YCQM: August 26, 2018

BURLINGTON, Vt. >> Announcer: FROM WCAX, THIS IS
"YOU CAN QUOTE ME."
>> Darren: GOOD MORNING,
EVERYONE.
I'M DARREN PERRON.
RIGHT NOW ON "YOU CAN QUOTE ME,"
MARIJUANA MATTERS.
NEW DETAILS ABOUT WHAT VERMONT'S
MARIJUANA MARKET MIGHT LOOK
LIKE.
A VERMONT MAN BATTLES CANCER
WHAT COMEDY, YOU'LL MEET HIM
PLUS, WHERE IS MY MONEY?
A QUESTION MANY VERMONTERS ARE
ASKING THIS MORNING ABOUT TARDY
TAX REFUNDS, WHAT'S THE HOLD-UP?
THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS
MORNING.
CHANNEL 3 NEWS FOLLOWING YOUR
TAX MONEY.
THOUSANDS OF YOU STILL DON'T
HAVE YOUR TAX RETURNS BACK FROM
THE STATE, INCLUDING CHANNEL 3'S
CAT VIGLIENZONI, WHO WENT TO
FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> Cat: AFTER MY LAST STORY, A
LOT OF YOU WROTE TO ME SAYING
YOURS WEREN'T HERE EITHER.
I WENT TO THE STATE TO FIND OUT.
>> Samsom: WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR
CASE IS THE BOXES BEING KIND OF
OFFSET A LITTLE BIT ON "CHECK
HERE IF TAXPAYER IS DECEASED,"
THAT ACTUALLY THE SYSTEM READ,
BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AS BEING
FILLED OUT OR CHECK-BOXED.
>> Cat: SO THEY THOUGHT I WAS
DEAD?
>> Samsom: YUP, THEY THOUGHT YOU
HAD PASSED IN 2017.
>> Cat: THAT'S RIGHT, MY DELAY
WAS FROM AN OLD SCANNING SYSTEM
THAT TURNED A CRISP CLEAN
PRINTOUT INTO A FUZZY MESS.
TAX COMMISSIONER KAJ SAMSOM SAYS
THEY'RE CURRENTLY UPGRADING
THEIR SCANNERS TO KEEP THAT FROM
HAPPENING TO PAPER-FILED RETURNS
IN THE FUTURE.
AS OF TUESDAY, 4,500 PEOPLE WHO
FILED ON TIME STILL DON'T HAVE
THEIR MONEY BACK FIVE MONTHS
AFTER THE FILING DEADLINE.
>> Samsom: IT'S NOT WHERE WE
WANT TO BE.
>> Cat: HE SAYS SOME COMMON
DELAYS INCLUDE SCANNING ERRORS,
LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO MINE.
ALSO, MISSING OR MISMATCHING
DATA AND FLAGGED NAMES AND
SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS.
>> Samsom: I THINK AT THIS POINT
ALL OF THESE RETURNS NEED HUMAN
EYES ON THEM, AND TO SOME
EXTENT, IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE.
IT'S KIND OF BAD LUCK TO BE AT
THE BOTTOM OF THE PILE.
>> Cat: STARTING UNION 1st,
THE -- JUNE 1st, THE STATE
STARTS OWING YOU MORE MONEY FOR
A LATE REFUND.
NOT A LOT, PROBABLY NOT MORE
THAN A COUPLE OF DOLLARS
DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF YOUR
RETURN.
BUT IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHY YOUR
FEDERAL REFUND CAME BACK SO FAST
AND YOUR STATE ONE IS DELAYED,
SAMSOM SAYS IT'S BECAUSE VERMONT
BLOCKS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
IMPROPER PAYMENTS THAT FEDERAL
OFFICIALS MIGHT LET SLIDE.
BUT HE ALSO SAYS THE STATE MIGHT
BE TOO STRICT.
>> Samsom: WE PROBABLY CAN LIFT
OR SLACKEN SOME OF OUR CONTROLS,
ALLOW FOR GREATER TIMELINESS,
FASTER PROCESSING WITHOUT REALLY
MOVING THE NEEDLE ON FRAUD.
>> Cat: AND HE SAYS RETURNS THIS
YEAR ARE NOT ABNORMAL, BUT THEY
ARE PLANNING TO DO BETTER.
>> Samsom: AS FAR AS SAVING
TAXPAYERS MONEY AND REDUCING
IMPROPER PAYMENTS, IT'S A
SUCCESS.
BUT WE WILL GET TO A POINT NEXT
YEAR AND IN THE COMING YEARS
WHERE WE ARE NOT HAVING THESE
CONVERSATIONS.
>> Darren: AND CAT JOINS ME NOW.
GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
>> Cat: GOOD MORNING.
>> Darren: THANKFULLY YOU'RE NOT
DEAD.
>> Cat: ABSOLUTELY.
I'M VERY MUCH ALIVE.
>> Darren: DID YOU GET YOUR
TAXES CLEARED UP?
>> Cat: IN THE SENSE THAT I KNOW
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM, YES.
IN THE SENSE OF ME HAVING A
CHECK IN MY HAND, NO.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF YES IN THAT I
KNOW WHY THEY'RE DELAYED, BUT
NO, I DON'T HAVE THAT REFUND
CHECK BACK IN MY HANDS YET.
>> Darren: WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO?
IF THEY, LIKE YOU, ARE STILL
WAITING.
>> Cat: THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE TAX DEPARTMENT SAYS YOU CAN
CONTACT THEM.
I MEAN, ACTUALLY TALKING TO THE
COMMISSIONER, I SAID WHY DON'T
YOU UPDATE YOUR WEBSITE TO SAY
THE DELAY COULD BE LONGER FROM
X-MANY WEEKS.
HE SAID WE WANT TO HEAR FROM
PEOPLE AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
TIME BECAUSE IT WOULD BE UNUSUAL
TO NOT HAVE THEIR TAX RETURNS.
YOU CAN CONTACT THEM BY PHONE OR
EMAIL AND THEY ALSO HAVE AN
OPTION ONLINE WHERE YOU CAN PUT
IN YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
AND THE EXACT AMOUNT OF YOUR
REFUND AND YOU CAN CHECK TO SEE
WHERE YOUR RETURN IS, AND IT
WILL TELL YOU WHETHER IT'S
PROCESSED.
>> Darren: YOU MENTIONED THE OLD
SCANNING EQUIPMENT.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER
REASONS FOR THESE DELAYS?
>> Cat: THE BIGGEST ONES ARE,
WELL, THE SCANNING ONE AS A BIG
ONE, BUT ALSO YOUR NAME OR
SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER IS PART
OF A BREACH, YOU'VE HAD AN
IDENTITY FRAUD, THAT CAN DELAY
YOUR RETURN BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
MAKE SURE NO ONE IS TRYING TO
STEAL YOUR TAX MONEY.
THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT AS
WELL.
>> Darren: IS THAT THE KIND OF
FRAUD THEY'RE LOOKING OUT FOR
THEN, RIGHT NOW?
>> Cat: IN A SENSE, YEAH, A LOT
OF THAT IS PEOPLE TRYING TO
STEAL PEOPLE'S REFUNDS EITHER BY
STEALING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY
NUMBER OR OTHER TAX DATA.
AND OTHER TYPES OF FRAUD LIKE
PEOPLE NOT INCLUDING INCOME ON
THEIR TAX RETURN, MAYBE THEY
DIDN'T PUT A W-2 DOWN THEY GOT
FROM AN EMPLOYER OR A PURPOSE.
FRAUD IS A HARD WORD TO USE
BECAUSE IT IMPLIES INTENT AND
TIMES SOMEONE MAY HAVE MADE AN
HONEST MISTAKE, BUT THEY HAVE TO
CATCH THAT BECAUSE AS THEY WERE
POINTING OUT, THE STATE COULD
MISS OUT ON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
IF THEY DON'T CATCH THESE.
YEAH, COULD THEY PROCESS RETURNS
QUICKLY AND JUST RUBBER-STAMP A
LOT OF IT?
YEAH, BUT THEN THE STATE MIGHT
LOSE OUT ON A LOT OF MONEY AND
SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET, THEY
HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR THAT MONEY
THEY LOST.
>> Darren: DID THEY GIVE YOU AN
INDICATION?
YOU MENTIONED MILLIONS.
HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT HERE?
>> Cat: THEY THREW OUT A FIGURE
OF ABOUT 16 MILLION WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THINGS LIKE INCOME NOT
BEING REPORTED OR PEOPLE NOT
FILLING OUT FORMS CORRECTLY, SO
LIKE A RENTER REBATE FORM THAT
DOESN'T INCLUDE EVERYONE IN THE
HOUSEHOLD.
IT HAS TO INCLUDE EVERYONE IN
THE HOUSEHOLD.
BUT THEY ALSO SAID THEY RETURNED
ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS TO
PEOPLE WHO FILLED OUT THEIR
FORMS INCORRECTLY AND FORGOT A
W-2 AND SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MONEY
FROM THAT.
THEY DID RETURN MONEY AS WELL,
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A GIVE
AND TAKE.
>> Darren: ANY IDEA, YOU TOUCHED
ON THIS, WHY FEDERAL RETURNS --
YOU WOULD THINK THIS IS
COUNTERINTUITIVE.
THEY HAVE SO MANY TO PROCESS,
WHY THEY'RE SO MUCH FASTER.
>> Cat: I DID TOUCH ON THAT A
LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK
THAT'S THE QUESTION EVERYBODY
ASKS, INCLUDING ME.
I GOT MY FEDERAL RETURN BACK
PRETTY QUICKLY.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO HAS
A HIGHER TOLERANCE FOR, YOU
KNOW, EITHER AN ERROR OR
SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL LET SLIDE
AND JUST FOR THE SHEER VOLUME
THAT THEY HAVE.
THEY CAN'T DO THE SAME LEVEL OF
DETAIL AS CHECKING THAT THE
VERMONT TAX DEPARTMENT COULD AND
THAT'S THE WAY THE COMMISSIONER
DESCRIBED IT IS VERMONT IS VERY
THOROUGH.
HOWEVER, THE COMMISSIONER ALSO
SAID WE MIGHT BE TOO THOROUGH.
THERE MIGHT BE THINGS WE CAN DO
TO GET PEOPLE THEIR MONEY BACK
FASTER THAT WOULDN'T REALLY
LEAVE VERMONT OPEN TO FRAUD, SO
THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT RIGHT
KNEW.
HE SAYS AFTER EVERY TAX SEASON,
THEY DO AN ASSESSMENT OF WHAT
CAN WE DO BETTER NEXT YEAR, WHAT
CAN WE LOOSEN UP, BUT UNLESS
DON'T HAVE FRAUD COMING THROUGH.
>> Darren: ON 4500 VERMONTERS
STILL WAITING.
DID YOU GET ANY SENSE OF WHEN
THEY GET THEIR MONEY?
>> Cat: I DID ASK THAT AND THEY
SAID IT'S REALLY HARD TO TELL
BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE
RETURN IS FLAGGED OR DELAYED
FOR.
SOME OF THEM, IF THEY'RE REALLY
COMPLICATED, THEY COULD TAKE A
LOOK AT AND SOME OF THEM LIKE
MINE, IT'S A SIMPLE FIX, KNOWING
I'M NOT DEAD.
PART OF THAT IS JUST WHERE YOU
ARE IN THE PILE.
HE INDICATED WITH ME IN HIS
INTERVIEW WITH ME, IT'S A LITTLE
BIT OF BAD LUCK, FOR INSTANCE,
ME RETURN GOT SCANNED IN WRONG,
FLAGGED, AND ENDED UP AT THE
BOTTOM OF A PILE SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S WHY I'M WAITING SO LONG.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SAID YOUR
RETURN HAS TO WAIT FOR LONGER
THAN USUAL.
HE SAID IN THE COMING WEEKS, HOW
MANY WEEKS HE COULDN'T SAY FOR
SURE IN TERMS OF EVERYBODY'S TAX
RETURNS, BUT THEY'VE BEEN MAKING
A GOOD AMOUNT OF PROGRESS
BECAUSE WHEN I CHECKED IN IN
JULY, IT WAS 11,000 THAT WERE
STILL WAITING.
I CHECKED IN BEGINNING OF
AUGUST, IT WAS 6900, AND THEN
WHEN I CHECKED IN JUST THIS PAST
WEEK, IT WAS 4500, SO THEY ARE
BRINGING THE NUMBERS DOWN OUT OF
THE 230,000 THAT THEY PROCESS
TOTAL.
THE NUMBERS ARE COMING DOWN.
MAYBE NOT AS -- IF YOU'RE
WAITING FOR YOUR MONEY, NOT FAST
ENOUGH, BUT THEY ARE COMING
DOWN.
>> Darren: I HOPE YOU GET YOUR
CHECK SOON.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> Cat: ABSOLUTELY.
>> Darren: LET'S HEAD TO THE
NEWSROOM NOW TO SEE WHAT'S
COMING UP AT THE TOP OF THE
HOUR.
SCOTT, GOOD MORNING.
>> Scott: HEY, DARREN.
COMING UP A EVENT THAT HAS
HELPED MAKE HOMES ACCESSIBLE FOR
PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES
CELEBRATES A MILESTONE TODAY.
PLUS, SOME PEOPLE ARE CALLING
HIM THE NEXT MR. ROGERS.
HE'S CURRENTLY FILMING HIS
CURRENT SEASON OF A NEW SHOW.
PLUS, IT WAS GONE FOR A WHILE,
BUT THE HUMIDITY WILL BE MAKING
ITS WAY BACK FOR THE WORK WEEK.
WE'LL HAVE YOUR COMPLETE MAX
ADVANTAGE FORECAST.
WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE TOP OF THE
HOUR.
>> Darren: SCOTT, THANK YOU.
UP NEXT, BUYING AND SELLING
LEGAL WEED.
A LOOK AT PROPOSALS UNDER
CONSIDERATION IN VERMONT.
PLUS, MOST PEOPLE DON'T FIND
CANCER FUNNY, BUT THIS COMEDIAN
IS TAKING A LIGHT HEARTED
APPROACH TO HIS DIAGNOSIS.
THAT'S STILL AHEAD ON
CHANNEL 3'S "YOU CAN QUOTE ME."
WE'RE BACK IN A MOMENT.
>> Darren: WE'VE NEW DETAILS
ABOUT WHAT A FUTURE MARIJUANA
MARKET IN VERMONT MIGHT LOOK
LIKE.
RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T BUY OR SELL
RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA IN
VERMONT WITHOUT BREAKING THE
LAW.
BUT ALSO RIGHT NOW, A MARIJUANA
COMMISSION IS FIGURING OUT HOW
TO CREATE A MARKET.
AND THAT INVOLVES ANSWERING BIG
QUESTIONS LIKE HOW MUCH
INVOLVEMENT THE STATE SHOULD
HAVE, HOW TO SUPPORT COMMUNITIES
THAT DO OR DON'T WANT MARIJUANA
BUSINESSES IN THEIR AREA, AND
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MEDICAL
MARIJUANA INDUSTRY.
CAT VIGLIENZONI FOUND OUT WHICH
IDEAS ARE TAKING SHAPE.
>> Harrington: WHAT THEY REALLY
NEED IS CLARITY.
AMBIGUITY IS BAD FOR BUSINESS
AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE COMPLIANT.
THEY KNOW IT'S VERY DELICATE.
>> Cat: ELI HARRINGTON IS THE
CO-FOUNDER OF HEADY VERMONT.
THE ORGANIZATION HAS ALREADY
HEARD FROM MANY VERMONTERS WHO
WANT TO START UP
MARIJUANA-RELATED VENTURES HERE.
BUT IT'S HARD TO LAY THE
FOUNDATION FOR A BUSINESS WHEN
QUESTIONS OF WHERE THAT BUSINESS
WILL EVEN BE ALLOWED REMAIN UP
IN THE AIR.
>> Harrington: WE NEED TO
UNDERSTAND HOW THESE ARE GOING
TO WORK WITH ZONING LAWS, WITH
CULTIVATION.
>> Bolio: IF PEOPLE ARE OUT
THERE USING THE PRODUCT, AT
LEAST THEY SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY
ARE GOING TO BE BUYING AND
PURCHASING AND USING AND
CONSUMING.
>> Cat: CRAIG BOLIO CHAIRS THE
TAXATION AND REGULATION
SUBCOMMITTEE TASKED WITH
PROVIDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE
GOVERNOR'S MARIJUANA STUDY
COMMISSION ON HOW THE STATE
SHOULD HANDLE A FUTURE MARIJUANA
MARKET.
THEY'RE STILL IN DISCUSSIONS,
BUT SOME OF THEIR
RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE:
NOT MARKETING TO CHILDREN.
CLEAR DOSAGE LABELING SO PEOPLE
DON'T GET SICK.
AND A TAX STRUCTURE THAT'S
SIMPLE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO
ADMINISTER AND IN LINE WITH WHAT
OTHER STATES MAY DO.
BECAUSE WE AREN'T THE ONLY ONES
IN THE NORTHEAST CONSIDERING A
MARIJUANA MARKET.
>> Bolio: SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR
US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TAX IS
BOTH GOING TO FUND THE PROGRAMS
THAT WE NEED IT TO FUND FOR BOTH
PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH AND
EDUCATION, BUT ALSO IS STILL
COMPETITIVE IN THE MARSELIS
PARSONS TO SUPPRESS THE ILLICIT
MARKET AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
>> Cat: WHICH ALSO MEANS THE
STATE CAN'T PUT TOO HIGH OF AN
EXCISE TAX ON MARIJUANA IF AND
WHEN IT DOES BECOME LEGAL TO
SELL.
BOLIO SAYS IF THEY DID, THE
BLACK MARKET WOULD THRIVE AND
THEY WOULDN'T MAKE MONEY FROM
THE REGULATED MARKET BECAUSE NO
ONE WOULD WANT TO BUY.
>> Bolio: AT THE END OF THE DAY,
I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN CREATES A
REVENUE INCREASE FOR US.
>> Cat: SO YOU HAVE TO STRIKE A
BALANCE THEN?
>> Bolio: YES.
>> Cat: HARRINGTON SAYS THE
STATE NEEDS TO WORK QUICKLY, BUT
STRATEGICALLY TO MAKE SURE THEIR
FARMERS HAVE THE SUPPLY READY IF
AND WHEN THEY CHOOSE TO LEGALIZE
A MARKET.
>> Harrington: WE NEED TO KNOW
BY MARCH WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
SO THEY CAN GET STARTS READY AND
PLANT AN OUTDOOR CROP,
POTENTIALLY, NEXT YEAR.
TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
>> Darren: THE DEPUTY TAX
COMMISSIONER SAYS HIS
SUBCOMMITTEE WILL HAVE THEIR
RECOMMENDATIONS READY FOR THE
GOVERNOR'S MARIJUANA STUDY
COMMISSION BY OCTOBER 15th.
THE COMMISSION'S REPORT IS DUE
TO THE GOVERNOR DECEMBER 15th.
CAT ALSO LEARNED ABOUT OTHER
CHALLENGES AND HOW MUCH THE TAX
DEPARTMENT THINKS THE MARIJUANA
MARKET WOULD BRING IN.
HERE IS MORE OF HER SIT-DOWN
INTERVIEW WITH CRAIG BOLIO.
>> Bolio: A LOT OF OUR
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FAIRLY SET
AT THIS POINT.
A LOT ARE COMING FROM OTHER
STATES.
THERE ARE SOME BIGGER OPEN
QUESTIONS THAT WILL LITTLE BE
FOR THE COMMISSION TO --
ULTIMATELY BE FOR THE COMMISSION
TO DECIDE AND ULTIMATELY THE
LEGISLATURE AND THE
ADMINISTRATION TO COME TO TERMS
WITH.
SOME OF THOSE BIGGER QUESTIONS,
IN OUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA
FACILITIES, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO
BE VERSALLY INTEGRATED, SO THEY
NEED TO TO THE GROWING,
CULTIVATION, RETAIL SALE.
THAT'S VERY HELPFUL FROM AN
EQUAL PERSPECTIVE, PARTICULARLY
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
MEDICINE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE
GETTING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO
BE GETTING, BUT IT ALSO MAKES IT
VERY CHALLENGING TO GET INTO THE
SPACE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS
WE'RE TACKLING.
ANOTHER ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT IS
WHAT LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT THE
STATE SHOULD HAVE, PARTICULARLY
WITH DISTRIBUTION, OWNERSHIP AND
RETAIL.
YOU KNOW, THE MODEL FOR LIQUOR
IN VERMONT IS THAT THE STATE
OWNS IT AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE
OPEN QUESTIONS OF SHOULD THE
STATE OWN IT, COULD THE STATE
OWN IT WITH FEDERAL
PROHIBITIONS.
AND ALSO ANOTHER BIG QUESTION IS
JUST HOW DO WE HELP SUPPORT
LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT MAY
EITHER REALLY WANT THIS OR MAY
REALLY NOT WANT THIS, TO BE ABLE
TO GIVE THEM THE AUTONOMY TO
MAKE THAT DECISION FOR
THEMSELVES, WHAT KIND OF
TIMELINES DO THEY NEED TO BE
ABLE TO DO THAT, WHAT KIND OF
INFRASTRUCTURE DO THEY NEED,
ZONING REGULATIONS, ALL THOSE
KINDS OF THINGS.
OUR WORK IS REALLY TO PROVIDE
RECOMMENDATION DON'T COMMISSION
WHICH ULTIMATELY GOES TO THE
ADMINISTRATION AND THEN THE
LEGISLATURE WHERE THE
DECISION-MAKING CAPABILITY.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS MANY OF
THEM ARE SOLID, ARE
NON-CONTROVERSIAL AND WRAPPING
UP, SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL
BE ABLE TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS ON
THIS.
>> Cat: ARE THERE ANY EARLY
ESTIMATES ON WHAT KIND OF MONEY
THE STATE WOULD SEE FROM A TAX
AND REGULATED MARKET?
>> Bolio: YEAH, THERE ARE.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE RATE
THAT WE PICK.
I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS -- AND
I CAN CORRECT THIS IF I
MISSPEAK -- I THINK ARE ABOUT IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 10 TO
15 MILLION DEPENDING ON WHAT THE
RATE IS.
WE'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO
THE COMMISSION AND FOLKS THAT IT
WON'T NECESSARILY BE A MAJOR NET
REVENUE TO THE STATE.
IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP FUND
THE PROGRAMS WITH PUBLIC SAFETY
AND EDUCATION.
OUR DISCUSSION SHOWS THAT TENDS
TO BE HOW IT GOES, AT THE END OF
THE DAY IT FUNDS THOSE PROGRAMS,
BUT SHOULD NOT BE SEEN AS A HUGE
INFLUX OF CASH.
>> Cat: WHAT STATES DID YOU LOOK
AT FOR MODELS?
WERE THERE ANY PARTICULAR ONES
THAT WERE DOING IT WELL?
SOME OF THEM HAD BETTER SUCCESS
THAN OTHERS.
>> Bolio: WE DISCUSSED A LOT
WITH WASHINGTON, COLORADO,
OREGON.
WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM
RHODE ISLAND COME AND MANY OF
THEM, THE VALUE IN OUR
DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM IS THAT
THEY ARE PROVIDING LESSONS
LEARNED ABOUT WAYS TO GO ABOUT
THIS SO THAT FOLKS STAY HEALTHY,
FOLKS STAY EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT
THEY NEED TO DO, AND ALSO TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE REVENUE
STRUCTURE IS REASONABLE.
ONE OF THE GOES OF THE
GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER IS TO
HELP PROTECT SMALL BUSINESSES
AND SMALL VERMONT FARMERS IF
THEY WANT TO ENTER INTO THIS
SPACE, SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US
TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REGULATORY
STRUCTURE CAN BE NAVIGATED BY
THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES.
>> Cat: AND FROM THE FEDERAL
SIDE OF THINGS, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY
KIND OF AN ONGOING QUESTION
MARK.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT -- LIKE
WHERE DOES THE STATE HAVE TO
KIND OF MANAGE THAT?
BECAUSE THAT MONEY MAY OR MAY
NOT BE LEGAL DENYING ON HOW THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS --
DEPENDING ON HOW THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WANTS TO LOOK AT IT.
>> Bolio: IT'S AN INTERESTING
QUESTION.
I THINK THE STATES ARE JUST IN A
DIFFICULT SPACE WHERE, YOU KNOW,
THEY DON'T HAVE GREAT GUIDANCE
ON THIS AND I THINK ONE OF THE
BIGGEST, BIGGEST THINGS THAT THE
STATES ARE TRYING TO COME
TOGETHER TO DO IS TRY TO GET
CLARIFICATION FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
I THINK WHAT THIS ENDS UP
CREATING IS A LOT OF THE
VOLATILITY IN THE MARKET NOT
JUST FOR THE STATES, BUT THE
PARTICIPANTS.
IT CAN CREATE CHALLENGES WITH
THEM BEING ABLE TO INTERACT WITH
BANKS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES,
NOT ONLY FOR DEPOSITORY
ACCOUNTS, BUT THINGS LIKE SMALL
BUSINESS LOANS THAT CAN BE
DIFFICULT TO OPERATE WITHOUT.
I THINK ANY KIND OF CLARITY THAT
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN
PROVIDE WOULD BE USEFUL HERE,
BUT WE'RE IN A PLACE RIGHT NOW
WHERE A LOT OF STATES ARE DOING
THIS.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HASN'T
COME AND CRACKED DOWN YET, BUT I
THINK WE'RE JUST SORT OF
TRUDGING FORWARD AND AWAITING
MORE INFO ON THAT FRONT.
>> Cat: WHAT ARE THE CURRENT
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT QUALITY
CONTROL WITHIN THE MARKET?
BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE
CURRENT ISSUES IS, YOU KNOW, YOU
GET GIFTED IT, YOU DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S IN THE BAG, AT LEAST
YOU -- YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT'S
IN THE BAG, BUT YOU DON'T
REALLY, SO THERE'S NO SET BAR
OF, LIKE, THIS IS THIS
PERCENTAGE THC AND THIS IS WHAT
YOU KNOW YOU'RE GETTING AND THIS
IS YOUR RECOURSE IF YOU DON'T
GET WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE
BUYING.
WHAT ARE THE DISCUSSIONS FOR
THAT RIGHT NOW?
>> Bolio: THAT'S A GREAT
QUESTION.
IN THE MEDICAL SPACE, THERE IS
TESTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
THE VERTICAL INTEGRATION
CONTROLS OF THAT AND OUR
RECOMMENDS ARE CLEAR LABELS FOR
PERCENTAGE OR DOSAGE OF THC IN
EACH DOSE AND I THINK THAT WILL
PROVIDE SOME CLARITY.
REALLY, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF
MOVING FORWARD ON SOMETHING LIKE
THIS IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY PART
OF IT, RIGHT?
IF PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE USING
THE PRODUCT, AT LEAST THEY
SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING
TO BE BUYING AND PURCHASING AND
USING AND CONSUMING, SO I THINK
THAT THAT'S A BIG FOCUS FOR OUR
SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE CLEAR
AND THAT THAT REALLY BENEFITS
VERMONTERS.
>> Darren: UP NEXT, FINDING THE
FUNNY IN A FRIGHTENING CANCER
DIAGNOSIS.
DON'T GO AWAY.
>> Darren: THE C-WORD NO ONE
WANTS TO HEAR: CANCER.
BUT IT'S A WORD OUR NEXT GUEST
HEARD WHEN HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
RECTAL CANCER TWO YEARS AGO, AND
NOW HE'S TURNED THAT NEWS INTO A
COMEDY SHOW IN PART TO RAISE
AWARENESS ABOUT A CANCER NOT A
LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT.
TIM KAVANAUGH IS KNOWN AROUND
VERMONT FOR HOSTING A TALK SHOW,
A GAME SHOW, AND AS AN ACTOR,
AND NOW A COMEDIAN.
HE HAS A ONE-MAN SHOW, YOU SEE
IT THERE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SAY
ON IT TV.
BUT HERE'S A PART OF HIS ACT.
TAKE A LISTEN.
>> Kavanaugh: ALSO, SURVIVORS,
PUT YOUR HANDS UP.
BOTH HANDS UP, THERE WE GO.
THERE WE GO, LOOK AT THAT.
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL WORLD THIS IS,
RIGHT?
[ APPLAUSE ]
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL WORD.
EVERY TIME I SAY RECTUM, I WANT
YOU GUYS TO SAY DAMN NEAR KILLED
HIM, OKAY?
ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO.
RECTUM.
>> All: DAMN NEAR KILLED HIM.
>> Kavanaugh: BEAUTIFUL.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
MY RECTUM --
>> All: DAMN NEAR KILLED HIM.
>> Kavanaugh: GOOD JOB.
WHAT IF I HAD A DIFFERENT TYPE
OF CANCER?
WHAT WE HAVE CALLED THE SLOW?
WHAT IF I HAD TESTICULAR CANCER,
WOULD IT BE TWO-BY-TWO, OR MAYBE
ONE-BY-ONE.
>> Darren: TIM KAVANAUGH JOINS
ME NOW.
GOOD MORNING.
>> Kavanaugh: GOOD MORNING,
DARREN.
>> Darren: NICE TO SEE YOU.
WHY DO THIS?
WHY TAKE A PERSONAL DIAGNOSIS
AND TURN INTO IN A COMEDIC SHOW?
>> Kavanaugh: I THINK IT'S
BECAUSE COMEDY IS WHAT I'VE
KNOWN BEST FROM MY ENTIRE LIFE,
FROM A VERY YOUNG AGE IN GRADE
SCHOOL, GETTING KICKED OUT AND
GETTING SENT TO THE PRINCIPAL'S
OFFICE, I KNEW I COULD MAKE
PEOPLE LAUGH AND IT MADE ME FEEL
GOOD KNOWING THAT I WAS MAKING
PEOPLE FEEL GOOD.
WHEN I GOT DIAGNOSED, KNOWING
THAT I KNOW ENERGY AND HUMOR
BEST, THAT WAS THE JOURNEY I
WANTED TO TALK, THAT WAS THE
TRACK LINE I WANTED TO FOLLOW
WITH MY OWN PERSONAL DIAGNOSIS.
>> Darren: WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT
CANCER, THOUGH?
>> Kavanaugh: NOTHING FUNNY
ABOUT IT, UNFORTUNATELY.
IT'S A VERY SERIOUS THING AND I
TAKE IT SERIOUS AND I TAKE IT
SERIOUS TO THOSE I'VE MET WITH
AND FRIENDS ALONG THE WAY AND
LOVED ONES WHO HAVE BEEN
DIAGNOSED.
SO IT'S NOT FUNNY, BUT IT'S JUST
HOW I TAKE MY OWN
SELF-DEPRECATING HUMOR AND APPLY
IT TOWARDS MY EXPERIENCE.
>> Darren: SO GIVE ME SOME
EXAMPLES THEN OF WHAT COULD BE
FUNNY ABOUT THIS IN REGARDS TO
YOUR OWN STRUGGLE.
>> Kavanaugh: YEAH, I MEAN, JUST
SOME OF THE JOURNEYS ALONG THE
WAY.
SOME OF IT IS ALMOST HORRIFIC,
NOT EVEN HUMOROUS AS FAR AS SOME
OF THE TREATMENTS I WENT THROUGH
AND SOME OF THE PATHWAYS, BUT
YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE KNOWING THAT
GOING SHOULD RADIATION
TREATMENT, BECAUSE I HAD RECTAL
CANCER, ALL DIGNITY IS CHECKED
AT THE DOOR WHEN YOU WALK IN, SO
I'M ALL ABOUT CRAZY AND STUFF
LIKE THAT.
AND I KNOW YOU ARE, TOO, WITH
SOCKS, SO WE BOTH LIKE HAVE OUR
OWN COLLECTION OF CRAZY SOCKS.
>> Darren: TRUE.
>> Kavanaugh: I WOULD TAKE THE
FOCUS OFF OF MY BUTT BEING
EXPOSED AND ALWAYS WEAR THESE
CRAZY SOCKS AND IT BECAME THIS
RUNNING JOKE WITH THE ENTIRE
RADIATION TEAM.
WE HAD SO MUCH FUN.
THEN THEY STARTED WEARING SOCKS
AND FOR MY LAST TREATMENT, I
GAVE THEM ALL SOCKS AND TO MY
PARTNER CANDY, I GAVE HER A
SHARPIE AND HAD HER WRITE THANK
YOU ON MY BUTT SO WHEN I LAID
DOWN FOR MY LAST TREATMENT,
THERE WAS A BIG THANK YOU ON MY
BUTT.
>> Darren: THAT'S FUNNY.
SO WHO'S COMING TO THE SHOWS?
IS IT OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE
BATTLING CANCER?
IS IT SURVIVORS, IS IT A MIX OF
EVERYONE?
>> Kavanaugh: IT'S A MIX OF
EVERYONE.
I DID THE SHOW FIRST OFF TO
FRIENDS AND FAMILY JUST TO KIND
OF LIKE FEEL IT OUT AND TEST THE
WATERS, AND THEN I RECRAFTED IT
FROM THERE.
BECAUSE I WAS HONORED AND ASKED
TO BE THE KEYNOTE SPEAKER FOR
STOWE WEEKEND OF HOPE, WHICH
BRINGS IN OVER 800 CANCER
PATIENTS AND SURVIVORS AND CARE
PROVIDERS TO STOWE EVERY SINGLE
YEAR.
SO I WAS THEIR KEYNOTE SPEAKER,
AND I AGREED TO DO THE KEYNOTE,
BUT I SAID CAN I DO THE POOP
SHOW INSTEAD?
>> Darren: WE'LL CALL IT THE
POOP SHOW ON THE AREA.
>> Kavanaugh: THE POOP SHOW.
THEY SAID ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN.
SO MY FIRST APPROACH INTO THIS
WAS IN FRONT OF 800 PEOPLE AND
IT WAS WONDERFUL.
WE GOT THE BEST FEEDBACK FROM IT
BECAUSE PEOPLE COULD SAY, OH, I
REMEMBER WHEN I WENT THROUGH
EXACTLY THAT OR LIKE I CAN'T
BELIEVE YOU DEALT WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS JUST REALLY
NICE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT
FEEDBACK.
SINCE THEN, WE'VE DONE IT A
COUPLE DIFFERENT PLACES,
INCLUDING RIGHT HERE IN
BURLINGTON AT THE VERMONT COMEDY
CLUB.
IT WAS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
WE PACKED THE HOUSE AND WHAT I
AGREED TO DO IS THAT A
PERCENTAGE OF PROCEEDS WILL
ALWAYS GO TO A LOCAL CANCER
ORGANIZATION.
SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR SHOW ON
AUGUST 5th, PROCEEDS WENT TO
COUNTRY PATIENT SUPPORT
FOUNDATION, WHICH IS THE VERMONT
EMERGENCY FUND FOR CANCER
PATIENTS.
>> Darren: AWESOME.
IN YOUR ACT, YOU MENTIONED THAT
YOU BELIEVE YOU WERE CHOSEN FOR
CANCER.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> Kavanaugh: YOU KNOW, I THINK
IT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL REEK
FLEXION ON IT.
WE'RE -- PERSONAL REFLECTION ON
IT.
WE'RE DIAGNOSED WITH IT,
UNFORTUNATELY, AND PEOPLE GET
CANCER AND I DIDN'T LIKE THE
SOUND OF THAT.
I FEEL THAT I WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE
THIF CRAFT, I HAVE WHAT I FEEL A
GIFT AND THAT GIFT IS TO PROVIDE
HUMOR AND A LIFT TO INDIVIDUALS
WHETHER THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IT
OR A LOVED ONE IS GOING THROUGH
IT.
SO I REALLY, WHEN I WAS
DIAGNOSED AND STARTED GOING
THROUGH IT, PEOPLE WERE
RECOGNIZING THIS SENSE OF HUMOR
THAT I HAD AROUND IT AND SAID
YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH
THIS.
THAT'S KIND OF WHEN I REALIZED
THAT I DIDN'T GET CANCER, I WAS
CHOSEN FOR IT BECAUSE THIS IS
THE MESSAGE I HAVE TO BRING
FORWARD.
>> Darren: AND WHERE ARE YOU IN
YOUR TREATMENT RIGHT NOW?
>> Kavanaugh: WE'RE TAKING A
LITTLE BIT OF A -- WE'VE TAKEN A
SIDE STEP HERE.
EVERYTHING WAS GOING GREAT UP
UNTIL ABOUT A WEEK AND A HALF
AGO.
I WAS OVER A YEAR OUTSIDE OF MY
LAST RADIATION TREATMENT.
I WAS JUST OVER A YEAR FROM MY
SURGERY.
I HAD A COLONOSCOPY WHICH SHOWED
UP FINE.
WE DID A CT SCAN WHICH SHOWED
SOME LYMPH NODES THAT WERE A
LITTLE BIT INFLAMED, SO WE DID A
PET SCAN.
THE PET SCAN SHOWED -- WHAT
HAPPENS WITH THE PET SCAN IS
THEY PUT RADIATION, RADIOACTIVE
RADIATION INTO YOUR BODY TO
LIGHT IT UP AND THERE ARE THREE
AREAS THAT HAVE NOW LIT UP.
IN THE SAME, SO IT IS LOCALIZED.
IT'S EARLY IN THE STAGES.
WE'RE WAITING THE RESULTS OF THE
BIOPSIES AND SO GOES THE, YOU
KNOW, THE JOURNEY OFS SOMEONE
WHO'S GOING THROUGH THIS.
>> Darren: GETTING BACK TO THE
SHOW, WHERE CAN PEOPLE SEE IT?
>> Kavanaugh: RIGHT NOW WE'RE
WORKING WITH A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT GROUPS.
WE HAVE INTEREST IN A CLUB
OUTSIDE OF BOSTON, SWAMPSKOT.
THEY'RE ALSO INTEREST AM MAINE,
MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE,
CHICAGO AND WASHINGTON, D.C., SO
WE'RE WORKING WITH THOSE.
AND AGAIN, THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO
PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF HUMOR
THROUGH SOMETHING THAT ISN'T
TYPICALLY VERY HUMOROUS, BUT
ALSO A WAY TO GIVE BACK TO
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
>> Darren: WISH YOU LOTS OF
LUCK, BUDDY.
>> Kavanaugh: THANK YOU.
WHAT ABOUT THE SOCKS?
WHAT DO YOU GOT FOR SOCKS TODAY?
>> Darren: OH, GOOD, THEY'RE
GOOD ONES.
THERE WE ARE.
>> Kavanaugh: FLAMINGOS.
>> Darren: BEST OF LUCK TO YOU,
PAL.
NICE TO SEE YOU.
TAKE IT EASY, EVERYBODY.
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