YCQM Oct. 7, 2018

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>>> AND GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE,

I'M DARREN PERRON.

RIGHT NOW ON YOU CAN QUOTE ME,

"THE FIX."

CHANNEL 3 NEWS INVESTIGATES THE

OPIOID PIPELINE INTO VERMONT,

NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND NEW YORK.

A PREVIEW OF OUR UPCOMING

HALF-HOUR SPECIAL.

ALSO, A SURVIVOR SHARES HIS

STORY OF ABUSE AT THE HANDS OF A

VERMONT PRIEST.

DID THE CHURCH FAIL ITS FLOCK?

PLUS, WE TALK TO THE BISHOP

ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS

MORNING.

A TASK FORCE LOOKING INTO

ALLEGATIONS OF DECADES-OLD ABUSE

AND POSSIBLE MURDER AT A

BURLINGTON ORPHANAGE CONTINUES

ITS INVESTIGATION.

DECADES OLD, THAT AND ALLEGATIONS

OF SEX ABUSE AGAINST PRIEST NS

OTHER STATES ARE TRIGGERING

MEMORIES FOR VERMONT VICTIMS WHO

SUFFER ONGOING EMOTIONAL

TORMENT.

AND ONE OF THOSE VICTIMS SPOKE

EXCLUSIVELY WITH CHANNEL 3 NEWS

IN HIS FIRST TELEVISION

INTERVIEW.

>> YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS WERE

PROUD OF ME FOR BEING AN ALTAR

BOY.

>> MIKE GAY WAS SO EXCITED.

>> WE HAD TO GO --

>> HIS FAMILY WAITING IN THE

CONGREGATION AT CHRIST THE KING

CHURCH IN BURLINGTON TO WITNESS

HIS FIRST DAY AS AN ALTAR BOY.

THE THEN 11-YEAR-OLD RUSHED DOWN

A SET OF STAIRS TO FIND FATHER

EDWARD PAWKET JUST BEFORE

SUNDAY'S SERVICE.

THAT'S WHEN IT ALL BEGAN.

>> AND THERE HE WAS FULLY

EXPOSED WITH HIS PANTS AROUND

HIS ANKLES.

>> PAWKET PRETENDED IT WAS A

MISTAKE, MIKE ARRIVED TOO SOON.

THE LITTLE BOY WAS EMBARRASSED

AT WHAT HE SAW AND NEVER SAID A

WORD.

>> EVERY DAY THAT I HAD TO SERVE

I WAS SICK.

>> MIKE SAYS THAT WAS A TEST TO

SEE IF HE WOULD TELL.

PAWKET GROOMING MIKE TO BE HIS

NEXT VICTIM.

>> HE WAS THE CLOSEST THING TO

GOD IN OUR EYES, YOU KNOW, GOING

TO CHURCH, IT WAS JUST, YOU

KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BE A SAFE

PLACE.

IT WAS A LIVING HELL FOR ME.

>> MIKE SAID PAWKET WOULD CORNER

AND MOLEST HIM AFTER MASS EVERY

TIME HE SERVED.

>> I REMEMBER TIMES WHEN I WOULD

JUST RUN HOME.

FOR A WHILE EVERYBODY WAS A

MOLESTER TO ME.

EVERYBODY THAT WORE THAT BLACK

SHIRT AND WHITE COLLAR.

>> HE BEGAN ABUSING ALCOHOL, AND

REMEMBERS THE FIRST TIME HE

THOUGHT ABOUT SUICIDE.

[ TRAIN WHISTLE ]

>> PLAYING WITH A FRIEND NEAR

THE RAILROAD TRACKS AS THE TRAIN

APPROACHED.

>> I REMEMBER PLACING MY HEAD ON

THE TRACK, TURNING AWAY FROM THE

TRAIN, AND THINKING TO MYSELF

THAT IT COULD ALL BE OVER.

NO MORE ABUSE.

JUST STAY THERE, JUST LET IT

HAPPEN.

[ TRAIN WHISTLE ]

AND IT IS JUST ONE OF MANY, MANY

TIMES I THOUGHT THAT I DIDN'T

WANT TO LIVE.

>> HE HID THE PAIN AND WHAT

HAPPENED TO HIM FOR DECADES.

>> WE LIVED IN SILENCE.

THERE'S SO MUCH GUILT AND SHAME,

YOU KNOW, LIKE WE DID SOMETHING

WRONG.

YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIDS.

I HAD TO PUT EVERYTHING ASIDE

AND ACT NORMAL.

>> UNTIL THIS HAPPENED.

A FIERY CRASH NEARLY TOOK HIS

LIFE IN 2002, AND A FLOOD OF

AGONIZING MEMORIES FLASHED BACK.

>> I COULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH

DIFFERENT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO I WOULD HAVE

BEEN IF NONE OF THIS HAD

HAPPENED.

>> HE TOLD HIS FAMILY ABOUT THE

ABUSE, GOT INTO THERAPY, AND

EVENTUALLY SUED THE CATHOLIC

DIOCESE OF BURLINGTON IN 2004.

>> THE FIRST HIGH-PROFILE

LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CHURCH THAT

PLAYED OUT PUBLICLY.

THE CHURCH ACCUSED OF PROTECTING

PRIESTS AND SHUFFLING KNOWN

ABUSERS TO DIFFERENT PARISHES.

>> THEY UNEARTHED A BIG, BIG,

BIG MESS WITH THE DIOCESE.

>> THE DIOCESE HAS NOW SETTLED

ABOUT 50 CASES WITH ABUSE

VICTIMS IN VERMONT, PAYING OUT

MORE THAN $31 MILLION.

MIKE GOT ABOUT $900,000, BUT

SAYS IT WILL NEVER REALLY BE

SETTLED.

>> ALL THIS STUFF THAT'S

HAPPENING NOW IS JUST DRIVING A

KNIFE IN MY HEART, AND I FEEL

FOR SO MANY PEOPLE I CAN'T EVEN

SPEAK ABOUT THIS.

>> RECENT ALLEGATIONS OF SEX

ABUSE AGAINST 300 PRIESTS IN

PENNSYLVANIA AND CLAIMS OF

HORRIFIC ABUSE AT ST. JOSEPH'S

ORPHANAGE IN BURLINGTON ARE

REOPENING MIKE'S WOUNDS.

HE'S BACK IN THERAPY.

>> IT'S JUST MAKING PEOPLE LIKE

MYSELF RELIVE EVERY TIME THEY

WERE ABUSED, AND EVERY OLD

THOUGHT.

>> HERE IN THE DIOCESE OF

BURLINGTON WE'VE LEARNED FROM

OUR MISTAKES.

>> CHRISTOPHER COYNE BECAME

BURLINGTON'S 10TH BISHOP IN

2014, SO HE WASN'T AROUND WHEN

ALL OF THIS HAPPENED.

BUT SAYS THE CHURCH MUST

CONTINUE TO OWN UP TO THESE

ATROCITIES.

>> WHAT IS THE CHURCH DOING TO

MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS

AGAIN?

>> WELL, I WISH WE COULD SAY

THAT IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

AGAIN, BUT I THINK WE'VE DONE

EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN HUMANLY

POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THIS NEVER

HAPPENS AGAIN.

>> HE SAYS PROTOCOLS LIKE

BACKGROUND CHECKS, ONGOING

TRAINING TO SPOT ABUSE, AND

ABUSERS, AUDITS, AND MANDATORY

REPORTING TO POLICE ARE HELPING

TO PROTECT VERMONT'S KIDS NOW.

BUT RECOGNIZES THE HEALING IS

FAR FROM OVER FOR ABUSE VICTIMS

FROM THE PAST.

>> DID THE CHURCH FAIL THESE

CHILDREN?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF

WAYS, ONE IS WE FAILED THEM IN

THAT THEY WERE ABUSED.

THAT PRIESTS AND OTHERS WERE PUT

IN PLACE OF THE AUTHORITY AND

POWER AND USED THAT TO TAKE

ADVANTAGE OF THESE CHILDREN AND

TEENAGERS.

THEN WE FAILED THEM IN NOT BEING

AS CAREFUL, OR NOT BEING AS

QUICK TO REMOVE PRIESTS.

WE FAILED THEM SOMETIMES IN NOT

BELIEVING THEM WHEN THE STORIES

WERE TOLD.

WE FAILED THEM IN COVERING UP,

EVEN WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED.

WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF

WAYS.

>> MY FATHER AND MOTHER ALWAYS

SAID DO THE RIGHT THING, AND I

HOPE THAT I'M MAKING THEM BOTH

PROUD.

>> MIKE HOPES TELLING HIS STORY

WILL GET OTHER ABUSE SURVIVORS

SUFFERING IN SILENCE TO SEEK

HELP.

>> YOU ARE PART OF A VERY, WELL,

A TRAGIC GROUP.

>> THERAPY, OR THROUGH FRIENDS

AND FAMILY.

>> GOT A BRAND NEW MOTOR HOME,

READY TO ROCK FOR THE WEEKEND.

>> FOR HIM WHEN IT GETS TO BE

TOO MUCH, TAKING TURNS AT

THUNDER ROAD HELPS CLEAR HIS

MIND IN HIS NUMBER 3 CAR.

HE'S KNOWN AS BIFFER AT THE

DRAK, AND HOPES SOMEDAY -- TRACK

AND HOPES SOMEDAY HIS PAIN WILL

BE LEFT IN THE DUST.

>> I'M PROTECTING THAT LITTLE

BOY INSIDE WHEN NOBODY ELSE

WOULD.

>> BISHOP COYNE TELLS ME THERE

HAVE BEEN TWO ALLEGATIONS OF SEX

ABUSE MADE AGAINST VERMONT

PRIESTS SINCE 2002.

BOTH WERE INVESTIGATED, ONE CASE

WAS DISMISSED.

THE OTHER LED TO CHARGES AGAINST

FATHER STEVEN NICHOLS.

HE PLEADED GUILTY TO A SEX CRIME

AND IS NO LONGER A PRIEST.

MORE OF MY CONVERSATION WITH

BISHOP COYNE IS STRAIGHT AHEAD

THIS MORNING ON CHANNEL 3'S "YOU

CAN QUOTE ME."

DON'T GO AWAY.

>>> YOUR LATEST NEWS, WEATHER

AND SPORTS IS COMING UP AT THE

TOP OF THE HOUR.

SCOTT FLEISHMAN IS IN THE

NEWSROOM WITH A PREVIEW OF

WHAT'S AHEAD ON THE CHANNEL 3

NEWS SUNDAY MORNING.

HI SCOTT.

>> GOOD MORNING, DARREN.

BURLINGTON PUBLIC WORKS IS

RECEIVING FEEDBACK FROM

RESIDENTS CONCERNING ITS QUICK

BUILD PROJECTS, PLUS, THE

COLCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT IS

PITCHING IN TO HELP MEALS ON

WHEELS.

WE'LL TELL YOU WHY, AND A MEALS

ON WHEELS RECIPIENT SHARES HIS

THOUGHTS ON WHAT THE PROGRAM

MEANS TO HIM.

AND WE GO UNDERWATER TO SHOW YOU

A UNIQUE MUSEUM THAT'S BEING

THREATENED BY AN INVASIVE

SPECIES.

FIND OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING TO

THESE SUNKEN CANAL BOATS.

PLUS, WE SHOULD BE SEEING THE

SUN FOR AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT

TODAY.

DAVE WILL TELL US WHEN WE WILL

DRY OUT AND HAVE A LOOK AT THE

WORKWEEK FORECAST.

WE'LL SEE YOU AT 8:00 A.M.

>> SCOTT, THANK YOU.

>>> WE SPOKE WITH AN ABUSE

VICTIM AT THE TOP OF THE

BROADCAST, VICTIMIZED BY A

VERMONT PRIEST.

NOW MY FULL INTERVIEW WITH

BURLINGTON CATHOLIC BISHOP TO

FIND OUT WHAT THE CHURCH IS

DOING NOW, AND TO GET AN UPDATE

ON AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION.

>> THE RECENT ALLEGATIONS IN

PENNSYLVANIA, COUPLED WITH OTHER

STATES NOW INVESTIGATING

POTENTIAL ABUSE CLAIMS TO ADD TO

THAT THE ORPHANAGE

INVESTIGATION, AND SURVIVORS ARE

TELLING ME THAT THIS IS JUST

DRAGGING UP SOME VERY PAINFUL

MEMORIES.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM?

>> WELL, FIRST, I MEAN, I CAN'T

CONTINUE TO APOLOGIZE AS MUCH AS

I NEED TO FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO

THEM AT THE HANDS OF OTHER

FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH,

YOU KNOW, THOSE SURVIVORS OF

ABUSE ARE OUR BROTHERS AND

SISTERS.

AT TIMES IT'S COME ACROSS AS AN

US VERSUS THEM ADVERSARIAL

RELATIONSHIP, BUT THE MOST

IMPORTANT THING, THESE ARE

MEMBERS OF OUR FAMILY WHO WERE

HURT BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE

FAMILY.

THAT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE FOR

THEM, BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT

RELATIONSHIP, THERE WAS THIS

EXPECTATION OF BEING TAKEN CARE

OF AND NOT BEING ABUSED.

AND THAT'S PLAYED OUT IN ALL

KINDS OF WRECKAGE IN THEIR

LIVES, MOST ESPECIALLY IN LOSS

OF FAITH, THAT MANY FIND IT VERY

DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO

WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, EVEN

WHEN WE -- YOU KNOW, I SAY YOU

CAN TALK TO A PRIEST, YOU CAN

TALK TO ME, THEY DON'T WANT TO

TALK TO SOMEBODY IN A COLLAR,

BECAUSE IT WAS THE COLLAR THAT

HURT THEM.

SO I HEAR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY

CAREFUL HERE IN THE DIOCESE THAT

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE CASES

THAT WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO

SUPPORT SURVIVORS AND TO STAND

WITH THEM AND TO DO EVERYTHING

WE CAN TO MAKE AMENDS.

BUT TO NOT DO OR SAY ANYTHING

THAT COULD HURT THEM EVEN MORE.

I CAN WELL UNDERSTAND WHY THESE

NEW STORIES ARE VERY PAINFUL FOR

THEM.

>> DID THE CHURCH FAIL THESE

CHILDREN?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF

WAYS, ONE IS WE FAILED THEM IN

THAT THEY WERE ABUSED, THAT

PRIESTS AND OTHERS WERE PUT IN

PLACE OF AUTHORITY AND POWER AND

THEY USED THAT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE

OF THESE CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS.

THEN WE FAILED THEM IN NOT BEING

AS CAREFUL, OR NOT BEING AS

QUICK TO REMOVE PRIESTS.

WE FAILED THEM SOMETIMES IN NOT

BELIEVING THEM WHEN THE STORIES

WERE TOLD.

WE FAILED THEM IN COVERING UP

EVEN WHEN IT WAS DISCOVERED.

WE FAILED THEM IN A NUMBER OF

WAYS, AND I, AGAIN, THE ONLY

THING I CAN SAY IS HERE IN THE

DIOCESE OF BURLINGTON, WE'VE

LEARNED FROM OUR MISTAKES.

>> WHAT IS THE CHURCH DOING TO

MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS

AGAIN?

>> WELL, I WISH I COULD SAY THAT

IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

AGAIN, BUT, YOU KNOW, SIN IS

ALWAYS PART OF OUR HUMAN

CONDITION, AND SO WE CAN SET UP

ALL KINDS OF -- ANY ORGANIZATION

CAN SET UP ALL KINDS OF, YOU

KNOW, PROCEDURES AND THINGS TO

MAKE SURE THESE THINGS NEVER

HAPPEN, BUT I WILL SAY THAT I

THINK WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT

WE CAN HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO MAKE

SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN,

THAT ALL OF OUR CLERGY, ALL OF

OUR SEMINARIANS, ALL OUR ADULT

VOLUNTEERS, ALL OF OUR TEACHERS,

ANYBODY WHO WORKS WITH CHILDREN

HAS TO UNDERGO A CRIMINAL

BACKGROUND CHECK.

THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ADULT

TRAINING IN TERMS OF LOOKING FOR

AND UNDERSTANDING THE SIGNS OF

ABUSE, BEING AWARE OF WHAT OTHER

ADULTS ARE DOING AROUND THEM IN

TERMS OF SIGNS OF ABUSERS, LIKE

GROOMING BEHAVIORS, AND ALSO

PROTOCOLS, SUCH AS WHENEVER ANY

KIND OF AN ALLEGATION AGAINST AN

ADULT OR IN ANY WAY OF ABUSING A

CHILD IS MADE, IT IS IMMEDIATELY

BROUGHT TO THE AUTHORITIES AND

NOT TO THE DIOCESE.

WE DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT

SOMETHING UNTIL WE SAY FIRST YOU

HAVE TO GO TO THE AUTHORITIES

AND GET THEM INVOLVED TO MAKE

SURE THAT THINGS ARE BEING DONE

THE WAY THEY SHOULD.

>> AND THAT'S NEW.

>> THAT'S BEEN NEW SINCE 2002,

2003.

PRIOR TO THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY

IN THE CHURCH WAS ADMITTED TO A

REPORTER, SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO

DO THAT.

IN TERMS OF BEING A MANDATORY

REPORTER, IT IS A PROCESS AND A

STEP.

YOU CAN BE A MANDATORY REPORTER,

BUT TRY TO REPORT IT TO ME

FIRST.

WE SAY, NO, MANLD -- MANDATORY

REPORTER, FIRST GO TO TATE

STATE, LOCAL AND GOVERNMENT

AUTHORITIES.

>> IN THE WAKE OF THESE CASES,

WHICH WERE EITHER SETTLED OR

LITIGATED, WAS EVERY PRIEST IN

VERMONT LOOKED AT AFTER THOSE

CASES?

>> EVERY FILE THAT WE HAVE OF A

PRIEST WHO IS ASSIGNED TO

BURLINGTON, VERMONT AS THE

DIOCESE, OR A PRIEST IN THE

DIOCESE OF VERMONT HAS GONE

THROUGH.

WE WENT THROUGH THEM ALL.

WE TURNED OVER ANY FILE THAT HAD

AN ALLEGATION INVOLVING ABUSE OF

A MINOR BACK IN 2002, 2003, TO

STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

THAT WAS DONE RIGHT ACROSS THE

BOARD IN NEW ENGLAND.

THERE WAS ALSO ALL KINDS OF

LITIGATION THAT INVOLVED

DISCOVERY OF FILES, THAT WAS ALL

TURNED OVER.

SO I DON'T SEE US FACING THE

SITUATION HERE IN VERMONT LIKE

THEY DID IN THE DIOCESE IN

PENNSYLVANIA, BECAUSE THAT WAS

ALL DONE -- WHAT HAPPENED IN

PENNSYLVANIA RECENTLY WAS DONE

BACK IN 2003.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE

ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID I WANT TO

LOOK AT THE FILES ONE MORE TIME

WE, AGAIN, ARE MORE THAN WILLING

TO COOPERATE.

>> WERE ALL THE CASES SETTLED

HERE IN VERMONT, ANY PENDING

CASES, ANY NEW CASES?

>> WE DO GET SOME NEW CASES

INVOLVING ALLEGATIONS THAT EXIST

FROM THE 70S AND 80s, SO, YOU

KNOW, LAST YEAR WE SETTLED A

CASE INVOLVING OBVIOUSLY

SOMEBODY WHO WAS ABUSED, IT WAS

WAY PAST THE STATUTE OF

LIMITATIONS, BUT WHEN WE HEARD

THIS PERSON'S STORY WE BELIEVED

THEM, AND WE TRIED TO DO WHAT WE

COULD TO MAKE RESTITUTION FOR

THEM AND TO HELP THEM.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY OF

THOSE CASES ANY MORE, AND I JUST

WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR

THE RIGHT REASONS, AND I NEVER

WANT IT RELY ON STRICT THINGS

LIKE THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO AVOID

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT SINCE 2002,

THAT'S 16 YEARS, WE'VE ONLY HAD

TWO MORE ALLEGATIONS INVOLVING

CLERGY, AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING

THAT HAPPENED POST-2002, AND ONE

OF THEM WAS FOUND TO NOT BE OF

SUBSTANCE, BUT THE OTHER WAS

TURNED OVER TO THE AUTHORITIES

AND HANDLED ACCORDINGLY.

>> YOU ALLUDED TO THIS BISHOP

THAT THE SCANDAL, YOU KNOW,

OBVIOUSLY ROCKED VERMONT VICTIMS

AND THEIR FAMILIES TELL ME IT

CHALLENGED THEIR FAITH, TOO.

WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE FOLKS

WHO WANT TO STILL IN BELIEVE --

STILL BELIEVE IN THE CHURCH?

>> THERE'S SO MUCH HEALING THAT

NEEDS TO GO ON.

THERE'S THE KIND OF PERSONAL

HEALING THAT COMES FROM BEING AN

ABUSE VICTIM, THERE'S THE

WRECKAGE THAT CAN PLAY OUT IN

FAMILIES AND RELATIONSHIPS,

THERE'S THE WRECKAGE THAT CAN

PLAY OUT IN THE KIND OF HISTORY

AND THE TRAUMA OF A PERP'S LIFE

BECAUSE OF -- PERSON'S LIFE

BECAUSE OF ABUSE.

THERE IS THE SPIRITUAL WRECKAGE

THAT COMES FROM HAVING LOST

THEIR FAITH, OR LOST A PLACE OF

FAITH.

AND SO WHENEVER I SPEAK WITH

SURVIVORS AND THEIR FAMILIES, I

ALWAYS SAY, I FOLLOW YOUR LEAD.

WHERE DO YOU -- WHAT DO YOU NEED

ME TO DO, WHAT DO YOU NEED ME TO

HEAR.

TELL ME WHAT YOU NEED FROM ME.

AND IF THEY SAY I JUST WOULD

LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE CHURCH,

I TRY AND HELP THEM.

BUT I DON'T MAKE THAT -- AGAIN,

WHEN I SIT DOWN WITH A SURVIVOR,

I HAVE ALWAYS JUST, YOU KNOW,

UNCONDITIONAL LISTENING AND

ACCEPTANCE OF WHAT THEY ARE

SAYING.

AND LET THEM MAKE A DECISION AS

TO WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FROM ME.

I HOPE THEY CAN FIND A SPIRITUAL

HOME IN THE CHURCH AGAIN, BUT I

CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD

FIND THAT DIFFICULT.

>> YOU WERE IN BOSTON WHEN, YOU

KNOW, THE VERY LARGE-SCALE

SCANDAL HAPPENED.

REALLY OPENED THE FLOODGATE TO

OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER

STATES HERE IN VERMONT AS WELL.

WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THAT?

>> I THINK WHAT WE'VE LEARNED,

OR WHAT I'VE LEARNED MORE THAN

ANYTHING ELSE IS THAT AS A

PRIEST, AND NOW AS A BISHOP, THE

RESPONSE MUST BE ONE THAT'S

PASTORAL, THAT CARES FOR THE

PERSON WHO WAS ABUSED, AND ALSO

FOR THE PERSON WHO'S BEING

ACCUSED, BUT FOCUSES MORE ON

PEOPLE AND LESS ON LITIGATION,

LESS ON, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DO

DAMAGE CONTROL.

VERY EARLY ON IN BOSTON MUCH OF

THE PROCESS, OR MUCH OF THE

REACTION WAS ONE DRIVEN BY

LAWYERS, RIGHTLY SO, LAWYERS DO

WHAT THEY DO, TRYING TO PROTECT

THE CHURCH FROM LITIGATION, YOU

KNOW, BUT THEY WOULD SAY, OH,

NO, YOU CAN'T SAY THIS, OR, NO,

YOU CAN'T DO THAT, WHICH WASN'T

ALWAYS THE PASTORAL RESPONSE.

SO MY WHOLE APPROACH IN

BURLINGTON IS TO BE A PASTOR,

AND NOT A LAWYER, NOT A

POLITICIAN, NOT A PUBLIC

RELATIONS SPECIALIST, BUT TO

JUST DO THE RIGHT THINGS FOR THE

RIGHT REASONS ACCORDING TO MY

FAITH, AND IF IT PLAYS OUT, YOU

KNOW, IN A LITTLE BIT MORE

CHALLENGE AS A CHURCH DOWN THE

ROAD, SO BE IT.

I HAVE TO TRUST IN GOD AND TRUST

THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT

THINGS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

>> IS THE CHURCH PARTICIPATING

IN THE INVESTIGATION INTO ST.

JOSEPH'S ORPHANAGE?

>> NOT AT THIS TIME.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE

HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN

WITH THE TASK FORCE, AND ASK

THEM WHAT THEY NEED FROM US.

BUT I'M MORE THAN WILLING TO

GIVE WHATEVER WE NEED TO GET TO

THE TRUTH OF THE ALLEGATIONS

THAT ARE MADE IN THE STORY.

MUCH OF WHAT IS IN THERE IS

ALREADY A MATTER OF PUBLIC

RECORD, IF NOT ALMOST ALL OF IT.

BUT THERE IS SOME PRETTY

SENSATIONAL ALLEGATIONS AGAINST

THE SISTERS, AND I THINK FOR

THEIR SAKE AND THE SAKE OF THE

PUBLIC I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE

A DETERMINATION MADE AS TO

WHETHER, YOU KNOW, WHAT REALLY

HAPPENED.

WITHOUT DISMISSING THE ABUSE

THAT WE KNOW HAPPENED.

>> YOU SAID IN A PHONE INTERVIEW

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ATROCITIES

DID HAPPEN AT THE ORPHANAGE, BUT

THAT SOME OF THE ALLEGATIONS

BEING MADE MIGHT BE CALLED URBAN

MYTH.

DO YOU STILL STAND BY THAT?

>> THAT WAS A POOR CHOICE OF

PHRASES, BECAUSE IT COULD BE

PEOPLE, AGAIN, TO BELIEVE THAT I

AM DISMISSING WHAT THEY SAID OUT

OF HAND.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M SPEAKING

MORE TO THE KIND OF ALLEGATIONS,

YOU KNOW, THAT A NUN OR A GROUP

OF NUNS MURDERED CHILDREN.

THOSE STORIES AT TIMES HAVE

APPEARED IN KIND OF URBAN MYTHS,

BUT IN USING THAT PHRASE THAT

WAS INAPPROPRIATE.

COULD A CHILD HAVE DROWNED IN

LAKE CHAMPLAIN IN THE 100-PLUS

YEARS THEY WERE THERE?

WHO KNOWS, YOU KNOW.

BUT IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A

CHILD DROWN, ANOTHER THING TO

SAY THE NUNS ACTUALLY DID IT,

YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING LIKE

THAT.

SO I THINK OFTENTIMES WITH

STORIES LIKE THAT, THERE IS A

KERNEL OF TRUTH THERE.

AND THE KERNEL OF TRUTH WAS THAT

THERE WAS HARSH DISCIPLINE,

THERE WAS ABUSE, THERE WERE

PRIESTS ASSIGNED THERE AS

CHAPLAINS WHO UNFORTUNATELY DID

ABUSE CHILDREN.

BUT I HAVE LEARNED TO BE MUCH

MORE CAREFUL WITH MY LANGUAGE

THIS TIME.

>> CAN YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON

THE INVESTIGATION OR IS THIS

REALLY IN THE TASK FORCE'S HANDS

AT THIS POINT?

>> AT THIS POINT IT IS IN THEIR

HANDS.

WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO MEET

WITH THEM LATER THIS WEEK AND

JUST GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY

ARE ASKING FROM US, AND WHAT WE

CAN DO TO HELP.

I KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TELL

THEIR STORIES, AND I THINK

THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT WE WANT

TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE STORIES,

TOO, TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE

SUPPORTIVE OF THEIR HEALING, BUT

ALSO, AGAIN, TO GET TO THE TRUTH

OF THE MATTER.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE

ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE SISTERS

OF PROVIDENCE ARE PRETTY

HORRIFIC, AND I THINK THEY NEED

TO HAVE THEIR TIME TO HAVE

THEMSELVES -- TO HAVE THOSE

ALLEGATIONS TESTED BY THE

REALITY OF, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE,

AND ALSO TESTIMONY.

>> WHAT DOES THE CHURCH WANT.

WHAT DO YOU WANT VERMONT TO

KNOW.

IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THIS.

>> FIRSTFUL ALL, I WANT -- FIRST

OF ALL, THE MOST IMPORTANT

THING, I WANT THE PEOPLE OF --

WHO ARE CATHOLIC IN VERMONT, WHO

ARE STILL STAYING WITH THE

CHURCH TO KNOW HOW GRATEFUL I AM

THAT THEY ARE STAYING WITH US

AND STAYING WITH OUR FAITH IN

SPITE OF ALL THAT'S HAPPENED.

I WANT THEM ALSO TO KNOW THAT AS

THEIR BISHOP I WILL NEVER LIE,

AND I WILL ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH

IN TERMS OF WHAT I KNOW TO THE

EXTENT OF WHAT I KNOW, AND I

WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING

INTENTIONALLY TO HURT SURVIVORS

AND THEIR FAMILIES.

AND THAT I WANT TO KNOW THE

TRUTH OF THESE MATTERS AS MUCH

AS EVERYBODY ELSE, THAT I AM AS

HORRIFIED AND ASHAMED OF WHAT

OUR FAMILY DID TO OUR FAMILY

MEMBERS IN OUR CHURCH, AND THAT

THE ONLY WAY I CAN -- THE ONLY

THING I CAN DO IS TO LEARN FROM

THESE MISTAKES AND NOT REPEAT

THEM, AND TO DO AS MUCH HEALING

AS I CAN.

>> BISHOP COYNE, THANK YOU.

UP NEXT, CELINE McARTHUR JOINS

ME TO STALK ABOUT "THE FIX."

CHANNEL 3'S INVESTIGATION INTO

THE OPIOID PIPELINE.

DON'T GO AWAY.

>>> IT IS KILLING PEOPLE AT AN

ALARMING RATE, AND THAT RATE IS

INCREASING EVERY DAY.

>> THAT'S VERMONT'S STATE POLICE

COLONEL, MATT BIRMINGHAM,

TALKING ABOUT THE OPIOID CRISIS

IN THE GREEN MOUNTAIN STATE.

IT IS THE FOCUS OF A SPECIAL

REPORT CALLED "THE FIX," THE

OPIOID PIPELINE BY MY COLLEAGUE

CELINE McARTHUR, WHO JOINS ME

NOW.

GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS

TOPIC FOR THREE YEARS.

TELL US ABOUT IT.

>> THREE YEARS.

THREE YEARS AGO I COVERED A CASE

WHERE AN 18-YEAR-OLD, SHE HAD

INJECTED HEROIN AND OVERDOSED,

SHE CRASHED HER CAR AND SHE WAS

EJECTED.

HER FAMILY CAME TO ME AFTERWARDS

AND SAID, WOULD YOU COVER THE

PROCESS, WOULD YOU COVER OUR

GRIEF, I MEAN, LITERALLY GOING

THROUGH THE FUNERAL PROCESS AND

EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THEY WANTED

THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW SERIOUS

OF A PROBLEM IT IS, AND WHAT

IT'S LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

LEFT BEHIND.

AND AT THAT MOMENT I WAS LIKE,

WOW, I HAD NEVER REALLY COVERED

IT THIS WAY, AND IT STARTED TO

SNOWBALL.

THESE CASES ARE ALMOST

UNBELIEVABLE.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBERS,

YOU ALMOST WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

>> SOME OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO

SEE THIS COMING TUESDAY IS PART

OF AN ORIGINAL SPECIAL THAT YOU

PUT TOGETHER.

>> YES.

I PUT A ONE-HOUR SPECIAL

TOGETHER, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN NEW

HAMPSHIRE THAT SAID CAN YOU HELP

US FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THE

DRUGS ARE COMING FROM AND HOW SO

MANY ARE GETTING INTO NEW

HAMPSHIRE.

SO I WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO

THE CARIBBEAN AND WE FOLLOWED

THE PIPELINE THAT GOES ALL THE

WAY UP THE EAST COAST, NOT ONLY

INTO NEW HAMPSHIRE, BUT ALSO TO

VERMONT.

AT THE TIME WE ENDED IT AT

MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE, THE

EPICENTER OF THE DRUG CRISIS

THERE.

I AM BRINGING THAT IN SO PEOPLE

CAN BE EDUCATED.

THE KEY IS, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE

TO STOP THE FLOW OF THE DRUGS,

YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT'S COMING

UP, AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE

CHALLENGES THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN

LAW ENFORCEMENT FACES IN

ACTUALLY CUTTING IT OFF.

SO THAT PART YOU'LL SEE.

BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WILL BE NEW.

SO I'M IN RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF

NEW HAMPSHIRE AND HERE IN

VERMONT,IOUS TO JUST TO SEE --

JUST TO SEE WHAT THE STATE OF IT

HERE.

FRIGHTENING, EYE-OPENING, AND I

MEAN, RECORD DEATHS.

>> LET'S TAKE A LOOK.

\M\M

[ YELLING]

>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK IT'S

JUST IN THE LARGER CITIES.

>> LOOKS LIKE HE GOT ONE

APPROACHING HER AT THE FAR END

OF THE STREET THERE.

>> WE HAVE TO KEEP THEM AWAY

FROM OUR KIDS.

>> WE ARE ASKING THE PUBLIC TO

BE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

>> IT CONTINUES TO GET WORSE.

IN ONE AREA, THEN PEOPLE LEAVE

AND MOVE TO ANOTHER.

>> THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

[ YELLING ]

>> IT'S COMING AT US LIKE WE'VE

NEVER SEEN.

>> IT'S SO POWERFUL.

THIS AIRS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9TH,

AT 7:00.

>> AND IT IS JUST THE BEGINNING.

IT IS A NEW SERIES WE ARE ALL

FOCUSING ON THE CRISIS, SO NOT

ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT WE ARE

ADDRESSING THE EDUCATION, THE

RECOVERY, THERE'S SO MANY

ELEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS

IN ORDER TO REALLY WRAP OUR

MINDS AROUND THE PROBLEM.

SO THAT IS A CHANNEL 3 NEWS

COMMITMENT TO YOU.

AND WE DEFINITELY WANT THE

PUBLIC INVOLVED, BECAUSE THIS IS

A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION,

THAT WE ALL NEED TO HAVE IN

ORDER TO GET A HANDLE ON THE

CRISIS.

>> CELINE, LOOKING FORWARD TO

IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US

THIS MORNING.

AND THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

AGAIN, OUR SPECIAL REPORT AIRS

THIS TUESDAY NIGHT AT 7:00 P.M.

TAKE CARE, EVERYBODY.

SEE YOU SOON.

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