YCQM Oct. 7, 2018

BURLINGTON, Vt >>> AND GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE,
I'M DARREN PERRON.
RIGHT NOW ON YOU CAN QUOTE ME,
"THE FIX."
CHANNEL 3 NEWS INVESTIGATES THE
OPIOID PIPELINE INTO VERMONT,
NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND NEW YORK.
A PREVIEW OF OUR UPCOMING
HALF-HOUR SPECIAL.
ALSO, A SURVIVOR SHARES HIS
STORY OF ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF A
VERMONT PRIEST.
DID THE CHURCH FAIL ITS FLOCK?
PLUS, WE TALK TO THE BISHOP
ABOUT IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS
MORNING.
A TASK FORCE LOOKING INTO
ALLEGATIONS OF DECADES-OLD ABUSE
AND POSSIBLE MURDER AT A
BURLINGTON ORPHANAGE CONTINUES
ITS INVESTIGATION.
DECADES OLD, THAT AND ALLEGATIONS
OF SEX ABUSE AGAINST PRIEST NS
OTHER STATES ARE TRIGGERING
MEMORIES FOR VERMONT VICTIMS WHO
SUFFER ONGOING EMOTIONAL
TORMENT.
AND ONE OF THOSE VICTIMS SPOKE
EXCLUSIVELY WITH CHANNEL 3 NEWS
IN HIS FIRST TELEVISION
INTERVIEW.
>> YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS WERE
PROUD OF ME FOR BEING AN ALTAR
BOY.
>> MIKE GAY WAS SO EXCITED.
>> WE HAD TO GO --
>> HIS FAMILY WAITING IN THE
CONGREGATION AT CHRIST THE KING
CHURCH IN BURLINGTON TO WITNESS
HIS FIRST DAY AS AN ALTAR BOY.
THE THEN 11-YEAR-OLD RUSHED DOWN
A SET OF STAIRS TO FIND FATHER
EDWARD PAWKET JUST BEFORE
SUNDAY'S SERVICE.
THAT'S WHEN IT ALL BEGAN.
>> AND THERE HE WAS FULLY
EXPOSED WITH HIS PANTS AROUND
HIS ANKLES.
>> PAWKET PRETENDED IT WAS A
MISTAKE, MIKE ARRIVED TOO SOON.
THE LITTLE BOY WAS EMBARRASSED
AT WHAT HE SAW AND NEVER SAID A
WORD.
>> EVERY DAY THAT I HAD TO SERVE
I WAS SICK.
>> MIKE SAYS THAT WAS A TEST TO
SEE IF HE WOULD TELL.
PAWKET GROOMING MIKE TO BE HIS
NEXT VICTIM.
>> HE WAS THE CLOSEST THING TO
GOD IN OUR EYES, YOU KNOW, GOING
TO CHURCH, IT WAS JUST, YOU
KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFE
PLACE.
IT WAS A LIVING HELL FOR ME.
>> MIKE SAID PAWKET WOULD CORNER
AND MOLEST HIM AFTER MASS EVERY
TIME HE SERVED.
>> I REMEMBER TIMES WHEN I WOULD
JUST RUN HOME.
FOR A WHILE EVERYBODY WAS A
MOLESTER TO ME.
EVERYBODY THAT WORE THAT BLACK
SHIRT AND WHITE COLLAR.
>> HE BEGAN ABUSING ALCOHOL, AND
REMEMBERS THE FIRST TIME HE
THOUGHT ABOUT SUICIDE.
[ TRAIN WHISTLE ]
>> PLAYING WITH A FRIEND NEAR
THE RAILROAD TRACKS AS THE TRAIN
APPROACHED.
>> I REMEMBER PLACING MY HEAD ON
THE TRACK, TURNING AWAY FROM THE
TRAIN, AND THINKING TO MYSELF
THAT IT COULD ALL BE OVER.
NO MORE ABUSE.
JUST STAY THERE, JUST LET IT
HAPPEN.
[ TRAIN WHISTLE ]
AND IT IS JUST ONE OF MANY, MANY
TIMES I THOUGHT THAT I DIDN'T
WANT TO LIVE.
>> HE HID THE PAIN AND WHAT
HAPPENED TO HIM FOR DECADES.
>> WE LIVED IN SILENCE.
THERE'S SO MUCH GUILT AND SHAME,
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DID SOMETHING
WRONG.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIDS.
I HAD TO PUT EVERYTHING ASIDE
AND ACT NORMAL.
>> UNTIL THIS HAPPENED.
A FIERY CRASH NEARLY TOOK HIS
LIFE IN 2002, AND A FLOOD OF
AGONIZING MEMORIES FLASHED BACK.
>> I COULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH
DIFFERENT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO I WOULD HAVE
BEEN IF NONE OF THIS HAD
HAPPENED.
>> HE TOLD HIS FAMILY ABOUT THE
ABUSE, GOT INTO THERAPY, AND
EVENTUALLY SUED THE CATHOLIC
DIOCESE OF BURLINGTON IN 2004.
>> THE FIRST HIGH-PROFILE
LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CHURCH THAT
PLAYED OUT PUBLICLY.
THE CHURCH ACCUSED OF PROTECTING
PRIESTS AND SHUFFLING KNOWN
ABUSERS TO DIFFERENT PARISHES.
>> THEY UNEARTHED A BIG, BIG,
BIG MESS WITH THE DIOCESE.
>> THE DIOCESE HAS NOW SETTLED
ABOUT 50 CASES WITH ABUSE
VICTIMS IN VERMONT, PAYING OUT
MORE THAN $31 MILLION.
MIKE GOT ABOUT $900,000, BUT
SAYS IT WILL NEVER REALLY BE
SETTLED.
>> ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S
HAPPENING NOW IS JUST DRIVING A
KNIFE IN MY HEART, AND I FEEL
FOR SO MANY PEOPLE I CAN'T EVEN
SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
>> RECENT ALLEGATIONS OF SEX
ABUSE AGAINST 300 PRIESTS IN
PENNSYLVANIA AND CLAIMS OF
HORRIFIC ABUSE AT ST. JOSEPH'S
ORPHANAGE IN BURLINGTON ARE
REOPENING MIKE'S WOUNDS.
HE'S BACK IN THERAPY.
>> IT'S JUST MAKING PEOPLE LIKE
MYSELF RELIVE EVERY TIME THEY
WERE ABUSED, AND EVERY OLD
THOUGHT.
>> HERE IN THE DIOCESE OF
BURLINGTON WE'VE LEARNED FROM
OUR MISTAKES.
>> CHRISTOPHER COYNE BECAME
BURLINGTON'S 10TH BISHOP IN
2014, SO HE WASN'T AROUND WHEN
ALL OF THIS HAPPENED.
BUT SAYS THE CHURCH MUST
CONTINUE TO OWN UP TO THESE
ATROCITIES.
>> WHAT IS THE CHURCH DOING TO
MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS
AGAIN?
>> WELL, I WISH WE COULD SAY
THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN
AGAIN, BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE
EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN HUMANLY
POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER
HAPPENS AGAIN.
>> HE SAYS PROTOCOLS LIKE
BACKGROUND CHECKS, ONGOING
TRAINING TO SPOT ABUSE, AND
ABUSERS, AUDITS, AND MANDATORY
REPORTING TO POLICE ARE HELPING
TO PROTECT VERMONT'S KIDS NOW.
BUT RECOGNIZES THE HEALING IS
FAR FROM OVER FOR ABUSE VICTIMS
FROM THE PAST.
>> DID THE CHURCH FAIL THESE
CHILDREN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF
WAYS, ONE IS WE FAILED THEM IN
THAT THEY WERE ABUSED.
THAT PRIESTS AND OTHERS WERE PUT
IN PLACE OF THE AUTHORITY AND
POWER AND USED THAT TO TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THESE CHILDREN AND
TEENAGERS.
THEN WE FAILED THEM IN NOT BEING
AS CAREFUL, OR NOT BEING AS
QUICK TO REMOVE PRIESTS.
WE FAILED THEM SOMETIMES IN NOT
BELIEVING THEM WHEN THE STORIES
WERE TOLD.
WE FAILED THEM IN COVERING UP,
EVEN WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED.
WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF
WAYS.
>> MY FATHER AND MOTHER ALWAYS
SAID DO THE RIGHT THING, AND I
HOPE THAT I'M MAKING THEM BOTH
PROUD.
>> MIKE HOPES TELLING HIS STORY
WILL GET OTHER ABUSE SURVIVORS
SUFFERING IN SILENCE TO SEEK
HELP.
>> YOU ARE PART OF A VERY, WELL,
A TRAGIC GROUP.
>> THERAPY, OR THROUGH FRIENDS
AND FAMILY.
>> GOT A BRAND NEW MOTOR HOME,
READY TO ROCK FOR THE WEEKEND.
>> FOR HIM WHEN IT GETS TO BE
TOO MUCH, TAKING TURNS AT
THUNDER ROAD HELPS CLEAR HIS
MIND IN HIS NUMBER 3 CAR.
HE'S KNOWN AS BIFFER AT THE
DRAK, AND HOPES SOMEDAY -- TRACK
AND HOPES SOMEDAY HIS PAIN WILL
BE LEFT IN THE DUST.
>> I'M PROTECTING THAT LITTLE
BOY INSIDE WHEN NOBODY ELSE
WOULD.
>> BISHOP COYNE TELLS ME THERE
HAVE BEEN TWO ALLEGATIONS OF SEX
ABUSE MADE AGAINST VERMONT
PRIESTS SINCE 2002.
BOTH WERE INVESTIGATED, ONE CASE
WAS DISMISSED.
THE OTHER LED TO CHARGES AGAINST
FATHER STEVEN NICHOLS.
HE PLEADED GUILTY TO A SEX CRIME
AND IS NO LONGER A PRIEST.
MORE OF MY CONVERSATION WITH
BISHOP COYNE IS STRAIGHT AHEAD
THIS MORNING ON CHANNEL 3'S "YOU
CAN QUOTE ME."
DON'T GO AWAY.
>>> YOUR LATEST NEWS, WEATHER
AND SPORTS IS COMING UP AT THE
TOP OF THE HOUR.
SCOTT FLEISHMAN IS IN THE
NEWSROOM WITH A PREVIEW OF
WHAT'S AHEAD ON THE CHANNEL 3
NEWS SUNDAY MORNING.
HI SCOTT.
>> GOOD MORNING, DARREN.
BURLINGTON PUBLIC WORKS IS
RECEIVING FEEDBACK FROM
RESIDENTS CONCERNING ITS QUICK
BUILD PROJECTS, PLUS, THE
COLCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS
PITCHING IN TO HELP MEALS ON
WHEELS.
WE'LL TELL YOU WHY, AND A MEALS
ON WHEELS RECIPIENT SHARES HIS
THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE PROGRAM
MEANS TO HIM.
AND WE GO UNDERWATER TO SHOW YOU
A UNIQUE MUSEUM THAT'S BEING
THREATENED BY AN INVASIVE
SPECIES.
FIND OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO
THESE SUNKEN CANAL BOATS.
PLUS, WE SHOULD BE SEEING THE
SUN FOR AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT
TODAY.
DAVE WILL TELL US WHEN WE WILL
DRY OUT AND HAVE A LOOK AT THE
WORKWEEK FORECAST.
WE'LL SEE YOU AT 8:00 A.M.
>> SCOTT, THANK YOU.
>>> WE SPOKE WITH AN ABUSE
VICTIM AT THE TOP OF THE
BROADCAST, VICTIMIZED BY A
VERMONT PRIEST.
NOW MY FULL INTERVIEW WITH
BURLINGTON CATHOLIC BISHOP TO
FIND OUT WHAT THE CHURCH IS
DOING NOW, AND TO GET AN UPDATE
ON AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
>> THE RECENT ALLEGATIONS IN
PENNSYLVANIA, COUPLED WITH OTHER
STATES NOW INVESTIGATING
POTENTIAL ABUSE CLAIMS TO ADD TO
THAT THE ORPHANAGE
INVESTIGATION, AND SURVIVORS ARE
TELLING ME THAT THIS IS JUST
DRAGGING UP SOME VERY PAINFUL
MEMORIES.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?
>> WELL, FIRST, I MEAN, I CAN'T
CONTINUE TO APOLOGIZE AS MUCH AS
I NEED TO FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO
THEM AT THE HANDS OF OTHER
FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH,
YOU KNOW, THOSE SURVIVORS OF
ABUSE ARE OUR BROTHERS AND
SISTERS.
AT TIMES IT'S COME ACROSS AS AN
US VERSUS THEM ADVERSARIAL
RELATIONSHIP, BUT THE MOST
IMPORTANT THING, THESE ARE
MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY WHO WERE
HURT BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
FAMILY.
THAT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE FOR
THEM, BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT
RELATIONSHIP, THERE WAS THIS
EXPECTATION OF BEING TAKEN CARE
OF AND NOT BEING ABUSED.
AND THAT'S PLAYED OUT IN ALL
KINDS OF WRECKAGE IN THEIR
LIVES, MOST ESPECIALLY IN LOSS
OF FAITH, THAT MANY FIND IT VERY
DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, EVEN
WHEN WE -- YOU KNOW, I SAY YOU
CAN TALK TO A PRIEST, YOU CAN
TALK TO ME, THEY DON'T WANT TO
TALK TO SOMEBODY IN A COLLAR,
BECAUSE IT WAS THE COLLAR THAT
HURT THEM.
SO I HEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY
CAREFUL HERE IN THE DIOCESE THAT
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE CASES
THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO
SUPPORT SURVIVORS AND TO STAND
WITH THEM AND TO DO EVERYTHING
WE CAN TO MAKE AMENDS.
BUT TO NOT DO OR SAY ANYTHING
THAT COULD HURT THEM EVEN MORE.
I CAN WELL UNDERSTAND WHY THESE
NEW STORIES ARE VERY PAINFUL FOR
THEM.
>> DID THE CHURCH FAIL THESE
CHILDREN?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF
WAYS, ONE IS WE FAILED THEM IN
THAT THEY WERE ABUSED, THAT
PRIESTS AND OTHERS WERE PUT IN
PLACE OF AUTHORITY AND POWER AND
THEY USED THAT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF THESE CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS.
THEN WE FAILED THEM IN NOT BEING
AS CAREFUL, OR NOT BEING AS
QUICK TO REMOVE PRIESTS.
WE FAILED THEM SOMETIMES IN NOT
BELIEVING THEM WHEN THE STORIES
WERE TOLD.
WE FAILED THEM IN COVERING UP
EVEN WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED.
WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF
WAYS, AND I, AGAIN, THE ONLY
THING I CAN SAY IS HERE IN THE
DIOCESE OF BURLINGTON, WE'VE
LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES.
>> WHAT IS THE CHURCH DOING TO
MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS
AGAIN?
>> WELL, I WISH I COULD SAY THAT
IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN
AGAIN, BUT, YOU KNOW, SIN IS
ALWAYS PART OF OUR HUMAN
CONDITION, AND SO WE CAN SET UP
ALL KINDS OF -- ANY ORGANIZATION
CAN SET UP ALL KINDS OF, YOU
KNOW, PROCEDURES AND THINGS TO
MAKE SURE THESE THINGS NEVER
HAPPEN, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I
THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT
WE CAN HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO MAKE
SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN,
THAT ALL OF OUR CLERGY, ALL OF
OUR SEMINARIANS, ALL OUR ADULT
VOLUNTEERS, ALL OF OUR TEACHERS,
ANYBODY WHO WORKS WITH CHILDREN
HAS TO UNDERGO A CRIMINAL
BACKGROUND CHECK.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ADULT
TRAINING IN TERMS OF LOOKING FOR
AND UNDERSTANDING THE SIGNS OF
ABUSE, BEING AWARE OF WHAT OTHER
ADULTS ARE DOING AROUND THEM IN
TERMS OF SIGNS OF ABUSERS, LIKE
GROOMING BEHAVIORS, AND ALSO
PROTOCOLS, SUCH AS WHENEVER ANY
KIND OF AN ALLEGATION AGAINST AN
ADULT OR IN ANY WAY OF ABUSING A
CHILD IS MADE, IT IS IMMEDIATELY
BROUGHT TO THE AUTHORITIES AND
NOT TO THE DIOCESE.
WE DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT
SOMETHING UNTIL WE SAY FIRST YOU
HAVE TO GO TO THE AUTHORITIES
AND GET THEM INVOLVED TO MAKE
SURE THAT THINGS ARE BEING DONE
THE WAY THEY SHOULD.
>> AND THAT'S NEW.
>> THAT'S BEEN NEW SINCE 2002,
2003.
PRIOR TO THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY
IN THE CHURCH WAS ADMITTED TO A
REPORTER, SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO
DO THAT.
IN TERMS OF BEING A MANDATORY
REPORTER, IT IS A PROCESS AND A
STEP.
YOU CAN BE A MANDATORY REPORTER,
BUT TRY TO REPORT IT TO ME
FIRST.
WE SAY, NO, MANLD -- MANDATORY
REPORTER, FIRST GO TO TATE
STATE, LOCAL AND GOVERNMENT
AUTHORITIES.
>> IN THE WAKE OF THESE CASES,
WHICH WERE EITHER SETTLED OR
LITIGATED, WAS EVERY PRIEST IN
VERMONT LOOKED AT AFTER THOSE
CASES?
>> EVERY FILE THAT WE HAVE OF A
PRIEST WHO IS ASSIGNED TO
BURLINGTON, VERMONT AS THE
DIOCESE, OR A PRIEST IN THE
DIOCESE OF VERMONT HAS GONE
THROUGH.
WE WENT THROUGH THEM ALL.
WE TURNED OVER ANY FILE THAT HAD
AN ALLEGATION INVOLVING ABUSE OF
A MINOR BACK IN 2002, 2003, TO
STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
THAT WAS DONE RIGHT ACROSS THE
BOARD IN NEW ENGLAND.
THERE WAS ALSO ALL KINDS OF
LITIGATION THAT INVOLVED
DISCOVERY OF FILES, THAT WAS ALL
TURNED OVER.
SO I DON'T SEE US FACING THE
SITUATION HERE IN VERMONT LIKE
THEY DID IN THE DIOCESE IN
PENNSYLVANIA, BECAUSE THAT WAS
ALL DONE -- WHAT HAPPENED IN
PENNSYLVANIA RECENTLY WAS DONE
BACK IN 2003.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE
ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID I WANT TO
LOOK AT THE FILES ONE MORE TIME
WE, AGAIN, ARE MORE THAN WILLING
TO COOPERATE.
>> WERE ALL THE CASES SETTLED
HERE IN VERMONT, ANY PENDING
CASES, ANY NEW CASES?
>> WE DO GET SOME NEW CASES
INVOLVING ALLEGATIONS THAT EXIST
FROM THE 70S AND 80s, SO, YOU
KNOW, LAST YEAR WE SETTLED A
CASE INVOLVING OBVIOUSLY
SOMEBODY WHO WAS ABUSED, IT WAS
WAY PAST THE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS, BUT WHEN WE HEARD
THIS PERSON'S STORY WE BELIEVED
THEM, AND WE TRIED TO DO WHAT WE
COULD TO MAKE RESTITUTION FOR
THEM AND TO HELP THEM.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF
THOSE CASES ANY MORE, AND I JUST
WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR
THE RIGHT REASONS, AND I NEVER
WANT IT RELY ON STRICT THINGS
LIKE THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO AVOID
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT SINCE 2002,
THAT'S 16 YEARS, WE'VE ONLY HAD
TWO MORE ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING
CLERGY, AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING
THAT HAPPENED POST-2002, AND ONE
OF THEM WAS FOUND TO NOT BE OF
SUBSTANCE, BUT THE OTHER WAS
TURNED OVER TO THE AUTHORITIES
AND HANDLED ACCORDINGLY.
>> YOU ALLUDED TO THIS BISHOP
THAT THE SCANDAL, YOU KNOW,
OBVIOUSLY ROCKED VERMONT VICTIMS
AND THEIR FAMILIES TELL ME IT
CHALLENGED THEIR FAITH, TOO.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE FOLKS
WHO WANT TO STILL IN BELIEVE --
STILL BELIEVE IN THE CHURCH?
>> THERE'S SO MUCH HEALING THAT
NEEDS TO GO ON.
THERE'S THE KIND OF PERSONAL
HEALING THAT COMES FROM BEING AN
ABUSE VICTIM, THERE'S THE
WRECKAGE THAT CAN PLAY OUT IN
FAMILIES AND RELATIONSHIPS,
THERE'S THE WRECKAGE THAT CAN
PLAY OUT IN THE KIND OF HISTORY
AND THE TRAUMA OF A PERP'S LIFE
BECAUSE OF -- PERSON'S LIFE
BECAUSE OF ABUSE.
THERE IS THE SPIRITUAL WRECKAGE
THAT COMES FROM HAVING LOST
THEIR FAITH, OR LOST A PLACE OF
FAITH.
AND SO WHENEVER I SPEAK WITH
SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES, I
ALWAYS SAY, I FOLLOW YOUR LEAD.
WHERE DO YOU -- WHAT DO YOU NEED
ME TO DO, WHAT DO YOU NEED ME TO
HEAR.
TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED FROM ME.
AND IF THEY SAY I JUST WOULD
LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE CHURCH,
I TRY AND HELP THEM.
BUT I DON'T MAKE THAT -- AGAIN,
WHEN I SIT DOWN WITH A SURVIVOR,
I HAVE ALWAYS JUST, YOU KNOW,
UNCONDITIONAL LISTENING AND
ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT THEY ARE
SAYING.
AND LET THEM MAKE A DECISION AS
TO WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FROM ME.
I HOPE THEY CAN FIND A SPIRITUAL
HOME IN THE CHURCH AGAIN, BUT I
CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD
FIND THAT DIFFICULT.
>> YOU WERE IN BOSTON WHEN, YOU
KNOW, THE VERY LARGE-SCALE
SCANDAL HAPPENED.
REALLY OPENED THE FLOODGATE TO
OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER
STATES HERE IN VERMONT AS WELL.
WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THAT?
>> I THINK WHAT WE'VE LEARNED,
OR WHAT I'VE LEARNED MORE THAN
ANYTHING ELSE IS THAT AS A
PRIEST, AND NOW AS A BISHOP, THE
RESPONSE MUST BE ONE THAT'S
PASTORAL, THAT CARES FOR THE
PERSON WHO WAS ABUSED, AND ALSO
FOR THE PERSON WHO'S BEING

ACCUSED, BUT FOCUSES MORE ON
PEOPLE AND LESS ON LITIGATION,
LESS ON, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO
DAMAGE CONTROL.
VERY EARLY ON IN BOSTON MUCH OF
THE PROCESS, OR MUCH OF THE
REACTION WAS ONE DRIVEN BY
LAWYERS, RIGHTLY SO, LAWYERS DO
WHAT THEY DO, TRYING TO PROTECT
THE CHURCH FROM LITIGATION, YOU
KNOW, BUT THEY WOULD SAY, OH,
NO, YOU CAN'T SAY THIS, OR, NO,
YOU CAN'T DO THAT, WHICH WASN'T
ALWAYS THE PASTORAL RESPONSE.
SO MY WHOLE APPROACH IN
BURLINGTON IS TO BE A PASTOR,
AND NOT A LAWYER, NOT A
POLITICIAN, NOT A PUBLIC
RELATIONS SPECIALIST, BUT TO
JUST DO THE RIGHT THINGS FOR THE
RIGHT REASONS ACCORDING TO MY
FAITH, AND IF IT PLAYS OUT, YOU
KNOW, IN A LITTLE BIT MORE
CHALLENGE AS A CHURCH DOWN THE
ROAD, SO BE IT.
I HAVE TO TRUST IN GOD AND TRUST
THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT
THINGS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.
>> IS THE CHURCH PARTICIPATING
IN THE INVESTIGATION INTO ST.
JOSEPH'S ORPHANAGE?
>> NOT AT THIS TIME.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE
HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN
WITH THE TASK FORCE, AND ASK
THEM WHAT THEY NEED FROM US.
BUT I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO
GIVE WHATEVER WE NEED TO GET TO
THE TRUTH OF THE ALLEGATIONS
THAT ARE MADE IN THE STORY.
MUCH OF WHAT IS IN THERE IS
ALREADY A MATTER OF PUBLIC
RECORD, IF NOT ALMOST ALL OF IT.
BUT THERE IS SOME PRETTY
SENSATIONAL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST
THE SISTERS, AND I THINK FOR
THEIR SAKE AND THE SAKE OF THE
PUBLIC I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE
A DETERMINATION MADE AS TO
WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT REALLY
HAPPENED.
WITHOUT DISMISSING THE ABUSE
THAT WE KNOW HAPPENED.
>> YOU SAID IN A PHONE INTERVIEW
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ATROCITIES
DID HAPPEN AT THE ORPHANAGE, BUT
THAT SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS
BEING MADE MIGHT BE CALLED URBAN
MYTH.
DO YOU STILL STAND BY THAT?
>> THAT WAS A POOR CHOICE OF
PHRASES, BECAUSE IT COULD BE
PEOPLE, AGAIN, TO BELIEVE THAT I
AM DISMISSING WHAT THEY SAID OUT
OF HAND.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M SPEAKING
MORE TO THE KIND OF ALLEGATIONS,
YOU KNOW, THAT A NUN OR A GROUP
OF NUNS MURDERED CHILDREN.
THOSE STORIES AT TIMES HAVE
APPEARED IN KIND OF URBAN MYTHS,
BUT IN USING THAT PHRASE THAT
WAS INAPPROPRIATE.
COULD A CHILD HAVE DROWNED IN
LAKE CHAMPLAIN IN THE 100-PLUS
YEARS THEY WERE THERE?
WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW.
BUT IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A
CHILD DROWN, ANOTHER THING TO
SAY THE NUNS ACTUALLY DID IT,
YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.
SO I THINK OFTENTIMES WITH
STORIES LIKE THAT, THERE IS A
KERNEL OF TRUTH THERE.
AND THE KERNEL OF TRUTH WAS THAT
THERE WAS HARSH DISCIPLINE,
THERE WAS ABUSE, THERE WERE
PRIESTS ASSIGNED THERE AS
CHAPLAINS WHO UNFORTUNATELY DID
ABUSE CHILDREN.
BUT I HAVE LEARNED TO BE MUCH
MORE CAREFUL WITH MY LANGUAGE
THIS TIME.
>> CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON
THE INVESTIGATION OR IS THIS
REALLY IN THE TASK FORCE'S HANDS
AT THIS POINT?
>> AT THIS POINT IT IS IN THEIR
HANDS.
WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO MEET
WITH THEM LATER THIS WEEK AND
JUST GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY
ARE ASKING FROM US, AND WHAT WE
CAN DO TO HELP.
I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TELL
THEIR STORIES, AND I THINK
THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT WE WANT
TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE STORIES,
TOO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE
SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR HEALING, BUT
ALSO, AGAIN, TO GET TO THE TRUTH
OF THE MATTER.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE SISTERS
OF PROVIDENCE ARE PRETTY
HORRIFIC, AND I THINK THEY NEED
TO HAVE THEIR TIME TO HAVE
THEMSELVES -- TO HAVE THOSE
ALLEGATIONS TESTED BY THE
REALITY OF, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE,
AND ALSO TESTIMONY.
>> WHAT DOES THE CHURCH WANT.
WHAT DO YOU WANT VERMONT TO
KNOW.
IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THIS.
>> FIRSTFUL ALL, I WANT -- FIRST
OF ALL, THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING, I WANT THE PEOPLE OF --
WHO ARE CATHOLIC IN VERMONT, WHO
ARE STILL STAYING WITH THE
CHURCH TO KNOW HOW GRATEFUL I AM
THAT THEY ARE STAYING WITH US
AND STAYING WITH OUR FAITH IN
SPITE OF ALL THAT'S HAPPENED.
I WANT THEM ALSO TO KNOW THAT AS
THEIR BISHOP I WILL NEVER LIE,
AND I WILL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH
IN TERMS OF WHAT I KNOW TO THE
EXTENT OF WHAT I KNOW, AND I
WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING
INTENTIONALLY TO HURT SURVIVORS
AND THEIR FAMILIES.
AND THAT I WANT TO KNOW THE
TRUTH OF THESE MATTERS AS MUCH
AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT I AM AS
HORRIFIED AND ASHAMED OF WHAT
OUR FAMILY DID TO OUR FAMILY
MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH, AND THAT
THE ONLY WAY I CAN -- THE ONLY
THING I CAN DO IS TO LEARN FROM
THESE MISTAKES AND NOT REPEAT
THEM, AND TO DO AS MUCH HEALING
AS I CAN.
>> BISHOP COYNE, THANK YOU.
UP NEXT, CELINE McARTHUR JOINS
ME TO STALK ABOUT "THE FIX."
CHANNEL 3'S INVESTIGATION INTO
THE OPIOID PIPELINE.
DON'T GO AWAY.
>>> IT IS KILLING PEOPLE AT AN
ALARMING RATE, AND THAT RATE IS
INCREASING EVERY DAY.
>> THAT'S VERMONT'S STATE POLICE
COLONEL, MATT BIRMINGHAM,
TALKING ABOUT THE OPIOID CRISIS
IN THE GREEN MOUNTAIN STATE.
IT IS THE FOCUS OF A SPECIAL
REPORT CALLED "THE FIX," THE
OPIOID PIPELINE BY MY COLLEAGUE
CELINE McARTHUR, WHO JOINS ME
NOW.
GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
TOPIC FOR THREE YEARS.
TELL US ABOUT IT.
>> THREE YEARS.
THREE YEARS AGO I COVERED A CASE
WHERE AN 18-YEAR-OLD, SHE HAD
INJECTED HEROIN AND OVERDOSED,
SHE CRASHED HER CAR AND SHE WAS
EJECTED.
HER FAMILY CAME TO ME AFTERWARDS
AND SAID, WOULD YOU COVER THE
PROCESS, WOULD YOU COVER OUR
GRIEF, I MEAN, LITERALLY GOING
THROUGH THE FUNERAL PROCESS AND
EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THEY WANTED
THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW SERIOUS
OF A PROBLEM IT IS, AND WHAT
IT'S LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
LEFT BEHIND.
AND AT THAT MOMENT I WAS LIKE,
WOW, I HAD NEVER REALLY COVERED
IT THIS WAY, AND IT STARTED TO
SNOWBALL.
THESE CASES ARE ALMOST
UNBELIEVABLE.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS,
YOU ALMOST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT.
>> SOME OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
SEE THIS COMING TUESDAY IS PART
OF AN ORIGINAL SPECIAL THAT YOU
PUT TOGETHER.
>> YES.
I PUT A ONE-HOUR SPECIAL
TOGETHER, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN NEW
HAMPSHIRE THAT SAID CAN YOU HELP
US FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THE
DRUGS ARE COMING FROM AND HOW SO
MANY ARE GETTING INTO NEW
HAMPSHIRE.
SO I WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO
THE CARIBBEAN AND WE FOLLOWED
THE PIPELINE THAT GOES ALL THE
WAY UP THE EAST COAST, NOT ONLY
INTO NEW HAMPSHIRE, BUT ALSO TO
VERMONT.
AT THE TIME WE ENDED IT AT
MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE, THE
EPICENTER OF THE DRUG CRISIS
THERE.
I AM BRINGING THAT IN SO PEOPLE
CAN BE EDUCATED.
THE KEY IS, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE
TO STOP THE FLOW OF THE DRUGS,
YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT'S COMING
UP, AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE
CHALLENGES THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN
LAW ENFORCEMENT FACES IN
ACTUALLY CUTTING IT OFF.
SO THAT PART YOU'LL SEE.
BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE NEW.
SO I'M IN RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF
NEW HAMPSHIRE AND HERE IN
VERMONT,IOUS TO JUST TO SEE --
JUST TO SEE WHAT THE STATE OF IT
HERE.
FRIGHTENING, EYE-OPENING, AND I
MEAN, RECORD DEATHS.
>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK.
\M\M
[ YELLING]
>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK IT'S
JUST IN THE LARGER CITIES.
>> LOOKS LIKE HE GOT ONE
APPROACHING HER AT THE FAR END
OF THE STREET THERE.
>> WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM AWAY
FROM OUR KIDS.
>> WE ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO
BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.
>> IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE.
IN ONE AREA, THEN PEOPLE LEAVE
AND MOVE TO ANOTHER.
>> THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
[ YELLING ]
>> IT'S COMING AT US LIKE WE'VE
NEVER SEEN.
>> IT'S SO POWERFUL.
THIS AIRS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9TH,
AT 7:00.
>> AND IT IS JUST THE BEGINNING.
IT IS A NEW SERIES WE ARE ALL
FOCUSING ON THE CRISIS, SO NOT
ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE ARE
ADDRESSING THE EDUCATION, THE
RECOVERY, THERE'S SO MANY
ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS
IN ORDER TO REALLY WRAP OUR
MINDS AROUND THE PROBLEM.
SO THAT IS A CHANNEL 3 NEWS
COMMITMENT TO YOU.
AND WE DEFINITELY WANT THE
PUBLIC INVOLVED, BECAUSE THIS IS
A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION,
THAT WE ALL NEED TO HAVE IN
ORDER TO GET A HANDLE ON THE
CRISIS.
>> CELINE, LOOKING FORWARD TO
IT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US
THIS MORNING.
AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.
AGAIN, OUR SPECIAL REPORT AIRS
THIS TUESDAY NIGHT AT 7:00 P.M.
TAKE CARE, EVERYBODY.
SEE YOU SOON.
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