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>> Darren: GOOD MORNING, I'M

DARREN PERRON.

RIGHT NOW ON YOU CAN QUOTE ME,

STORAGE SAVINGS.

BATTERIES, SAVING POWER

CUSTOMERS CASH.

PLUS, HOW SOME VERMONTERS CAN

GET POWERWALL BATTERIES FREE.

PLUS, DAMNING ALLEGATIONS OF

ABUSE AT AN OLD ORPHANAGE RUN

BY THE A CATHOLIC CHURCH IN

BURLINGTON.

THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS

MORNING.

AFTER A FOUR-YEAR PROBE BY

BUZZFEED, CHANNEL 3 NEWS GOT

THE FIRST INTERVIEW WITH THE

INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER WHO

PORED OVER DOCUMENTS AND VIDEO

AND SHARED THAT INFORMATION

WITH WCAX.

CHANNEL 3 NEWS TOLD YOU ABOUT

THE CLAIMS BY FORMER ORPHANS

WHEN THEY FIRST SURFACED IN

THE 1990S.

NOW NEW INFORMATION ABOUT

THOSE ALLEGATIONS THAT INCLUDE

TORTURE, SEX ABUSE, AND

POSSIBLY EVEN MURDER.

>> IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, NEVER

LET IT HAPPEN TO CHILDREN

AGAIN.

>> SALLY DESCRIBED THE HORRORS

SHE ENDURED AS A CHILD AT ST.

JOSEPH'S ORPHANAGE IN

BURLINGTON.

DAILY BEATINGS, SEXUAL ABUSE,

LOCKED IN A SMALL CONTAINER IN

THE ATTIC.

ALLEGATIONS SHE MADE UNDER

OATH DURING THE 1990S.

>> THEY USED TO MAKE ALL THE

OTHER KIDS LAUGH AT ME AND

TELL THEM WHAT A BAD GIRL I

WAS.

>> NOW THOSE TAPED TESTIMONIES

FROM DALE AND OTHER ALLEGED

VICTIMS HAVE COME TO LIGHT,

AFTER AN EXTENSIVE

INVESTIGATION BY CHRISTINE

KENNEALLY FOR BUZZFEED.

>> THERE WAS THIS INCREDIBLE

DATABASE ALMOST ABOUT THE

HISTORY AT ST. JOSEPH THAT'S

THAT HAD OTHERWISE BEEN

HIDDEN.

>> Darren: IN THE 90s, CHANNEL

3 NEWS REPORTED ON THE ABUSE

ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE

SISTERS WHO RAN THE BURLINGTON

ORPHANAGE, UNTIL ITS CLOSURE

IN THE '70S.

IN THIS NEW REPORT ALLEGED

VICTIMS MAKE EVEN MORE

SINISTER CLAIMS.

THAT SOME CHILDREN WERE

MURDERED, BEATEN TO DEATH,

SHOVED OUT OF WINDOWS, AND

PUSHED OUT OF ROW BOATS.

>> ALL THE TIME I WAS THERE IT

HAPPENED, EVERY SUMMER.

>> I SAID DID HE BROWN?

>> WHO -- DROWN.

>> WHO TO?

>> TO THE NUN.

SHE SAID DON'T WORRY, HE'S

GONE HOME FOR GOOD.

>> HOW CREDIBLE ARE THESE

ALLEGATIONS, AND HOW DID YOU

SUBSTANTIATE THEIR STORIES?

>> ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE

THINGS ABOUT THESE STORIES IS

THAT BY THEM SELF THEY SEEM

OUTLANDISH OR FANTASTIC OR

IMPROBABLE.

ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW

VIOLENT THOSE PLACES WERE, HOW

ENDEMIC THE VIOLENCE WAS,

THESE STORIES ABOUT MURDER AND

DEATHS START TO MAKE A LOT

MORE SENSE.

THE STORIES MATCHED.

THEY WERE CONSISTENT.

THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME KIND

OF ABUSE.

THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME

WEAPONS OF ABUSE.

THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME

CLIMATE OF FEAR AND VIOLENCE

AND HUMILIATION.

>> Darren: SHE INTERVIEWED

ALLEGED VICTIMS AGAIN, FOUND

DEATH CERTIFICATES, EVEN

THOUGH THE ORPHANAGE DENIED

CHILDREN DIED THERE.

KENNEALLY TRIED TO TRACK DOWN

THE NUNS, BUT THAT WAS TOUGH,

BECAUSE MOST USE DIFFERENT

NAMES IN THE ORDER, AND MANY

WERE DEAD.

SHE FOUND ONE, SISTER

PRISCILL WHO ADMITTED NUNS

WERE GRANTED PERMISSION TO

BEAT CHILDREN AND THAT SHE

WITNESSED A GIRL FALL OUT OF

THE WINDOW, BUT DENIED PUSHING

HER AS AN ALLEGED VICTIM

CLAIMS.

>> AND SHE JUST WENT --

>> THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE

SETTLED SOME CASES IN THE 90s.

MANY WERE DISMISSED.

AND THERE WERE NO CRIMINAL

CHARGES.

THE CHURCH HAD TIME ON ITS

SIDE.

STATUTES OF LIMITATIONS RAN

OUT.

VICTIMS' MEMORIES, AND

CHRONOLOGY WERE CLOUDY.

SO LAWYERS CAST DOUBT ON THEIR

CREDIBILITY.

AND THE EVENTS HAPPENED SO

LONG IN THE PAST IT WAS

DIFFICULT TO VERIFY ANYTHING.

>> WE LIVE NOW IN A VERY

DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WHEN THE

LITIGATION OCCURRED.

IT WAS A WORLD WHERE ANY

CLAIMS AGAINST CLERGY WERE

OFTEN JUST SIMPLY NOT BELIEVED

AT ALL.

>> KENNEALLY SAID THE CHURCH'S

SUBSEQUENT SEX ABUSE SCANDAL

AND ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS

INTO PEDOPHILE PRIESTS CHANGED

EVERYTHING.

AND MAY NOW GIVE THESE ALLEGED

VICTIMS A VOICE, TOO.

>> THEY HAVE THE SAME STORY 20

YEARS LATER THAT THEY WERE

TELLING IN THE 1990S, THEY

DESERVE TO BE HEARD NOW, AND

THEY DESERVED TO BE HEARD IN A

WORLD WHERE THEY WILL BE TAKEN

SERIOUSLY.

>> Darren: MY FULL INTERVIEW

WITH CHRISTINE KENNEALLY NEXT.

LEARN MORE ABOUT HER

INVESTIGATION.

PLUS, ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS SAVED

MONEY DURING THE RECENT HOT

WEATHER.

WE WILL TELL YOU HOW.

>> Darren: WHAT REALLY WENT ON

INSIDE AN ORPHANAGE IN

BURLINGTON FOR DECADES?

HERE NOW IS MY ENTIRE

INTERVIEW WITH INVESTIGATIVE

REPORTER CHRISTINE KENNEALLY.

CHRISTINE KENNEALLY, THANK YOU

SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> DARREN, THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR HAVING ME.

>> Darren: WHEN DID YOU START

WORKING ON THIS INVESTIGATION,

AND WHY?

>> I STARTED WORKING ON THE

STORY OF ST. JOSEPH'S IN

BURLINGTON, VERMONT ABOUT FOUR

YEARS AGO, AND I STARTED FROM

A LONG WAY AWAY.

I STARTED BECAUSE TEN YEARS

AGO I SPOKE TO SOME PEOPLE IN

AUSTRALIA WHO HAD GROWN UP IN

ORPHANAGES IN THAT COUNTRY I

HAD NO IDEA THAT PEOPLE WERE

STILL IN ORPHANAGES IN THE

20TH CENTURY, AND I HAD NO

IDEA WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WENT

ON IN THEM.

I STARTED FOLLOWING THAT

STORY, AND I STARTED FOLLOWING

IT AROUND THE WORLD.

AND I SPOKE TO PEOPLE WHO GREW

UP IN ORPHANAGES IN IRELAND

AND IN ENGLAND, AND IN OTHER

COUNTRIES AS WELL.

BUT THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY

THING FOR ME WAS THAT I

COULDN'T FIND PEOPLE IN

AMERICA WHO HAD GROWN UP IN

ORPHANAGES.

IT WAS THIS INVISIBLE HISTORY.

BUT THE MORE I WROTE, THE MORE

I FOUND, AND WHAT I FOUND WAS

THAT IN ST. JOSEPH'S ORPHANAGE

IN BURLINGTON, VERMONT, IN

FACT, AROUND 100 PEOPLE HAD

COME FORWARD IN THE 1990S TO

LITIGATE AND TO TELL STORIES

ABOUT TERRIBLE THINGS THAT HAD

HAPPENED TO THEM WHEN THEY

WERE GROWING UP IN THE 1930S,

IN THE 40s, 50s AND 60s, AND

THE 70S IN THAT ORPHANAGE.

>> Darren: NOW, AS YOU

MENTIONED, THESE ALLEGATIONS

REALLY SPAN THE GLOBE ABOUT

ABUSE IN ORPHANAGES.

WHY FOCUS SO MUCH OF YOUR

ATTENTION ON THE ORPHANAGE IN

BURLINGTON?

>> YES.

I FOCUSED ON ST. JOSEPH'S IF

BURLINGTON SPECIFICALLY

BECAUSE THERE WAS LITIGATION

IN THE 1990S, SO EVEN THOUGH

MANY OF THE STORIES TOLD BY

THE FORMER RESIDENTS OF ST.

JOSEPH'S ARE VERY ALIKE IN ALL

THEIR AWFULNESS, STORIES TOLD

BY RESIDENTS OF OTHER

ORPHANAGES, BECAUSE THESE

PEOPLE HAD COME FORWARD IN THE

1990, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MADE

THESE IN-DEPTH AND COMPLICATED

STATEMENTS UNDER OATH DURING

LITIGATION, I WAS ABLE TO USE

THOSE STATEMENTS TO ACTUALLY

PIECE TOGETHER THE LARGER

HISTORY OF ST. JOSEPH'S, AND,

AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE WAS

LITIGATION, THERE WERE

INTERVIEWS UNDER OATH WITH

NUNS AT THE TIME, AND WITH

PRIESTS AT THE TIME AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS THIS INCREDIBLE

DATABASE ALMOST ABOUT THE

HISTORY OF ST. JOSEPH'S THAT

HAD OTHERWISE REALLY BEEN

HIDDEN.

>> THESE ALLEGATIONS OBVIOUSLY

VERY SERIOUS, HEARTBREAKING,

ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING TO READ,

FRANKLY, MAKES YOU SICK TO

YOUR STOMACH.

IN ADDITION TO THE HORRIFYING

ALLEGATIONS OF TORTURE, SEX

ABUSE, CONFINEMENT, GENITAL

MUTILATION, AND OTHER FORMS OF

ABUSE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE

FEATURED IN YOUR REPORT

INDICATE THE ABUSE EVEN LED TO

THE DEATH OF CHILDREN.

BASICALLY CHILDREN MURDERED BY

NUNS.

HOW CREDIBLE ARE THESE

ALLEGATIONS, AND HOW DID YOU

SUBSTANTIATE THEIR STORIES?

>> YEAH.

THAT'S RIGHT.

SO IN ADDITION TO THESE

STORIES ABOUT SEXUAL ABUSE AND

EMOTIONAL ABUSE AND PHYSICAL

ABUSE, INCLUDING TORTURE,

THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OF DEATH

AND MURDER AT ST. JOSEPH'S AS

WELL.

THESE STORIES COME FROM

RESIDENTS WHO WERE THERE IN

THE 1940S AND IN THE 1950S,

AND ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE

THINGS ABOUT THESE STORIES IS

THAT BY THEM SELF THEY SEEM

OUTLANDISH OR FANTASTIC, OR

IMPROBABLE.

WHEN YOU DON'T ACTUALLY

UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED

BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS OF THE

ORPHANAGE.

ONCE YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHAT

HAPPENED INSIDE ORPHANAGES,

ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW

VIOLENT THOSE PLACES WERE, HOW

ENDEMIC THE VIOLENCE WAS, HOW

BRUTAL THEY WERE, THESE

STORIES ABOUT MURDER AND DEATH

START TO MAKE A LOT MORE

SENSE.

ITCH EXAMINED SOME OF THESE

STORIES IN GREAT DETAIL -- I

EXAMINED THEM AS FAR AS I

COULD.

THESE WERE CLAIMS THAT

ORIGINATED IN THE 1940S, AND

IN THE 1950S, BUT ONE OF THE

MAIN THINGS THAT I DID WAS TO

TEST THE RELIABILITY OF THE

WITNESSES.

SO THESE WITNESSES CAME

FORWARD, THEY MADE THESE

COMPLICATED STATEMENTS.

I TRACKED DONE EVERY STORY I

COULD, AND MY EXPERIENCE WAS

THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TRUTH

TELLERS.

AND WHERE IT WAS POSSIBLE I

FOUND THESE PEOPLE AGAIN.

THESE PEOPLE CAME FORWARD IN

THE 1990S, THEY TOLD THESE

STORIES.

I TRACKED THEM DOWN IN 2016,

IN 2017, I SPOKE TO THEM

AGAIN, AND THEY VALIDATED WHAT

THEY HAD SAID, THE STORIES

HELD UP.

THEY WERE CONSISTENT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK

ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE

THINGS ABOUT ALL THE MATERIAL

FROM ST. JOSEPH'S IS THE

POWERFUL CORROBORATION ACROSS

ALL OF THE STORIES.

SO UP TO AND INCLUDING THOSE

STORIES OF DEATH I TESTED

THESE STORIES AGAINST EACH

OTHER.

SO PEOPLE CAME FORWARD IN THE

1990S WHO HADN'T SEEN EACH

OTHER FOR TEN OR 20 OR 30

YEARS.

THEY HADN'T SPOKEN TO EACH

OTHER, MANY OF THEM HADN'T

SPOKEN TO ANYONE ELSE WHO HAD

BEEN TO THE ORPHANAGE, BUT

THEIR STORIES MATCHED.

THEY WERE CONSISTENT.

THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME KIND

OF ABUSE.

THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME

WEAPONS OF ABUSE.

THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME

CLIMATE OF FEAR AND VIOLENCE

AND HUMILIATION.

SO THERE WAS INCREDIBLE

CORROBORATION THERE.

I WENT TO ST. JOSEPH'S, I

WALKED THROUGH ST. JOSEPH'S, I

WALKED THROUGH THE OLD

BUILDING, I TRACKED DOWN EVERY

DOCUMENT I COULD FIND.

I FOUND DEATH CERTIFICATES.

DURING THE LITIGATION, THE

REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CHURCH

DENIED WHEREVER THEY COULD ANY

KNOWLEDGE OF ANY DEATHS THAT

HAD OCCURRED AT ST. JOSEPH'S.

IN ACTUAL FACT, THERE ARE

DEATH CERTIFICATES FROM THE

50s, FROM THE 40s, CERTAINLY

FROM EARLIER, AS YOU WOULD

EXPECT, WHICH CONTRADICT THE

POSITION TAKEN BY THESE PEOPLE

AT THE TIME.

>> Darren: NOW, CORRECT ME IF

IWRONG, BUT WITHIN THE COURT

PROCEEDINGS THERE WERE SOME

INCONSISTENT RECOLLECTIONS BY

SOME OF THE ALLEGED VICTIMS,

LIKE THE TIMING OF WHEN THEY

REMEMBERED WHAT ALLEGEDLY

HAPPENED, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

THE MEMORY PROBLEM IS REALLY

INTERESTING ONE.

IT'S ONE THAT GOT A LOT OF

ATTENTION IN THE 1990S.

AND THERE ARE COMPLEXITIES TO

IT, AND IT BECAME A HUGE DEAL

IN THIS PROCESS OF COMBATIVE

LITIGATION.

BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT SO

COMPLICATED THAT WE SHOULD

FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T MAKE

SENSE.

SO I THINK WHAT COMES OUT OF

THIS STORY IN PARTICULAR, AND

WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH THE

FORMER RESIDENTS OF ST.

JOSEPH'S IS THAT ALL KIND OF

MEMORIES, INCLUDING TRAUMATIC

MEMORY, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY

INCLUDES SOME KIND OF

INCONSISTENCY, SO I THINK ONE

OF THE EXPERTS DURING THE

ORPHANAGE LITIGATION SAID

SOMEONE HAD EVERY SINGLE

DETAIL OF A STORY PERFECTLY

RIGHT AND THEY DID EVERY

SINGLE TIME, THAT'S WHEN YOU

WOULD ACTUALLY WORRY.

TRAUMATIC MEMORY IN THAT

REGARD IS REALLY JUST LIKE

NORMAL MEMORY.

NO ONE IS 100% ACCURATE ALL

THE TIME.

IN ALL THE DETAILS THAT

MATTERED, THESE STORIES ARE

ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY VERY

STRONG, THOUGH.

AND ANY INCONSISTENCIES DON'T

IN ANY WAY SUGGEST OTHERWISE.

IT'S ALSO THE CASE THAT MEMORY

WORKS DIFFERENTLY FOR

DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND THAT'S,

AGAIN, ALSO TRUE FOR TRAUMATIC

MEMORY.

SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE RESIDENTS

OF ST. JOSEPH'S IN BURLINGTON

NEVER FORGET WHAT HAPPENED TO

THEM IN ALL ITS TERRIBLE

DETAIL.

BUT MANY PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER

WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM OR THEY

CAN REMEMBER SMALL PIECES OVER

MANY YEARS.

LIKE SMALL PIECES OF A PUZZLE,

BUT IT IS NOT UNTIL MUCH LATER

IN LIFE THAT THEY ACTUALLY

SUDDENLY ARE ABLE TO PUT THAT

PUZZLE TOGETHER AND TO HAVE

ACCESS TO WHOLE MEMORY AND TO

EVEN MOST CRITICALLY, TO

UNDERSTAND HOW IT SHAPED THEIR

LIVES.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT

OF THE SCIENCE OF MEMORY, A

LOT OF THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION

WAS REALLY UNFAMILIAR IN THE

1990S, WE ARE ALL MUCH MORE

FAMILIAR NOW WITH THAT KIND

OF, I THINK, WHAT WE NOW SEE

IS THIS CLASSIC EXPERIENCE FOR

PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH

SOMETHING LIKE THIS OF BEING

TRIGGERED, YOU KNOW, OF

WALKING DOWN A STREET 30 YEARS

LATER, OF BUMPING INTO SOMEONE

40 YEARS LATER, OF SEEING

SOMETHING OR HEARING A STORY,

AND JUST HAVING A FLOOD OF

THESE TERRIBLE MEMORIES COME

FORWARD, AND THEN IN A SENSE

BEING FORCED TO DEAL WITH WHAT

HAPPENED TO THEM.

>> Darren: WERE YOU ABLE TO

TRACK DOWN SOME OF THESE NUNS,

AND, IF SO, WHAT DID THEY TELL

YOU?

>> IT WAS REALLY HARD TO TRACK

DOWN THE NUNS.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR

THAT IS JUST BECAUSE NUNS

OFTEN, ESPECIALLY AT THIS

TIME, USED A DIFFERENT NAME.

IT WAS REALLY HARD TO WORK OUT

HOW TO GET HOLD OF THEM.

I MADE A REQUEST OF THE ORDER

MANY TIMES TO SPEAK TO

INDIVIDUAL NUNS.

THEY DID NOT RESPOND TO THAT,

OR THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T

AVAILABLE.

I FOUND ONE WOMAN WHO HAD BEEN

A NUN AT ST. JOSEPH'S

ORPHANAGE IN THE 1950S.

SHE LEFT HER ORDER, BUT SHE IS

STILL VERY MUCH A DEVOTED

CATHOLIC, AND SHE TOOK A GREAT

DEAL OF PLEASURE AND PRIDE IN

HER WORK AS A NUN AND HER TIME

IN THAT COMMUNITY AND SHE WAS

A REALLY INTERESTING PERSON.

THERE WERE ACCUSATIONS THAT

SHE HAD PUSHED A GIRL OUT A

WINDOW, OR ATTEMPTED TO PSH A

GIRL OUT A -- PUSH A GIRL OUT

THE WINDOW IN THE 1950S, TWO

EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNTS.

I ASKED HER ABOUT THIS.

AND SHE ACTUALLY SAID, YES,

THAT WAS ME.

SHE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE WAS

THERE WHEN THAT INCIDENT

OCCURRED.

THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT

IN MY REPORTING BECAUSE

EVERYTHING THE DEFENSE HAD

SAID, EVERYTHING I HAD READ

THAT THE DEFENSE HAD SAID

AFTER THAT POINT -- UP TO THAT

POINT CAST DOUBT ON THE

VERACITY OF ALL THESE STORIES,

SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE IT HADN'T

ACTUALLY HAPPENED AT ALL, THAT

IT WAS SOME KIND OF BLOWN UP

FIGUREMENT OF IMAGINATION --

FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, A

MISREMEMBERING OF CHILDHOOD.

THIS WOMAN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.

SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE.

SHE DID NOT PUSH THE GIRL OUT

THE WINDOW, ACCORDING TO HER.

SHE SAID THE GIRL FELL.

THE GIRL WAS LARGE AND CLUMSY,

ACCORDING TO THIS NUN.

SO I DID NOT EXPECT TO -- I

WASN'T SURPRISED THAT THERE

WERE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE

SAME STORY, BUT WHAT DID NOT

REALLY OCCUR DURING THE

LITIGATION IN 1990S WAS JUST

THAT KIND OF BASIC

VERIFICATION THAT THERE WERE

THE SAME STORY.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> Darren: YOU REACHED OUT TO

THE BURLINGTON DIOCESE FOR

COMMENT.

WHAT DID THE CHURCH SAY ABOUT

THESE ALLEGATIONS, WHAT DID

YOU HEAR FROM OFFICIALS THERE?

>> THE CHURCH MADE A BRIEF

STATEMENT TO THE EFFECT THAT

THEY CAN'T CHANGE WHAT

HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT THAT

THEY TAKE ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE

VERY SERIOUSLY.

>> Darren: THEY DIDN'T DENY

THIS HAPPENED.

>> A THEY DID NOT DENY THAT IT

HAPPENED.

>> Darren: HAVE THESE

ALLEGATIONS RESULTED IN

CHARGES, SETTLEMENTS, OR EVEN

ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY

HAPPENED BY THE CHURCH, BY THE

GOVERNMENT?

>> YEAH.

THAT'S SUCH A CRITICAL

QUESTION.

THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

IN THE 1990S THERE WAS VERY

SMALL SETTLEMENTS MADE UPON

THESE PEOPLE, AND PRIMARILY

THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CLAIMS

WERE DISMISSED BY A JUDGE

BECAUSE OF THE STATUTE OF

LIMITATIONS.

THE IDEA BEING EFFECTIVELY NOT

THAT THEY'D NECESSARILY DIDN'T

HAPPEN AT ALL, BUT THAT THEY

HADN'T REPORTED IT SOON

ENOUGH.

SO I THINK THERE ARE REALLY

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THERE

ABOUT THE STATUTE OF

LIMITATIONS, AND HOW OFTEN THE

CITIZENS IT PROTECTS ARE IN

FACT PERPETRATORS AND NOT

VICTIMS.

BUT WE DO NEED TO EXAMINE

THESE STORIES AGAIN NOW, AND

WE NEED TO EXAMINE THEM VERY

SERIOUSLY AND TO ASK THOSE

QUESTIONS ABOUT JUSTICE AND

ABOUT CONSEQUENCES, BECAUSE WE

ARE ACTUALLY, WE LIVE NOW IN A

VERY DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WHEN

THE LITIGATION OCCURRED.

THESE CLAIMS WERE FIRST MADE

IN THE 1990S, AND THIS WAS

BEFORE THE BOSTON GLOBE'S VERY

FAMOUS SPOTLIGHT

INVESTIGATION, BEFORE THERE

WERE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL CASES

IN VERMONT IN THE EARLY 2000S

WHERE PLAINTIFFS FINALLY WON

DAMAGES IN PRIEST SEX ABUSE

CASES.

IT WAS A WORLD WHERE ANY

CLAIMS AGAINST CLERGY WERE

OFTEN JUST SIMPLY NOT BELIEVED

AT ALL.

NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE

EVIDENCE THAT WAS GATHERED

THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALK TO

PEOPLE WHO SPENT TIME THERE,

YOU CAN SEE THE WAYS IN WHICH

THESE CLAIMS CAME OUT OF A

WORLD OF, SORT OF THIS

VIOLENCE AND BRUTALITY, AND IN

A WAY NOW IT'S BELIEVABLE, WE

CAN SEE THAT WE NEED TO

CONSIDER IT.

THE WORLD IS SO DIFFERENT NOW.

WE KNOW THAT WITH THESE

STORIES ALL OVER THE UNITED

STATES IT'S OFTEN BEING NOT

JUST PERPETRATION OF THIS KIND

OF ABUSE, BUT AN ORGANIZED AND

SOPHISTICATED MECHANISM OF

COVERUP WHEN IT COMES TO

CLERGY ABUSE OF ALL KINDS.

PEOPLE NO LONGER DOUBT THAT

THAT IS POSSIBLE.

AND SPECIFICALLY WITH ST.

JOSEPH'S, WHEN YOU SIFT

THROUGH ALL THE MATERIAL, WHEN

YOU ACTUALLY SEEK THESE

PEOPLE, YOU FIND THESE

INCREDIBLE PATENTS AND THIS

INCREDIBLE CORPORATION, AND

ALSO OVERWHELMINGLY, THE FACT

THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TRUTH

TELLERS, THAT STORIES MAKE

SENSE, AND THAT THEY HAVE THE

SAME STORY 20 YEARS LATER,

THAT THEY WERE TELLING IN THE

1990S.

THEY DESERVE TO BE HEARD NOW,

AND THEY DESERVE TO BE HEARD

IN A WORLD WHERE THEY WILL BE

TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

>> Darren: CHRISTINE

KENNEALLY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, DARREN.

THANK YOU.

>> Darren: I SPOKE WITH

BURLINGTON'S BISHOP,

CHRISTOPHER COYNE, ABOUT THE

STORY.

HE ADMITS SCANDALOUS ABUSES

TOOK PLACE AT THE ORPHANAGE,

AND AUTHORED AN APOLOGY ON

BEHALF OF THE CHURCH.

HOWEVER, HE DESCRIBED THE

BUZZFEED REPORT AS

SENSATIONAL, AND THE

ACCUSATIONS OF MURDER AS URBAN

MYTH.

ADDING IF ANY OF THIS

OCCURRED, WHY DID NO ONE COME

FORWARD, AND WHY WAS NOTHING

DONE ABOUT IT.

YOUR LATEST NEWS HEADLINES AT

THE TOP OF THE HOUR.

LET'S CHECK WITH SCOTT

FLEISHMAN NOW TO SEE WHAT THE

WEEKEND TEAM IS WORKING ON.

GOOD MORNING, SCOTT.

>> GOOD MORNING, DARREN.

A VERMONT AUTHOR AND

ILLUSTRATOR WE FEATURED LAST

YEAR ON MADE IN VERMONT NEEDS

THE PUBLIC'S HELP IN BUYING

BACK THE RIGHTS TO HIS

CHILDREN'S BOOK.

WE WILL TELL YOU WHY.

PLUS, WE ALWAYS FEEL ABOUT

HELPING PEOPLE LESS FORTUNATE

AROUND THE HOLIDAY SEASON.

WONDERY WOMAN HAS BEEN --

WON DERRY WOMAN IS HELPING OUT

A FAMILY WITH ITS

BACK-TO-SCHOOL SHOPPING.

HER STORY COMING UP.

PLUS, TODAY SHOULD BE SHAPING

UP TO BE A GOOD ONE WEATHER

WISE, BUT THE HEAT AND

HUMIDITY AREN'T TOTALLY GONE.

DAVE WILL HAVE YOUR WORKWEEK

FORECAST AT 8:00 A.M.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COMING UP NEXT, VERMONTERS

SAVING MONEY ON THEIR ELECTRIC

BILLS.

WE'LL TELL YOU HOW.

>> Darren: FREE POWERWALL

BATTERIES TO 100 VERMONTERS.

GREEN MOUNTAIN ANNOUNCED A

$50,000 GRANT WILL PAY FOR

CUTTING-EDGE TECHNOLOGY AND

INSTALLATION IN THE HOMES OF

SOME LOW-INCOME CUSTOMERS WHO

REALLY NEED IT, LIKE PEOPLE

WHO HAVE HEALTH OR MOBILITY

ISSUES.

AND TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT

PROGRAM, AND STORAGE SAVINGS,

I'M JOINED NOW MY GMP'S VICE

PRESIDENT AND CHIEF INVASION

OFFICER -- INNOVATION OFFICER,

JOSH CASTONGUAY.

GOOD MORNING TO YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING.

>> TELL US HOW THIS PROGRAM

WILL WORK.

>> SURE.

SO THIS BUILDS ON OUR EXISTING

POWER WALL PROGRAM WE WILL

TALK ABOUT.

BUT BASICALLY IF A QUALIFYING

CUSTOMER, SOMEBODY THAT'S ON

WHAT WE CALL AN ENERGY

ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, LOWER

INCOME CUSTOMER, AND SOME KIND

OF HEALTH OR MOBILITY NEED

WILL QUALIFY FOR A FREE

POWERWALL AND INSTALLATION,

AND EVERYTHING INCLUDED TO GET

BACKUP POWER IN THE EVENT OF

AN OUTAGE AT THEIR HOME.

>> Darren: SO I THINK A LOT OF

FOLKS ARE PROBABLY WONDERING

HOW DO THESE POWERWALL

BATTERIES WORK.

>> SURE.

SO THINK OF THE BATTERY AS, I

MEAN, LITERALLY A BATTERY FOR

YOUR HOME.

IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO A

GENERATOR THAT YOU WOULD

NORMALLY THINK ABOUT TO POWER

UP YOUR HOME DURING AN OUTAGE.

IT IS LITERALLY A BATTERY.

YOU CAN NOW, WITH THE

TECHNOLOGY TODAY, BACKUP YOUR

ENTIRE HOME BY JUST USING

BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.

DARE IN ADDITION TO THESE FREE

BATTERIES AT GMP IS LOOKING TO

HAND OUT HERE, HOW MANY OTHER

VERMONTERS CURRENTLY HAVE

THESE BATTERIES IN PLACE.

WHAT'S THE COST ALSO, AND I

GUESS ANOTHER BIG QUESTION

HERE IS, HOW MUCH ARE FOLKS

SAVING BY HAVING THEM.

>> YEAH.

GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE CURRENT PROGRAM THAT WE

HAVE IS ABOUT, I THINK WE ARE

UP ABOUT ABOUT 700 CUSTOMERS

IN GMP'S TERRITORY IN VERMONT

THAT INSTALLED THESE SYSTEMS,

AND WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO DOING

2,000 SYSTEMS OVERALL.

THE COST TO THE CUSTOMER, THEY

HAVE A CHOICE, EITHER $15 A

MONTH OR $1500 ONE-TIME UP

FRONT, FOR THE ORIGINAL

EMPLOYEE GRAM.

AS WE MENTIONED -- PROGRAM.

THE NEW PROGRAM IS FREE TO THE

CUSTOMER.

AND SO THE CUSTOMERS SIGN UP

AND PARTICIPATE, BATTERY

SYSTEM GETS INSTALLED AND

IMMEDIATELY THEY START USING

IT.

WE ARE THEN ABLE TO USE THE

BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM TO

LOWER COSTS FOR ALL OF OUR

CUSTOMERS.

>> Darren: THIS IS AN

IMPORTANT THING.

WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING THAT

THERE HAVE BEEN HEAT WAVES,

IT'S BEEN A REALLY HOT SUMMER

HERE.

AND YOU GUYS JUST GOT SOME NEW

NUMBERS IN SHOWING JUST HOW

MUCH VERMONTERS REALLY SAVED

BY HAVING THESE STORAGE UNITS

IN PLACE.

WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT

THAT?

>> YEAH.

SO WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AS

YOU SAID, IT'S BEEN A VERY HOT

AND RATHER HUMID SUMMER, WHICH

TENDS TO DRIVE ENERGY PEAKS.

WE JUST ACTUALLY HIT A NEW NEW

ENGLAND ALL-TIME PEAK THIS

YEAR, JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO,

AND DURING THAT TIME WE WERE

USING THESE BATTERIES TO

BASICALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF

ENERGY THE SYSTEM HAD TO

PROVIDE.

THAT ALONE IN THAT SINGLE HOUR

SAVED OUR CUSTOMERS IN EXCESS

OF THREE QUARTERS AFTER

MILLION DOLLARS, IN THAT

SINGLE HOUR.

>> Darren: THIS IS NOT JUST

FOR CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE THESE

POWERWALLS, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH.

SO THE BEAUTY OF THIS PROGRAM

IS CUSTOMER WITH THE POWERWALL

GETS THE BACKUP AND ENERGY

THAT PROVIDES FOR REALLY

LOW-PRICE SYSTEM, AND IN TURN,

BY SHARING ACCESS WITH THAT

BATTERY, WE CAN SAVE ALL OF

OUR CUSTOMERS A GOOD DEAL OF

MONEY.

>> Darren: THE LEASING

PROGRAM, 15 BUCKS A MONTH, IS

THERE ANY KIND OF LONG-TERM

COMMITMENT THAT FOLKS SHOULD

KNOW ABOUT IF THEY DO GET INTO

THIS?

>> SURE.

YEAH, IT IS A TEN-YEAR

PROGRAM.

SO $15 A MONTH FOR TEN YEARS,

AND AGAIN, THE BATTERY, THAT

INCLUDES THE BATTERY AND THE

INSTALLATION, EVERYTHING, AND

IT'S GUARANTEED FOR THAT TIME,

IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN,

IT'S FULLY COVERED, REPLACED

OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN

THERE.

>> Darren: WHAT OTHER WAYS

WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOLKS TRY

TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THEIR

ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND

THEREFORE REDUCE THEIR BILL?

>> SURE.

SO THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE

ARE LOOKING AT IS SORT OF LIKE

WHOLE HOME ENERGY, AND SOME OF

THE GREAT WAYS TO DO THAT

TODAY ARE REDUCING HOW MUCH

FOSSIL FUEL, IN A HOME WHERE

YOU BURN OIL FOR HEATING, NEW

ALTERNATIVES LIKE AIR SOURCE

HEAT PUMPS, MORE EFFICIENT

WAYS TO HEAT YOUR HOME, AS

WELL AS COOL IT, AGAIN, IN THE

SUMMERTIME, WITH A SUMMER LIKE

THIS.

SO THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE

ENERGY FOOTPRINT OF YOUR HOME,

AND WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, HOW

TO TRANSITION OFF FOGS I WILL

FUEL IS A GOOD WAY -- FOSSIL

FUEL IS A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT.

>> GETTING BACK TO THE TESLA

BATTERIES, HOW DID THIS COME

ABOUT?

YOU KNOW, VERMONT IS A SMALL

STATE.

WHAT WAS THE CONNECTION, AND

WHY DID TESLA WANT TO PARTNER

WITH YOU FOLKS?

>> GOOD QUESTION.

SO WE CONNECTED WITH TESLA,

ACTUALLY IT WAS SOMEONE FROM

VERMONT WHO WENT TO WORK THERE

THAT WE KNEW.

WE STARTED TALKING.

IS THIS NOW MAYBE FOUR, FIVE

YEARS AGO, THEY STARTED

THINKING ABOUT HAVING A HOME

BATTERY PROGRAM.

WE CONNECTED AT THE RIGHT

TIME, TOLD THEM, HEY, WE ARE

VERY INTERESTED, WHEN YOU

START TO ROLL SOMETHING OUT TO

PARTNER WITH YOU AND OFFER IT

DIRECTLY TO CUSTOMERS IN AN

INNOVATIVE WAY.

AND THEY STAYED CONNECTED WITH

US THROUGH THAT.

SO WHEN THE FIRST ONE WAS

ANNOUNCED, WE WERE RIGHT THERE

WITH THEM TO OFFER THIS, YOU

KNOW, THE FIRST ENERGY COMPANY

IN THE U.S. TO PARTNER UP WITH

CUSTOMERS AND TESLA AND OFFER

THIS SOLUTION.

KIN KIN SO $15 TO LEASE --

DARE $1500 TO BUY IT.

WHAT WOULD IT COST IF YOU WENT

THROUGH TESLA?

>> PROBLGLY TO GET -- PROBABLY

TO GET A BATTERY INSTALLED IN

YOUR HOME, PROBABLY IN THE 8

TO 9,000 RANGE, TYPICALLY.

>> SO OTHER ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS

HERE IN VERMONT MAY BE

WONDERING, AND THAT'S REALTY

POINT THE ONLY WAY.

ANY IDEA IF OTHER UTILITIES

ARE LOOKING AT THIS TECHNOLOGY

AS WELL?

>> I BELIEVE NOW MORE AND MORE

ARE STARTING TO OPEN UP TO

THIS AS AN OPTION.

NOW, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO TRY

TO LEAD THE WAY, YOU KNOW, ON

BEEP HALF OF VERMONTERS IN

WAYS TO SAVE THEM MONEY --

BEHALF OF VERMONTERS.

THIS SUMMER ESPECIALLY HAS

PROVEN THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS.

IT HAS BENEFITED CUSTOMERS

DURING OUTAGES, BUT HAS ALSO

BENEFITED CUSTOMERS BY SAVING

THEM MONEY.

IT WORKS, AND I THINK OTHERS

ARE STARTING TO FOLLOW SUIT.

>> JOSH CASTONGUAY, THANK YOU

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