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>> Announcer: FROM WCAX, THIS IS

"YOU CAN QUOTE ME.">> Darren: GOOD MORNING,

EVERYONE. I'M DARREN PERRON.

RIGHT NOW ON "YOU CAN QUOTE ME,"

SUPER SUNDAY.

THE PATRIOTS AND EAGLES FACE OFF

IN SUPER BOWL LII LATER TODAY.

WE'LL BREAK DOWN THE MATCH-UP A

BIT LATER.

ALSO, REACTION TO THE STATE OF

THE UNION AND ANALYSIS OF WHAT

PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID.

PLUS, THE CEO OF A VERMONT

UTILITY MIGHT NOW WANT TO LEAD

THE STATE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE

BEGIN THIS MORNING.

SHE IS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING A

RUN FOR GOVERNOR.

CHRISTINE HALLQUIST TELLS

CHANNEL 3 NEWS SHE WOULD RUN AS

A DEMOCRAT AND CHALLENGE

REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR PHIL SCOTT

IN THE COMING ELECTION.

HALLQUIST IS THE CEO AT VERMONT

ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.

SHE TELLS US SHE'S TAKING THE

MONTH OF FEBRUARY TO DECIDE IF

SHE'LL TOSS HER HAT IN THE RING.

SHE COULD MAKE HISTORY AND

HEADLINES BECAUSE SHE IS

TRANSGENDER.

YOU MIGHT REMEMBER HALLQUIST

INVITED CHANNEL 3 NEWS TO TELL

HER STORY OF TRANSITIONING A FEW

YEARS AGO.

THIS MORNING, EVA McCANN SITS

DOWN WITH HER.

>> Eva: WHY DO YOU WANT TO RUN?

>> Hallquist: I WANT TO RUN

BECAUSE I LOVE VERMONT.

I LOVE VERMONT AND HOW WE ALL

WORK TOGETHER.

I GO ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN MY

JOB AS A UTILITY MANAGER AND I

LOOK AT HOW PEOPLE WORK WITH

REGULATORY AND LEGISLATURE IN

OTHER STATES AND IT'S SO NICE TO

COME BACK TO VERMONT WHERE WE'RE

ALL PULLING TOGETHER, WE'RE

RESPECTFUL, WE'RE DECENT, AND

VERMONT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE

FIRST IN CIVIL RIGHTS.

I FEEL THAT OUR VERMONT WAY OF

LIFE IS THREATENED WITH THE HEAD

WINDS THAT ARE COMING FROM

WASHINGTON.

>> Eva: WHY AND HOW?

>> Hallquist: I ALSO FEEL WE'RE

THREATENED FINANCIALLY.

WE SEE EXAMPLES OF WHAPG WITH

BURLINGTON IF WE DON'T STEP IN

LINE WITH IMMIGRATION, FUNDING

CAN GET PULLED.

I BELIEVE WE'RE SEEING OVERREACH

OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND

IT'S ALL ABOUT THOSE POLICIES OF

CREATING ENEMIES, GOING AFTER

THE OPPRESSED, AND I, I DON'T

WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN

VERMONT.

>> Eva: WHAT OTHER ISSUES DID

YOUR PLATFORM INCLUDE?

>> Hallquist: WELL, I ALSO

BELIEVE IN MINIMUM WAGE OF $15.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- AT WHAT'S

HAPPENING TECHNOLOGICALLY ACROSS

THE NATION, WE'RE SEEING JOBS

BEING DISPLACED BY AUTOMATION,

WHICH IS A GOOD THING.

WE WANT TO GET MORE PRODUCTIVE,

AND SO IN MY TRAVELS, I HAVE A

GOOD FRIEND WHO IS A CEO IN

KENTUCKY WHERE PEOPLE LOST THEIR

JOBS, COAL MINERS LOST THEIR

JOBS.

IT DISRUPTS FAMILIES, IT

DISRUPTS COMMUNITY, AND WE DON'T

HAVE SAFETY NETS WITH THAT AND

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW WITH

DRIVERLESS AUTOMATION, WE'RE

LOOKING AT TRUCKING INVESTING

HEAVILY IN DRIVERLESS

AUTOMATION, WE'RE GOING TO SEE

PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS FOR

DRIVING VEHICLES.

WE NEED TO HAVE STRONG SAFETY

NETS AND I WILL ALSO ADD THAT IN

THE LATE '60s, IF WE LOOK AT THE

INFLATION FROM THE LATE '60s,

OUR MINIMUM WAGE WOULD BE $22

RIGHT NOW.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION

OF IF WE'RE GOING TO DO $15 AN

HOUR, IT'S A QUESTION OF WHEN.

I ALSO BELIEVE HEALTHCARE IS A

VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON

HEALTHCARE IN THIS NATION.

WE NEED EVERY CITIZEN TO DESERVE

THE RIGHT TO GOOD HEALTHCARE AND

THAT IS REALLY SOMETHING WE HAVE

TO WORK WITH THE OTHER STATES

ON.

>> Eva: IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY

AT LEAST ONE DEMOCRAT IN THE

PRIMARY, JAMES EHLERS, AND WHAT

SETS YOU APART FROM HIM?

>> Hallquist: I BELIEVE I HAVE

DEPTH IN MANY AREAS.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT I'VE DONE IN

TERMS OF ENERGY AND MY BUSINESS

EXPERIENCE OF TAKING VERMONT

ELECTRIC CO-OP FROM BASICALLY

JUST ABOUT BANKRUPT IN THE STATE

TO WHERE IT IS TODAY, AND THE

ENERGY WE HAVE AT THE

COOPERATIVE, I CAN -- I SURROUND

MYSELF WITH GOOD PEOPLE AND

THOSE PEOPLE ARE REALLY HAPPY

AND WE ALL WORK TOGETHER.

SO CREATING THAT ENERGY AND THE

BUSINESS EXPERIENCE, ALSO

COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT I

HAVE CONTINUED TO WORK THESE

CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES ON A

PERSONAL ISSUE, YOU KNOW, SO

IT'S -- SO I CAN HANDLE MULTIPLE

ISSUES AND I DON'T -- I'M

UNFLAPPABLE.

>> Eva: WHAT'S GOVERNOR SCOTT

DOING WRONG?

>> Hallquist: I WOULDN'T SAY --

YOU KNOW, I LIKE GOVERNOR SCOTT,

I VOTED FOR HIM.

I'M ACTUALLY REGISTERED AS A

REPUBLICAN RIGHT NOW, BUT I WILL

SAY -- I THINK OF GEORGE AIKEN,

I LIKE TO SAY HE WAS MY FAVORITE

DEMOCRAT.

HE WAS A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR

FROM '37 TO '41 AND THEN WENT ON

TO REPRESENT US AS A REPUBLICAN,

BUT IT'S ABOUT LEADERSHIP AND

STRENGTH FOR OUR PRINCIPLES.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE -- I'M GOING TO

GO BACK TO GOVERNOR AIKEN AGAIN,

WHO FOUGHT McCARTHYISM, WHO

STOOD TALL FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND

AT THE SAME TIME REALLY TOOK

CARE OF RURAL AMERICA.

I WANT TO TELL YOU, RURAL

VERMONT IS NOT RECOVERING LIKE

CHITTENDEN COUNTY.

WE'RE NOT SEEING THE RECOVERY IN

THE NORTHEAST KINGDOM AND THE

OTHER AREAS OF VERMONT.

IT'S A MICROCOSM OF WHAT'S GOING

ON IN THE NATION.

NATIONALLY IF YOU LOOK AT RURAL

AMERICA AT THE TURN OF THE

CENTURY, ONE IN FIVE COUNTIES

WAS IN POVERTY LEVEL.

NOW IT'S ONE IN THREE.

WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THING IN

RURAL VERMONT, SO I DO HAVE SOME

IDEAS ABOUT HOW WE CAN GROW THE

VERMONT RURAL ECONOMY.

>> Eva: YOU WERE TREMENDOUSLY

BRAVE TO SHARE YOUR TRANSITION

WITH ALL OF US.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO VERMONTERS

WHO ARE STILL NOT THERE, WHO

STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT

MEANS TO BE TRANSGENDER AND ARE

NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS?

>> Hallquist: WELL, I WOULD SAY

LOOK AT MY RECORD, LOOK AT WHAT

I'VE DONE.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ASKING PEOPLE

TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ME

BEING TRANSGENDER.

I HAPPEN TO BE A LEADER WHO

HAPPENS TO BE TRANSGENDER.

I WOULD HAVE THEM OVERLOOK THOSE

DIFFERENCES JUST LIKE THEY WOULD

OVERLOOK DIFFERENCES WITH ANY

OTHER STRANGER.

IT'S -- I WOULD ENCOURAGE THOSE

FOLKS TO LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE

AND LOOK AT MY BACKGROUND RATHER

THAN WHO I AM THAT MIGHT OFFEND

THEM.

>> Eva: DO YOU THINK THAT THAT

IS A STRENGTH?

IS THAT PART OF -- GOING TO BE

PART OF THE CAMPAIGN, YOUR

TRANSGENDER IDENTITY?

>> Hallquist: I'M NOT GOING

TO -- IT'S NOT PART OF MY

CAMPAIGN, BUT IT HAS TAUGHT ME

SO MUCH.

I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING I'M

ALMOST EMBARRASSED TO SAY.

I LOOK BACK AT HOW NAIVE I WAS

TOWARDS GENDER BIAS.

WHEN I WAS A MAN, I DIDN'T

REALIZE ALL THOSE SUBTLE THINGS

THAT GO ON WITH MEN AND WOMEN,

AND I'LL GIVE THE, YOU KNOW, ONE

SIMPLE EXAMPLE.

AFTER I TRANSITIONED, A STRANGER

ON THE STREET SAID, SMILE

SWEETIE, AND AS A MAN, NOBODY

EVER TOLD ME TO SMILE.

IT'S LIKE, I DON'T FEEL LIKE

SMILING, YOU KNOW.

AND I HEAR THAT OFTEN.

AND I CAN GIVE LIST AND LIST AND

LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SUBTLE

THINGS THAT GO ON IN OUR CULTURE

WITH MEN VERSUS WOMEN AND I SEE

A VERY -- IT'S VERY IMPORTANT

WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY WITH THE

ME-TOO MOVEMENT.

I SHOULD ALSO TELL YOU THAT,

THAT HAS INSPIRED ME AS WELL.

>> Eva: YOU SAID YOU'LL MAKE A

FINAL DECISION ABOUT RUNNING BY

THE END OF FEBRUARY.

WHAT FACTORS ARE YOU STILL

CONSIDERING?

>> Hallquist: WELL, I WASN'T

SURE HOW WELL I'D BE RECEIVED.

CERTAINLY THIS DISCUSSION WE'RE

HAVING HERE, YOU KNOW, THE WAY

THINGS ARE -- HAVE BEEN RECEIVED

WITH THE SEVEN DAYS ARTICLE, I'M

SENDING OUT FEELERS BECAUSE, YOU

KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO THINK

YOU CAN RUN FOR OFFICE AND THE

OTHER SIDE IS AM I GOING TO HAVE

THE SUPPORT I NEED.

I'M VERY IMPRESSED JUST IN THE

FEW HOURS WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT

I'VE RECEIVED.

OUT OF CONSIDERATION FOR MY

BOARD, YOU KNOW, I WILL MAKE THE

DECISION BY FEBRUARY 20th.

I STILL HAVE A JOB TO DO,

VERMONT ELECTRIC CO-OP.

I WANT THAT TRANSITION TO BE

SMOOTH.

I WANT TO WORK WITH MY STAFF TO

IDENTIFY HOW THAT CAN HAPPEN, SO

I REALLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY

FINAL COMMITMENTS UNTIL FEBRUARY

20th.

>> Eva: IF YOU DECIDE TO GO

AHEAD AND RUN, WILL YOU LEAVE

YOUR POSITION?

>> Hallquist: YES, YES, I WOULD.

THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT

TODAY AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO

TAKE TIME TO PREPARE EVERYONE

FOR, MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD

PLAN.

I'M VERY HAPPY WITH WHERE OUR

COOPERATIVE TODAY IS.

IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, MY LIFE'S

WORK TO GET US TO THE POINT

WHERE WE CAN TALK BEYOND THE

METER AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE

ELECTRIC GRID TO HELP SOLVE

CLIMATE CHANGE.

THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHETHER

I'M THERE OR NOT, SO I FEEL GOOD

ABOUT WHERE THE CO-OP IS, WHERE

OUR CULTURE IS, AND I'M VERY

PROUD OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

>> Eva: HOW MANY YEARS HAVE BEEN

THERE NOW?

>> Hallquist: I'VE BEEN THERE

FOR 18 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN THE

CEO FOR 12 YEARS.

>> Eva: THAT WOULD BE HUGE TO

LEAVE.

IS IT WORTH IT?

>> Hallquist: THIS IS ABOUT MY

CHILDREN AND MY CHILDREN'S

CHILDREN.

THIS IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT

VERMONT IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE

FOR MANY GENERATIONS FOR COME.

THIS ISN'T REALLY ABOUT ME, AND

IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT CAN --

WHAT CAN I DO TO HELP US GET

THROUGH THESE DIFFICULT TIMES.

>> Eva: THANK YOU SO MUCH AND

BEST OF LUCK TO YOU.

>> Hallquist: THANK YOU.

>> Darren: ALSO IN THE RACE FOR

GOVERNOR, ETHAN SONNEBORN, A

13-YEAR-OLD MIDDLE SCHOOL

STUDENT FROM BRISTOL, AND AS EVA

MENTIONED, JAMES EHLERS.

HE'S ALSO A DEMOCRAT, AN

ENVIRONMENTALIST, AND THE

EXECUTIVE ORDER AT LAKE

CHAMPLAIN INTERNATIONAL.

HE'LL APPEAR ON "YOU CAN QUOTE

ME" LATER THIS MONTH.

UP NEXT IN THIS BROADCAST,

REACTION AND ANALYSIS OF

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S FIRST STATE OF

THE UNION ADDRESS, AND LATER, A

LOOK AT THE MATCH-UP BETWEEN THE

PATRIOTS AND THE EAGLES.

CHANNEL 3 SPORTS DIRECTOR JOINS

ME IN JUST A BIT.

>> Darren: THE LATEST NEWS AND

WEATHER AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR.

SCOTT'S IN THE NEWSROOM WITH

WHAT THE WEEKEND TEAM IS WORKING

ON.

HEY, SCOTT.

>> Scott: HEY, DARREN.

YEAH, IT'S GAME DAY, SUPER

BOWL LII, AND I SAY THINGS ARE

HEATING UP, BUT IT'S IN

MINNESOTA AND THE TEMPS HAVE

BEEN BELOW FREEZING ALL WEEK.

YOU KNOW, FAN IS SHORT FOR

FANATIC AND COMING UP, WE HAVE A

STORY ON ONE PATRIOTS FANATIC

THAT WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR

THE BIG GAME.

HE'S PREDICTING A WINNER TO THE

NEXT LEVEL.

ALSO, THURSDAY WAS INTERNATIONAL

CREPE DAY AND CREPES WERE

OFFERED FOR THE PUBLIC ALL DAY.

YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED A CHANGE IN

THE FLAVOR WITH THE CHOCOLATE

CREPES AND WE'LL TELL YOU WHY

THE RESTAURANT IS NO LONGER

USING NUT TELL.

>> Lance:.

PLUS, IT'S BEEN A COLD WEEKEND

AND WE MAY BE SEEING SNOW

THROUGHOUT OUR SUNDAY.

DAVE TELLS US WHAT TO EXPECT ALL

AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR.

>> Darren: THANK YOU, SCOTT.

THE PRESIDENT'S FIRST STATE OF

THE UNION ADDRESS CALLED FOR

UNITY AS HE LAID OUT HIS PLANS

FOR THE COMING YEARS, BUT AS

HANNAH REPORTS, NOT EVERYONE IS

FEELING UNIFIED.

>> Pres. Trump: THAT THE STATE

OF OUR UNION IS STRONG BECAUSE

OUR PEOPLE ARE STRONG.

[ APPLAUSE ]

>> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP IN

HIS FIRST STATE OF THE UNION

ADDRESS TOUTED ALL OF THE AREAS

HE SEES AS SUCCESSES SINCE

INAUGURATION DAY, JOB CREATION,

STOCK MARKET GAINS, TAX CUTS.

THE HOT BUTTON ISSUE, THOUGH,

THAT COULD BRING THE GOVERNMENT

TOWARDS THE BRINK OF ANOTHER

SHUTDOWN IN ABOUT A WEEK,

IMMIGRATION.

>> Pres. Trump: TONIGHT, I AM

EXTENDING AN OPEN HAND TO WORK

WITH MEMBERS OF BOTH PARTIES.

>> Reporter: AS EXPECTED,

MR. TRUMP CALLED FOR THE

CONSTRUCT OF A SOUTHERN BORDER

WALL, AN END TO VISA LOTTERIES

AND FAMILY-BASED IMMIGRATION.

IN EXCHANGE, HE OFFERED A PATH

TO CITIZENSHIP FOR 1.8 MILLION

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS BROUGHT HERE

AS CHILDREN.

>> Pres. Trump: UNDER OUR PLAN,

THOSE WHO MEET EDUCATION AND

WORK REQUIREMENTS AND SHOW GOOD

MORAL CHARACTER WILL BE ABLE TO

BECOME FULL CITIZENS OF THE

UNITED STATES.

>> Reporter: IN THEIR OFFICIAL

RESPONSE, DEMOCRATS THROUGH

MASSACHUSETTS REPRESENTATIVE JOE

KENNEDY III TOLD DACA DREAMERS,

QUOTE, WE WILL FIGHT FOR YOU.

HE THEN WENT AFTER THE

DIVISIVENESS OF THE TRUMP

ADMINISTRATION'S FIRST YEAR.

>> BULLIES MAY LAND A PUNCH,

THEY MAY LEAVE A MARK, BUT THEY

HAVE NEVER, NOT ONCE IN THE

HISTORY OF OUR UNITED STATES,

MANAGED TO MEET THE STRENGTH AND

SPIRIT OF A PEOPLE UNITED IN

DEFENSE OF THEIR FUTURE.

>> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP

CALLED FOR $1.5 TRILLION

INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING PLAN,

THOUGH HE DID NOT TALK MUCH OF

WHERE THAT MONEY WOULD COME

FROM.

>> Darren: REACTION TO THE

PRESIDENT'S SPEECH WAS SWIFT.

HERE IS ALEXANDER MONTGOMERY

WITH WHAT OUR LOCAL LEADERS ARE

SAYING.

>> Reporter: LAWMAKERS FROM OUR

REGION TOOK TO SOCIAL MEDIA TO

VOICE THEIR OPINIONS.

DEMOCRATIC ASCERTAIN CHUCK

SCHUMER WENT ON -- SENATOR CHUCK

SCHUMER WENT ON TWITTER SAYING

AMERICANS WERE LOOKING FOR A

UNIFYING VISION TO BUILD THE

COUNTRY, BUT THEY GOT FIRES THAT

STOKED DIVISION.

INDEPENDENT SENATOR BERNIE

SANDERS WENT LIVE ON FACEBOOK

AFTER THE SPEECH.

HE AGREED THE OFFICIAL

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS LOW, BUT HE

SAYS THE PRESIDENT FAILED TO

MENTION POOR JOB CREATION.

>> Sen. Sanders: HIS FIRST YEAR

IN OFFICE MARKED THE LOWEST

LEVEL OF JOB CREATION SINCE

2010.

>> Reporter: SENATOR SANDERS

ALSO SAYS ONLY 2% OF AMERICANS

REPORTED GETTING BONUSES OR

RAISES FROM THE PRESIDENT'S TAX

CUTS.

>> Sen. Sanders: THE RICH

CONTINUE TO GET MUCH RICHER

WHILE MILLIONS OF AMERICAN

WORKERS ARE WORKING TWO OR THREE

JOBS JUST TO KEEP THEIR HEADS

ABOVE WATER.

>> Reporter: REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR

CHRIS SUNUNU TWEETED IN SUPPORT

OF THE PRESIDENT SAYING, QUOTE,

THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT, TAX

REFORM HAS PROVIDED TREMENDOUS

RELIEF FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS AND

SMALL BUSINESSES.

IN BURLINGTON, ALEXANDER

MONTGOMERY, CHANNEL 3 NEWS.

>> Darren: CHANNEL 3'S EVA

McCANN SAT DOWN WITH AN EXPERT

ON PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS TO

ANALYZE MR. TRUMP'S SPEECH.

HERE'S HER INTERVIEW WITH

MIDDLEBURY COLLEGE POLITICAL

SCIENTIST MATT DICKINSON.

>> Eva: WHAT DID YOU THINK OF

THE SPEECH?

>> Dickinson: I THOUGHT TWO

ASPECTS OF IT STOOD OUT TO ME.

THE FIRST WAS HIS EFFORTS TO

PAINT A VERY OPTIMISTIC PICTURE

OF THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY AND

IT'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS UNDER HIS

STEWARDSHIP, FOCUSING IN

PARTICULAR ON THE ECONOMY, BUT

TAPET, THERE IS A DARK -- AT THE

SAME TIME, THERE IS A DARK

UNDERCURRENT IN HIS TONE.

A LOT OF SUCCESSES WERE PAIRED

WITH OVERCOMING OBSTACLES AND

YOU SAW THIS IN PARTICULAR WHEN

HE TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION.

HE TALKED ABOUT IMMIGRATION NOT

IN TERMS OF WHAT INCOMING

IMMIGRANTS BRING TO THE COUNTRY,

STRENGTHENING THE FIBER OF THE

COMMUNITY, BUT MORE ABOUT WHO WE

SHOULD KEEP OUT.

THAT WAS SORT OF A DARK SIDE.

AND THE SECOND THING THAT I

THOUGHT STOOD OUT AND REINFORCED

THAT FIRST POINT WAS HIS GUESTS.

HE HAD A NUMBER OF GUESTS THAT

HE BROUGHT IN.

THIS IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR STATE

OF THE UNION ADDRESSES, BUT WHAT

WAS INTERESTING IS A LOT OF

GUESTS WERE THERE BECAUSE THEY

HAD OVERCOME TRAGEDIES, THEY HAD

ESCAPED FROM NORTH KOREA OR

THEIR CHILDREN HAD BEEN KILLED

BY GANGS AND --

>> Eva: LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM.

THE FAMILIES BROUGHT IN WHOSE

CHILDREN DIED AT THE HANDS OF

UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS AND THE

MS-13 GANG.

DO YOU THINK THAT RESONATED,

DOING THAT, THAT THAT SORT OF

WON HIM POINTS WHEN IT COMES TO

THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE?

>> Dickinson: I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK THE WAY HE'S GOING TO

GET IMMIGRATION THROUGH,

COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION,

SOMETHING THAT GOES BEYOND DACA

AND ACTUALLY PROVIDES A

COMPREHENSIVE FRAMEWORK FOR

IMMIGRATION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO

DO THAT BY SCARING PEOPLE AND

PARTICULARLY DEMOCRATS.

YOU WANT TO BRING DEMOCRATS TO

THE TABLE BY UNDERSTANDING WHAT

IMMIGRATION DOES IN TERMS OF

STRENGTHENING SOCIETY.

THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS BELIEVE,

AND YOU HAVE TO PLAY THAT UP

MORE THAN I THINK WHAT THIS

TENDENCY TO FOCUS ON THE BAD

IMMIGRANTS DID.

>> Eva: WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY?

WILL HE GET CREDIT FOR WHERE THE

ECONOMY IS TODAY?

>> Dickinson: FOR BETTER OR

WORSE, PRESIDENTS TEND TO GET

REWARDED OR PUNISHED FOR THE

ECONOMY DEPENDING ON HOW IT DOES

BECAUSE THEY ARE VIEWED AS OUR

CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE

ECONOMY.

SO HE CLEARLY MADE AN EFFORT TO

MAKE THAT ISSUE MORE SALIENT,

AND ONE REASON, OF COURSE,

HEADING INTO THE 2018 ELECTIONS,

WE KNOW HISTORICALLY SITTING

PRESIDENT'S PARTIES DO NOT DO

WELL, SO HE'S TRYING TO HYPE THE

ECONOMY AND MAKE THAT THE MOST

IMPORTANT CRITERIA BY WHICH

PEOPLE CAST THEIR VOTE IN 2018.

I TELL YOU, HE WAS FAIRLY

SUCCESSFUL AT THAT LAST NIGHT,

BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE IN THE

LONG-TERM WHETHER THAT LAYS OFF

AT THE BALLOT BOX.

>> Eva: WE'RE LEARNING FROM CBS

POLLING THAT HE GOT HIGH MARKS

FOR HIS ADDRESS.

WHAT SHOULD WE TAKE FROM THAT?

ARE MOST AMERICANS SORT OF ON

BOARD WITH HIS MESSAGE?

>> Dickinson: NOT NECESSARILY

THE MESSAGE.

ONE THING WE HAVE TO KEEP IN

MIND IS WHEN WE LOOK AT SURVEY

RESULTS AND THOSE WHO WATCH THE

STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS,

THAT'S A SELF-SELECTED AUDIENCE.

NOT EVERYBODY WATCHED IT.

WE KNOW FOR INSTANCE THE CBS

POLL THAT SHOWED 75% APPROVAL

WERE ONLY 25% DEMOCRATS INCLUDED

IN THAT POLL, MUCH LESS A NUMBER

THAN THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATS IN

THE NATION AS A WHOLE.

>> Eva: IS THAT TYPICAL FOR

STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESSES?

>> Dickinson: IT IS.

WHEN YOU SEE A DEMOCRATIC

PRESIDENT GIVING A STATE OF THE

UNION SPEECH, THE REPUBLICANS

TYPICALLY TUNE IN IN SMALLER

NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT

TO SEE THE SPEECH FROM SOMEBODY

WHO YOU DID NOT VOTE FOR.

THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL.

>> Eva: TELL US ABOUT BERNIE

SANDERS AND HOW HE ADDRESSED THE

NATION BECAUSE HE DID HIS OWN

ADDRESS FOLLOWING PRESIDENT

TRUMP.

WHAT DID HE HAVE TO SAY?

>> Dickinson: WELL, YOU WOULDN'T

BE SURPRISED IF YOU SAW HIS 2016

PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THAT HE

TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY.

HE TALKED ABOUT THE ONE PERCENT.

IT WAS INTERESTING IN THE

CONTEXT OF TRUMP TRYING TO

MAKE -- TAKE CREDIT FOR AN

OPTIMISTIC VIEWPOINT TOWARDS THE

ECONOMY, SANDERS TRIED TO TURN

THAT UPSIDE DOWN AND SAY THE

ECONOMIC GROWTH IS SKEWED

TOWARDS THE ONE PERCENT, IT'S

NOT RESONATING WITH THE LOWER

WAGE INCOME EARNERS, SO IT WAS

IN MANY RESPECTS A STANDARD

SANDERS STUMP SPEECH.

>> Eva: WHY DID SANDERS THINK IT

WAS IMPORTANT TO OFFER THIS

REBUTTAL?

>> Dickinson: THAT'S A GREAT

QUESTION BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW,

THE DEMOCRATS HAD THEIR OFFICIAL

STANDARD BEARER IN JOSEPH

KENNEDY, AND YET BERNIE THOUGHT

IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT HIS VOICE

BE HEARD.

ONE ANSWER IS HE'S NOT A

DEMOCRAT, HE'S AN INDEPENDENT,

SO WHY NOT.

HE'S SPEAKING FOR INDEPENDENTS,

ALTHOUGH AS YOU KNOW, HE RAN FOR

THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION AS A

DEMOCRAT, BUT ALSO, I THINK HE

WANTS TO KEEP HIS NAME OUT

THERE, BOTH AS A POTENTIAL

CANDIDATE IN 2020, BUT ALSO AS

THE LEADER OF A MOVEMENT, THE

PROGRESSIVE WING OF THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THIS IS THE

BEST WAY TO DO IT.

>> Eva: WHAT SUBSTANTIVE POINT

WE TAKE FROM THE PRESIDENT'S

ADDRESS?

>> Dickinson: WELL, HE CLEARLY

WANTS TO KEY ON THE ECONOMY AS

A -- BOTH A POINT OF SUCCESS IN

HIS FIRST TERM, BUT ALSO

POINTING AHEAD TO THE MID TERMS.

BUT IMMIGRATION, INTERESTINGLY

ENOUGH, HE EXTENDED A BIT OF AN

OLIVE BRANCH TO DEMOCRATS ON

IMMIGRATION.

HIS DISCUSSION AND WHIMMINGNESS

TO EXPAND PROTECTION --

WILLINGNESS TO EXPAND PROTECTION

FOR THE SO-CALLED DREAMERS, NOT

ONLY THOSE ENROLLED IN THE

PROGRAM, BUT THOSE WHO ARE

ELIGIBLE TO ENROLL, THAT GOES A

LONG WAY TOWARDS MEETING

DEMOCRATS' CONCERNS.

NOW, THE INITIAL RESPONSE OF THE

DEMOCRATS WASN'T OVERWHELMINGLY

POSITIVE, BUT THERE IS THE

POTENTIAL FOR BIPARTISAN ACTION

THERE.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE REST

OF HIS IMMIGRATION PROPOSALS, IT

WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED BIT

DEMOCRATS AND FOR THAT MATTER,

REPUBLICANS VIEW THE DACA

EXTENSION AS A FORM OF AMNESTY.

THERE'S A LONG WAY TO GO.

>> Eva: HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO

BOTH OFFER HOPE AND STOKE FEARS

AT THE SAME TIME?

>> Dickinson: IT'S POSSIBLE IF

YOU'RE SPEAKING IN PART TO TWO

DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.

ON THE ONE HAND, HE WANTS TO

STOKE THE PASSIONS OF HIS BASE.

HE KNOWS THAT IN THE SPECIAL

ELECTIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE

WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT,

DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN VERY

ENTHUSIASTIC.

THEY'VE TURNED OUT IN GREATER

NUMBERS BECAUSE OF THE

RESISTANCE MOVEMENT, SO HE WANTS

TO TRY TO RECIPROCATE THAT, GET

SOME ENTHUSIASM IN HIS BASE.

HE'S ALSO TRYING TO EXPAND HIS

SUPPORT.

HE WANTS TO REACH OUT TO THOSE

POTENTIALLY PERSUADABLE

MODERATES, SO TO A CERTAIN

EXTENT, HE WAS SPEAKING TO BOTH

AUDIENCES AND THAT'S WHY THERE

WAS A TENSION IN HIS MESSAGE.

>> Eva: WHERE DO DEMOCRATS GO

FROM HERE?

WERE THEY SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR

REBUTTAL LAST NIGHT?

>> Dickinson: WELL, JOE KENNEDY,

THE OFFICIAL STANDARD BEARER,

STUCK TO DEMOCRATIC THEMES ABOUT

THE WORKING CLASS, THE NEED TO

UNIFY AND PUSHING BACK AGAINST

TRUMP'S OVERLY ROSY ECONOMIC

PERSPECTIVE BY ECHOING THAT THE

ECONOMIC RECOVERY IS NOT

TRICKLING DOWN.

BUT THE INTERESTING PART WAS HE

RIDE TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE

DARK UNDERTONES OF TRUMP'S

SPEECH BY TALKING ABOUT WHAT

UNITES US AS AMERICANS AND I

THINK DEMOCRATS WILL RUN ON

THAT.

>> Eva: HAVE WE EVER BEEN THIS

POLARIZED IN THE COUNTRY?

THERE WERE SEVERAL LAWMAKERS WHO

DIDN'T EVEN ATTEND THE STATE OF

THE UNION ADDRESS.

OPPOSITION EVENTS WERE HELD AT

THE SAME TIME.

HAS IT EVER BEEN THIS DIVIDED?

>> Dickinson: IN MY MEMORY, I

HAVEN'T SEEN THAT TYPE OF

REACTION WITH SOME MEMBERS OF

CONGRESS NOT ATTENDING.

OTHERS STORMING OUT RIGHT AT THE

CONCLUSION OF THE SPEECH.

IF YOU WATCH THEIR FACES DURING

THE SPEECH, THEY SAT ON THEIR

HANDS.

EVEN AT OBVIOUS OPPORTUNITIES TO

APPLAUD, THEY DIDN'T TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND IT'S

SYMPTOMATIC OF A PROBLEM, A

REALITY HERE, WHICH IS CONGRESS

IS AS POLARIZED A PARTISAN BASIS

THAT WE HAVE SEASON IN OVER 150

YEARS, NOT SINCE THE POST CIVIL

WAR ERA.

>> Eva: CERTAINLY ON LOWER

PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, THE COST OF

PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, THAT'S A

UNIVERSAL ISSUE THAT YOU WOULD

THINK DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS

CAN AGREE ON, BUT THERE WAS NO

CLAPPING OF HANDS.

>> Dickinson: NO, VERY LITTLE

RECIPROCITY ACROSS THE AISLE

FROM EITHER PARTY.

A LOT OF THIS WAS DEMOCRATS

SITTING STONILY AND REPUBLICANS

ENTHUSIASTIC IN RAISING THEIR

BANNERS.

>> Eva: PROFESSOR, THANK YOU.

>> Darren: COMING UP NEXT, ARE

YOU READY FOR THE BIG GAME?

A PREVIEW OF SUPER BOWL LII WHEN

WE COME BACK.

>> Darren: IT'S FINALLY HERE,

SUPER SUNDAY.

SUPER BOWL LII KICKS OFF LATER

TODAY IN MINNEAPOLIS WITH THE

PHILADELPHIA EAGLES TAKING ON

THE DEFENDING CHAMPS, NEW

ENGLAND PATRIOTS.

MORE THAN 100 MILLION VIEWERS

ARE EXPECTED TO WATCH THE BIG

GAME.

THE PATS WILL BE GOING FOR THEIR

THIRD CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE LAST

FOUR YEARS, AND THE SIXTH IN THE

BRADY-BELICHICK ERA.

WCAX SPORES DIRECTOR MIKE McCUNE

IS HERE WITH A PREVIEW OF THE

BIG GAME.

>> Mike: DARREN, HOW YOU DOING?

>> Darren: GOOD, GOOD MORNING.

>> Mike: GOOD MORNING TO YOU.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN EXCITING

NIGHT.

I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE PRETTY

MUCH IN OUR AREA WILL HAVE THEIR

EYES GLUED.

>> Darren: LET'S START WITH

GRONK.

BIG NEWS THIS PAST WEEK, THE

PATRIOTS TIGHT END ROB

GRONKOWSKI WILL PLAY IN THE

SUPER BOWL.

HOW BIG OF A FACTOR IS HIS

RETURN TO THE PATS?

>> Mike: IT'S VERY BIG.

THE PATRIOTS HAVE SHOWN WE CAN

WIN WITHOUT HIM, THEY'VE DONE IT

BEFORE, BUT HE'S THE SINGLE MOST

UNCOVERABLE PLAYER IN THE NFL.

HE'S TOO FAST FOR LINEBACKERS TO

COVER HIM, TOO BIG FOR DEFENSIVE

BACKS TO COVER HIM.

HE IS THE PATRIOTS LEADING

RECEIVER IN RECEPTIONS, IN

RECEIVING YARDS, IN TOUCHDOWNS.

YOU KNOW, HE IS THAT ULTIMATE

WEAPON.

THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, HE WAS

KNOCKED OUT OF THE GAME, AGAIN,

THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LATE

IN THE FIRST HALF.

THE PATRIOTS WERE TRAILING AND

THEY STILL ENDED UP WINNING THE

GAME WITHOUT HIM, SO THEY HAVE

SHOWN THEY ARE CAPABLE OF

WINNING OUT HIM, BUT WHEN HE'S

IN THERE, HE DRAWS SO MUCH

ATTENTION AND THERE'S SO MANY

CHALLENGES FOR A DEFENSE TO TRY

TO FOCUS ON HIM, THAT IT CREATES

MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE OTHER

PATRIOT PLAYERS BECAUSE THE

DEFENSE HAS TO PUT SO MUCH

ATTENTION ON STOPPING HIM.

SO IF HE'S AVAILABLE TO PLAY AND

BY ALL ACCOUNTS, I MEAN, THE WAY

HE'S BEEN ACTING THIS WEEK AND

HE SAID HE'S READY TO ROLL AND

HE SHOULD BE A FACTOR AND A BIG

FACTOR IN THIS GAME.

>> Darren: RECOVERED FROM THAT

CONCUSSION.

WHAT ARE THE KEYS TO THE PATS

WINNING TONIGHT?

>> Mike: TOM BRADY FIRST AND

FOREMOST.

EVEN THOUGH HE'S IN CLASSIC KIND

OF PATRIOTS MODE, WHENEVER HE'S

BEEN WITH THE MEDIA THIS WEEK,

HE'S STILL WORN A GLOVE ON HIS

RIGHT HAND, BUT HIS RIGHT HAND

IS FINE.

OBVIOUSLY IT WAS WELL ENOUGH --

>> Darren: HANDGATE.

>> Mike: HANDGATE.

OBVIOUSLY HE WAS WELL ENOUGH TO

BEAT JACKSONVILLE IN THE

CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND HE HAD THE

SWITCHES TAKEN OUT THIS WEEK OR

LAST WEEK, ACTUALLY, SO HE'LL BE

FINE.

THERE'S NO TEAM IN THE NFL

THAT'S MORE PREPARED FOR EVERY

SCENARIO THAN THE NEW ENGLAND

PATRIOTS AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU

HAVE THE BEST QUARTERBACK OF ALL

TIME.

SO I MEAN SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW,

HE'S -- HE'S ARGUABLY THE BEST

QUARTERBACK.

BILL BELICHICK IS ARGUABLY THE

BEST HEAD COACH IN NFL HISTORY

AND PATRIOTS HAVE BOTH OF THEM.

SO BELICHICK IS GOING TO HAVE

THEM PREPARE FOR EVERY

CONTINGENCY AND ON TOP OF THAT,

YOU HAVE BRADY THERE WHEN THE

MOMENT IS NEEDED AND STEPPING UP

WHEN THE MOMENT IS CALLED ON.

>> Darren: SO THE EAGLES GOING

INTO THIS AS THE UNDERDOGS, WHAT

WOULD IT TAKE FOR THEM TO PULL

OFF THE UPSET?

>> Mike: THE ONE THING THAT YOU

ALWAYS -- THE RECIPE, IF THERE

IS A RECIPE TO BEATING THE

PATRIOTS IS PUTTING PRESSURE ON

BRADY WITH YOUR DEFENSIVE LINE

SO THAT -- AND JUST YOUR

DEFENSIVE LINE SO THAT YOU CAN

PUT AS MANY PEOPLE IN COVERAGE

AS POSSIBLE DEFENSIVELY.

THAT'S HOW THE NEW YORK GIANTS

PUT THE PRESSURE ON HIM IN THE

TWO SUPER BOWL WINS.

BALTIMORE HAS BEEN ABLE TO DO

THAT A COUPLE TIMES IN THE

PLAYOFF, DENVER HAS BEEN ABLE TO

DO THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE

PLAYOFFS AND BE ABLE TO BEAT THE

PATRIOTS.

JACKSONVILLE DID IT FOR ABOUT

THREE QUARTERS IN THE AFC

CHAMPIONSHIP GAME BEFORE THEY

RAN OUT OF GAS.

PHILADELPHIA HAS THE DEFENSIVE

LINE THAT THEY CAN DO THAT, SO

DEFENSIVELY, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE

TO DO SOMETHING.

THE QUESTION IS ON OFFENSE, CAN

THEY SCORE ENOUGH WITH NICK

FOLLS, THE BACKUP QUARTERBACK,

CARSON WENTZ WAS THE QUARTERBACK

THROUGHOUT THE SEASON AND GOT

HURT LATE IN THE SEASON, BUT

THEY HAVE A BACKUP AND THAT'S

THE QUESTION, COUNTY EAGLES

OFFENSE DO ENOUGH?

THAT I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE

SPOT.

WHAT'S YOUR PREDICTION?

>> Mike: IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE

CLOSE, BUT IN THE END, BRADY

GETS THE BALL AND I SAY THE

PATRIOTS WIN IT 27-24.

>> Darren: I'M GOING TO DO 24-21

PATS.

WE'LL SEE YOU SOON.

THANKS FOR WATCHING.

ENJOY THE GAME AND WE'LL SEE YOU

SOON, EVERYBODY.

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