLER

BUSINESSES, SOME THINGS WHERE WE

ACTUALLY INCENT THEM TO CREATE

JOBS.

WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE,

WE WERE JUST GIVING MONEY AWAY

WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED

WHATSOEVER, AND IT DIDN'T WORK.

WE JUST WASTED MONEY GIVING IT

AWAY TO BUSINESS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE STRINGS

ATTACHED.

THEY HAVE TO PROVE THEY'RE

CREATING JOBS AND AFTER A

CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY VPT

CREATED THE JOBS, THE MONEY HAS

TO GO BACK TO THE TAXPAYER.

>> THE REALITY, THOUGH, THOSE

SMALLER BUSINESSES JUST AREN'T

THE SAME AS THOSE BIG IMPERS.

>> WELL, THEY'RE MUCH -- BIG

EMPLOYERS.

>> THEY'RE MUCH MORE STABLE,

THEY'RE MUCH MORE VERMONT

ORIENTED AND THEY ADD UP TO BIG

JOBS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE MAJORITY OF

JOBS COMING FROM LARGE

EMPLOYERS, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE

COMING FROM SMALL EMPLOYERS AND

THAT WILL GROW THEM FASTER AND

THAT WILL MAKE US IMMUNE TO THE

KIND OF SHOCK AND STRESS WE CAN

GO THROUGH WHEN AN IBM IS

THINKING ABOUT LEAVING.

>> AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR, IF

YOU WIN, YOU WOULD BASICALLY RUN

THE PROCEDURES IN THE STATE

SENATE.

YOU DON'T HAVE A VOTE.

WHAT IS YOUR --

>> SOMETIMES YOU DO.

>> SOMETIMES YOU DO.

WHAT IS YOUR MANAGEMENT STYLE?

>> MY MANAGE MANY STYLE IS VERY

COLLABORATIVE.

I LIKE TO HEAR ALL THE FACTS AND

GET PEOPLE TO AGREE.

I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE MAJORITY

ON ANYTHING, SO WHEN I WAS ON

THE ELECTRIC COMMISSION IN

BURLINGTON, WE HAD DEMOCRATS,

REPUBLICANS, AND PEOPLE OF

PARTY -- EVEN NOT PARTISAN, PER

SE, PEOPLE'S PARTIES WERE WELL

KNOWN AND WHEN I CHAIR THAT, WE

PUT INTO PLACE WITH TOTAL

SUPPORT THE PROBABLY LARGEST

PER-CAPITA INVESTMENT IN

CONSERVATION AS OPPOSED TO

BUYING NEW POWER AND WE GREW

VERMONT'S ECONOMY TREMENDOUSLY

WHILE REDUCING THE USE OF

ELECTRICITY.

SO WE SAVED A TON OF MONEY AND

EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY ABOUT THAT

OUTCOME.

AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS, THE

DECISION WE MADE ON THE HYDRO

PLANT, THAT THE VOTERS JUST THIS

MARCH VOTED TO BUY ALL THAT WAS

SET UP IN THE EARLY '90s AND WE

CLOSED VERMONT YANKEE

COLLABORATIVELY.

BACK IN THE EARLY '90s WE SET TO

IT CLOSE IN 2002 FOR BURLINGTON

AND IT DID AND WE SAVED MONEY AS

A RESULT.

SO JUST WORKING TOGETHER ON

ISSUES, IT REALLY, FOR A

LEGISLATOR -- AND, OF COURSE,

THERE IS THIS BIT OF LEGISLATIVE

ROLE FOR THE LIEUTENANT

GOVERNOR, BOTH AS PART OF THE

COMMITTEE ON COMMITTEES THAT

DESIGNED WHO'S GOING TO BE

RUNNING WHAT COMMITTEE, AND ALSO

BREAKING TIE VOTES, BUT AS A

LEGISLATOR, THE REAL KEY IS TO

ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.

>> DEAN CORREN, THANK YOU SO

MUCH FOR JOINING US THIS

MORNING.

>> WELL, THANK YOU, JULIE.

>> WE APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR

"YOU CAN QUOTE ME."

HAVE A NICE DAY.

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