YCQM Sept. 2, 2018

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>> Darren: GOOD MORNING, I'M
DARREN PERRON.
RIGHT NOW ON YOU CAN QUOTE ME,
STORAGE SAVINGS.
BATTERIES, SAVING POWER
CUSTOMERS CASH.
PLUS, HOW SOME VERMONTERS CAN
GET POWERWALL BATTERIES FREE.
PLUS, DAMNING ALLEGATIONS OF
ABUSE AT AN OLD ORPHANAGE RUN
BY THE A CATHOLIC CHURCH IN
BURLINGTON.
THAT'S WHERE WE BEGIN THIS
MORNING.
AFTER A FOUR-YEAR PROBE BY
BUZZFEED, CHANNEL 3 NEWS GOT
THE FIRST INTERVIEW WITH THE
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER WHO
PORED OVER DOCUMENTS AND VIDEO
AND SHARED THAT INFORMATION
WITH WCAX.
CHANNEL 3 NEWS TOLD YOU ABOUT
THE CLAIMS BY FORMER ORPHANS
WHEN THEY FIRST SURFACED IN
THE 1990S.
NOW NEW INFORMATION ABOUT
THOSE ALLEGATIONS THAT INCLUDE
TORTURE, SEX ABUSE, AND
POSSIBLY EVEN MURDER.
>> IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, NEVER
LET IT HAPPEN TO CHILDREN
AGAIN.
>> SALLY DESCRIBED THE HORRORS
SHE ENDURED AS A CHILD AT ST.
JOSEPH'S ORPHANAGE IN
BURLINGTON.
DAILY BEATINGS, SEXUAL ABUSE,
LOCKED IN A SMALL CONTAINER IN
THE ATTIC.
ALLEGATIONS SHE MADE UNDER
OATH DURING THE 1990S.
>> THEY USED TO MAKE ALL THE
OTHER KIDS LAUGH AT ME AND
TELL THEM WHAT A BAD GIRL I
WAS.
>> NOW THOSE TAPED TESTIMONIES
FROM DALE AND OTHER ALLEGED
VICTIMS HAVE COME TO LIGHT,
AFTER AN EXTENSIVE
INVESTIGATION BY CHRISTINE
KENNEALLY FOR BUZZFEED.
>> THERE WAS THIS INCREDIBLE
DATABASE ALMOST ABOUT THE
HISTORY AT ST. JOSEPH THAT'S
THAT HAD OTHERWISE BEEN
HIDDEN.
>> Darren: IN THE 90s, CHANNEL
3 NEWS REPORTED ON THE ABUSE
ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE
SISTERS WHO RAN THE BURLINGTON
ORPHANAGE, UNTIL ITS CLOSURE
IN THE '70S.
IN THIS NEW REPORT ALLEGED
VICTIMS MAKE EVEN MORE
SINISTER CLAIMS.
THAT SOME CHILDREN WERE
MURDERED, BEATEN TO DEATH,
SHOVED OUT OF WINDOWS, AND
PUSHED OUT OF ROW BOATS.
>> ALL THE TIME I WAS THERE IT
HAPPENED, EVERY SUMMER.
>> I SAID DID HE BROWN?
>> WHO -- DROWN.
>> WHO TO?
>> TO THE NUN.
SHE SAID DON'T WORRY, HE'S
GONE HOME FOR GOOD.
>> HOW CREDIBLE ARE THESE
ALLEGATIONS, AND HOW DID YOU
SUBSTANTIATE THEIR STORIES?
>> ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE
THINGS ABOUT THESE STORIES IS
THAT BY THEM SELF THEY SEEM
OUTLANDISH OR FANTASTIC OR
IMPROBABLE.
ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW
VIOLENT THOSE PLACES WERE, HOW
ENDEMIC THE VIOLENCE WAS,
THESE STORIES ABOUT MURDER AND
DEATHS START TO MAKE A LOT
MORE SENSE.
THE STORIES MATCHED.
THEY WERE CONSISTENT.
THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME KIND
OF ABUSE.
THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME
WEAPONS OF ABUSE.
THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME
CLIMATE OF FEAR AND VIOLENCE
AND HUMILIATION.
>> Darren: SHE INTERVIEWED
ALLEGED VICTIMS AGAIN, FOUND
DEATH CERTIFICATES, EVEN
THOUGH THE ORPHANAGE DENIED
CHILDREN DIED THERE.
KENNEALLY TRIED TO TRACK DOWN
THE NUNS, BUT THAT WAS TOUGH,
BECAUSE MOST USE DIFFERENT
NAMES IN THE ORDER, AND MANY
WERE DEAD.
SHE FOUND ONE, SISTER
PRISCILL WHO ADMITTED NUNS
WERE GRANTED PERMISSION TO
BEAT CHILDREN AND THAT SHE
WITNESSED A GIRL FALL OUT OF
THE WINDOW, BUT DENIED PUSHING
HER AS AN ALLEGED VICTIM
CLAIMS.
>> AND SHE JUST WENT --
>> THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE
SETTLED SOME CASES IN THE 90s.
MANY WERE DISMISSED.
AND THERE WERE NO CRIMINAL
CHARGES.
THE CHURCH HAD TIME ON ITS
SIDE.
STATUTES OF LIMITATIONS RAN
OUT.
VICTIMS' MEMORIES, AND
CHRONOLOGY WERE CLOUDY.
SO LAWYERS CAST DOUBT ON THEIR
CREDIBILITY.
AND THE EVENTS HAPPENED SO
LONG IN THE PAST IT WAS
DIFFICULT TO VERIFY ANYTHING.
>> WE LIVE NOW IN A VERY
DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WHEN THE
LITIGATION OCCURRED.
IT WAS A WORLD WHERE ANY
CLAIMS AGAINST CLERGY WERE
OFTEN JUST SIMPLY NOT BELIEVED
AT ALL.
>> KENNEALLY SAID THE CHURCH'S
SUBSEQUENT SEX ABUSE SCANDAL
AND ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS
INTO PEDOPHILE PRIESTS CHANGED
EVERYTHING.
AND MAY NOW GIVE THESE ALLEGED
VICTIMS A VOICE, TOO.
>> THEY HAVE THE SAME STORY 20
YEARS LATER THAT THEY WERE
TELLING IN THE 1990S, THEY
DESERVE TO BE HEARD NOW, AND
THEY DESERVED TO BE HEARD IN A
WORLD WHERE THEY WILL BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY.
>> Darren: MY FULL INTERVIEW
WITH CHRISTINE KENNEALLY NEXT.
LEARN MORE ABOUT HER
INVESTIGATION.
PLUS, ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS SAVED
MONEY DURING THE RECENT HOT
WEATHER.
WE WILL TELL YOU HOW.
>> Darren: WHAT REALLY WENT ON
INSIDE AN ORPHANAGE IN
BURLINGTON FOR DECADES?
HERE NOW IS MY ENTIRE
INTERVIEW WITH INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTER CHRISTINE KENNEALLY.
CHRISTINE KENNEALLY, THANK YOU
SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
>> DARREN, THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR HAVING ME.
>> Darren: WHEN DID YOU START
WORKING ON THIS INVESTIGATION,
AND WHY?
>> I STARTED WORKING ON THE
STORY OF ST. JOSEPH'S IN
BURLINGTON, VERMONT ABOUT FOUR
YEARS AGO, AND I STARTED FROM
A LONG WAY AWAY.
I STARTED BECAUSE TEN YEARS
AGO I SPOKE TO SOME PEOPLE IN
AUSTRALIA WHO HAD GROWN UP IN
ORPHANAGES IN THAT COUNTRY I
HAD NO IDEA THAT PEOPLE WERE
STILL IN ORPHANAGES IN THE
20TH CENTURY, AND I HAD NO
IDEA WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WENT
ON IN THEM.
I STARTED FOLLOWING THAT
STORY, AND I STARTED FOLLOWING
IT AROUND THE WORLD.
AND I SPOKE TO PEOPLE WHO GREW
UP IN ORPHANAGES IN IRELAND
AND IN ENGLAND, AND IN OTHER
COUNTRIES AS WELL.
BUT THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY
THING FOR ME WAS THAT I
COULDN'T FIND PEOPLE IN
AMERICA WHO HAD GROWN UP IN
ORPHANAGES.
IT WAS THIS INVISIBLE HISTORY.
BUT THE MORE I WROTE, THE MORE
I FOUND, AND WHAT I FOUND WAS
THAT IN ST. JOSEPH'S ORPHANAGE
IN BURLINGTON, VERMONT, IN
FACT, AROUND 100 PEOPLE HAD
COME FORWARD IN THE 1990S TO
LITIGATE AND TO TELL STORIES
ABOUT TERRIBLE THINGS THAT HAD
HAPPENED TO THEM WHEN THEY
WERE GROWING UP IN THE 1930S,
IN THE 40s, 50s AND 60s, AND
THE 70S IN THAT ORPHANAGE.
>> Darren: NOW, AS YOU
MENTIONED, THESE ALLEGATIONS
REALLY SPAN THE GLOBE ABOUT
ABUSE IN ORPHANAGES.
WHY FOCUS SO MUCH OF YOUR
ATTENTION ON THE ORPHANAGE IN
BURLINGTON?
>> YES.
I FOCUSED ON ST. JOSEPH'S IF
BURLINGTON SPECIFICALLY
BECAUSE THERE WAS LITIGATION
IN THE 1990S, SO EVEN THOUGH
MANY OF THE STORIES TOLD BY
THE FORMER RESIDENTS OF ST.
JOSEPH'S ARE VERY ALIKE IN ALL
THEIR AWFULNESS, STORIES TOLD
BY RESIDENTS OF OTHER
ORPHANAGES, BECAUSE THESE
PEOPLE HAD COME FORWARD IN THE
1990, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MADE
THESE IN-DEPTH AND COMPLICATED
STATEMENTS UNDER OATH DURING
LITIGATION, I WAS ABLE TO USE
THOSE STATEMENTS TO ACTUALLY
PIECE TOGETHER THE LARGER
HISTORY OF ST. JOSEPH'S, AND,
AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE WAS
LITIGATION, THERE WERE
INTERVIEWS UNDER OATH WITH
NUNS AT THE TIME, AND WITH
PRIESTS AT THE TIME AS WELL.
SO THAT WAS THIS INCREDIBLE
DATABASE ALMOST ABOUT THE
HISTORY OF ST. JOSEPH'S THAT
HAD OTHERWISE REALLY BEEN
HIDDEN.
>> THESE ALLEGATIONS OBVIOUSLY
VERY SERIOUS, HEARTBREAKING,
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING TO READ,
FRANKLY, MAKES YOU SICK TO
YOUR STOMACH.
IN ADDITION TO THE HORRIFYING
ALLEGATIONS OF TORTURE, SEX
ABUSE, CONFINEMENT, GENITAL
MUTILATION, AND OTHER FORMS OF
ABUSE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE
FEATURED IN YOUR REPORT
INDICATE THE ABUSE EVEN LED TO
THE DEATH OF CHILDREN.
BASICALLY CHILDREN MURDERED BY
NUNS.
HOW CREDIBLE ARE THESE
ALLEGATIONS, AND HOW DID YOU
SUBSTANTIATE THEIR STORIES?
>> YEAH.
THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IN ADDITION TO THESE
STORIES ABOUT SEXUAL ABUSE AND
EMOTIONAL ABUSE AND PHYSICAL
ABUSE, INCLUDING TORTURE,
THERE ARE ALLEGATIONS OF DEATH
AND MURDER AT ST. JOSEPH'S AS
WELL.
THESE STORIES COME FROM
RESIDENTS WHO WERE THERE IN
THE 1940S AND IN THE 1950S,
AND ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE
THINGS ABOUT THESE STORIES IS
THAT BY THEM SELF THEY SEEM
OUTLANDISH OR FANTASTIC, OR
IMPROBABLE.
WHEN YOU DON'T ACTUALLY
UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED
BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS OF THE
ORPHANAGE.
ONCE YOU DO UNDERSTAND WHAT
HAPPENED INSIDE ORPHANAGES,
ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW
VIOLENT THOSE PLACES WERE, HOW
ENDEMIC THE VIOLENCE WAS, HOW
BRUTAL THEY WERE, THESE
STORIES ABOUT MURDER AND DEATH
START TO MAKE A LOT MORE
SENSE.
ITCH EXAMINED SOME OF THESE
STORIES IN GREAT DETAIL -- I
EXAMINED THEM AS FAR AS I
COULD.
THESE WERE CLAIMS THAT
ORIGINATED IN THE 1940S, AND
IN THE 1950S, BUT ONE OF THE
MAIN THINGS THAT I DID WAS TO
TEST THE RELIABILITY OF THE
WITNESSES.
SO THESE WITNESSES CAME
FORWARD, THEY MADE THESE
COMPLICATED STATEMENTS.
I TRACKED DONE EVERY STORY I
COULD, AND MY EXPERIENCE WAS
THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TRUTH
TELLERS.
AND WHERE IT WAS POSSIBLE I
FOUND THESE PEOPLE AGAIN.
THESE PEOPLE CAME FORWARD IN
THE 1990S, THEY TOLD THESE
STORIES.
I TRACKED THEM DOWN IN 2016,
IN 2017, I SPOKE TO THEM
AGAIN, AND THEY VALIDATED WHAT
THEY HAD SAID, THE STORIES
HELD UP.
THEY WERE CONSISTENT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK
ONE OF THE MOST INCREDIBLE
THINGS ABOUT ALL THE MATERIAL
FROM ST. JOSEPH'S IS THE
POWERFUL CORROBORATION ACROSS
ALL OF THE STORIES.
SO UP TO AND INCLUDING THOSE
STORIES OF DEATH I TESTED
THESE STORIES AGAINST EACH
OTHER.
SO PEOPLE CAME FORWARD IN THE
1990S WHO HADN'T SEEN EACH
OTHER FOR TEN OR 20 OR 30
YEARS.
THEY HADN'T SPOKEN TO EACH
OTHER, MANY OF THEM HADN'T
SPOKEN TO ANYONE ELSE WHO HAD
BEEN TO THE ORPHANAGE, BUT
THEIR STORIES MATCHED.
THEY WERE CONSISTENT.
THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME KIND
OF ABUSE.
THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME
WEAPONS OF ABUSE.
THEY DESCRIBED THE SAME
CLIMATE OF FEAR AND VIOLENCE
AND HUMILIATION.
SO THERE WAS INCREDIBLE
CORROBORATION THERE.
I WENT TO ST. JOSEPH'S, I
WALKED THROUGH ST. JOSEPH'S, I
WALKED THROUGH THE OLD
BUILDING, I TRACKED DOWN EVERY
DOCUMENT I COULD FIND.
I FOUND DEATH CERTIFICATES.
DURING THE LITIGATION, THE
REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CHURCH
DENIED WHEREVER THEY COULD ANY
KNOWLEDGE OF ANY DEATHS THAT
HAD OCCURRED AT ST. JOSEPH'S.
IN ACTUAL FACT, THERE ARE
DEATH CERTIFICATES FROM THE
50s, FROM THE 40s, CERTAINLY
FROM EARLIER, AS YOU WOULD
EXPECT, WHICH CONTRADICT THE
POSITION TAKEN BY THESE PEOPLE
AT THE TIME.
>> Darren: NOW, CORRECT ME IF
IWRONG, BUT WITHIN THE COURT
PROCEEDINGS THERE WERE SOME
INCONSISTENT RECOLLECTIONS BY
SOME OF THE ALLEGED VICTIMS,
LIKE THE TIMING OF WHEN THEY
REMEMBERED WHAT ALLEGEDLY
HAPPENED, RIGHT?
>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
THE MEMORY PROBLEM IS REALLY
INTERESTING ONE.
IT'S ONE THAT GOT A LOT OF
ATTENTION IN THE 1990S.
AND THERE ARE COMPLEXITIES TO
IT, AND IT BECAME A HUGE DEAL
IN THIS PROCESS OF COMBATIVE
LITIGATION.
BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT SO
COMPLICATED THAT WE SHOULD
FEEL LIKE IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE.
SO I THINK WHAT COMES OUT OF
THIS STORY IN PARTICULAR, AND
WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH THE
FORMER RESIDENTS OF ST.
JOSEPH'S IS THAT ALL KIND OF
MEMORIES, INCLUDING TRAUMATIC
MEMORY, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY
INCLUDES SOME KIND OF
INCONSISTENCY, SO I THINK ONE
OF THE EXPERTS DURING THE
ORPHANAGE LITIGATION SAID
SOMEONE HAD EVERY SINGLE
DETAIL OF A STORY PERFECTLY
RIGHT AND THEY DID EVERY
SINGLE TIME, THAT'S WHEN YOU
WOULD ACTUALLY WORRY.
TRAUMATIC MEMORY IN THAT
REGARD IS REALLY JUST LIKE
NORMAL MEMORY.
NO ONE IS 100% ACCURATE ALL
THE TIME.
IN ALL THE DETAILS THAT
MATTERED, THESE STORIES ARE
ACTUALLY INCREDIBLY VERY
STRONG, THOUGH.
AND ANY INCONSISTENCIES DON'T
IN ANY WAY SUGGEST OTHERWISE.
IT'S ALSO THE CASE THAT MEMORY
WORKS DIFFERENTLY FOR
DIFFERENT PEOPLE, AND THAT'S,
AGAIN, ALSO TRUE FOR TRAUMATIC
MEMORY.
SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE RESIDENTS
OF ST. JOSEPH'S IN BURLINGTON
NEVER FORGET WHAT HAPPENED TO
THEM IN ALL ITS TERRIBLE
DETAIL.
BUT MANY PEOPLE DON'T REMEMBER
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM OR THEY
CAN REMEMBER SMALL PIECES OVER
MANY YEARS.
LIKE SMALL PIECES OF A PUZZLE,
BUT IT IS NOT UNTIL MUCH LATER
IN LIFE THAT THEY ACTUALLY
SUDDENLY ARE ABLE TO PUT THAT
PUZZLE TOGETHER AND TO HAVE
ACCESS TO WHOLE MEMORY AND TO
EVEN MOST CRITICALLY, TO
UNDERSTAND HOW IT SHAPED THEIR
LIVES.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT
OF THE SCIENCE OF MEMORY, A
LOT OF THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION
WAS REALLY UNFAMILIAR IN THE
1990S, WE ARE ALL MUCH MORE
FAMILIAR NOW WITH THAT KIND
OF, I THINK, WHAT WE NOW SEE
IS THIS CLASSIC EXPERIENCE FOR
PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH
SOMETHING LIKE THIS OF BEING
TRIGGERED, YOU KNOW, OF
WALKING DOWN A STREET 30 YEARS
LATER, OF BUMPING INTO SOMEONE
40 YEARS LATER, OF SEEING
SOMETHING OR HEARING A STORY,
AND JUST HAVING A FLOOD OF
THESE TERRIBLE MEMORIES COME
FORWARD, AND THEN IN A SENSE
BEING FORCED TO DEAL WITH WHAT
HAPPENED TO THEM.
>> Darren: WERE YOU ABLE TO
TRACK DOWN SOME OF THESE NUNS,
AND, IF SO, WHAT DID THEY TELL
YOU?
>> IT WAS REALLY HARD TO TRACK
DOWN THE NUNS.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR
THAT IS JUST BECAUSE NUNS
OFTEN, ESPECIALLY AT THIS
TIME, USED A DIFFERENT NAME.
IT WAS REALLY HARD TO WORK OUT
HOW TO GET HOLD OF THEM.
I MADE A REQUEST OF THE ORDER
MANY TIMES TO SPEAK TO
INDIVIDUAL NUNS.
THEY DID NOT RESPOND TO THAT,
OR THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T
AVAILABLE.
I FOUND ONE WOMAN WHO HAD BEEN
A NUN AT ST. JOSEPH'S
ORPHANAGE IN THE 1950S.
SHE LEFT HER ORDER, BUT SHE IS
STILL VERY MUCH A DEVOTED
CATHOLIC, AND SHE TOOK A GREAT
DEAL OF PLEASURE AND PRIDE IN
HER WORK AS A NUN AND HER TIME
IN THAT COMMUNITY AND SHE WAS
A REALLY INTERESTING PERSON.
THERE WERE ACCUSATIONS THAT
SHE HAD PUSHED A GIRL OUT A
WINDOW, OR ATTEMPTED TO PSH A
GIRL OUT A -- PUSH A GIRL OUT
THE WINDOW IN THE 1950S, TWO
EYE-WITNESS ACCOUNTS.
I ASKED HER ABOUT THIS.
AND SHE ACTUALLY SAID, YES,
THAT WAS ME.
SHE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT SHE WAS
THERE WHEN THAT INCIDENT
OCCURRED.
THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE MOMENT
IN MY REPORTING BECAUSE
EVERYTHING THE DEFENSE HAD
SAID, EVERYTHING I HAD READ
THAT THE DEFENSE HAD SAID
AFTER THAT POINT -- UP TO THAT
POINT CAST DOUBT ON THE
VERACITY OF ALL THESE STORIES,
SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE IT HADN'T
ACTUALLY HAPPENED AT ALL, THAT
IT WAS SOME KIND OF BLOWN UP
FIGUREMENT OF IMAGINATION --
FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION, A
MISREMEMBERING OF CHILDHOOD.
THIS WOMAN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT.
SHE SAID SHE WAS THERE.
SHE DID NOT PUSH THE GIRL OUT
THE WINDOW, ACCORDING TO HER.
SHE SAID THE GIRL FELL.
THE GIRL WAS LARGE AND CLUMSY,
ACCORDING TO THIS NUN.
SO I DID NOT EXPECT TO -- I
WASN'T SURPRISED THAT THERE
WERE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE
SAME STORY, BUT WHAT DID NOT
REALLY OCCUR DURING THE
LITIGATION IN 1990S WAS JUST
THAT KIND OF BASIC
VERIFICATION THAT THERE WERE
THE SAME STORY.
THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> Darren: YOU REACHED OUT TO
THE BURLINGTON DIOCESE FOR
COMMENT.
WHAT DID THE CHURCH SAY ABOUT
THESE ALLEGATIONS, WHAT DID
YOU HEAR FROM OFFICIALS THERE?
>> THE CHURCH MADE A BRIEF
STATEMENT TO THE EFFECT THAT
THEY CAN'T CHANGE WHAT
HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT THAT
THEY TAKE ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE
VERY SERIOUSLY.
>> Darren: THEY DIDN'T DENY
THIS HAPPENED.
>> A THEY DID NOT DENY THAT IT
HAPPENED.
>> Darren: HAVE THESE
ALLEGATIONS RESULTED IN
CHARGES, SETTLEMENTS, OR EVEN
ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY
HAPPENED BY THE CHURCH, BY THE
GOVERNMENT?
>> YEAH.
THAT'S SUCH A CRITICAL
QUESTION.
THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.
IN THE 1990S THERE WAS VERY
SMALL SETTLEMENTS MADE UPON
THESE PEOPLE, AND PRIMARILY
THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CLAIMS
WERE DISMISSED BY A JUDGE
BECAUSE OF THE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS.
THE IDEA BEING EFFECTIVELY NOT
THAT THEY'D NECESSARILY DIDN'T
HAPPEN AT ALL, BUT THAT THEY
HADN'T REPORTED IT SOON
ENOUGH.
SO I THINK THERE ARE REALLY
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THERE
ABOUT THE STATUTE OF
LIMITATIONS, AND HOW OFTEN THE
CITIZENS IT PROTECTS ARE IN
FACT PERPETRATORS AND NOT
VICTIMS.
BUT WE DO NEED TO EXAMINE
THESE STORIES AGAIN NOW, AND
WE NEED TO EXAMINE THEM VERY
SERIOUSLY AND TO ASK THOSE
QUESTIONS ABOUT JUSTICE AND
ABOUT CONSEQUENCES, BECAUSE WE
ARE ACTUALLY, WE LIVE NOW IN A
VERY DIFFERENT WORLD THAN WHEN
THE LITIGATION OCCURRED.
THESE CLAIMS WERE FIRST MADE
IN THE 1990S, AND THIS WAS
BEFORE THE BOSTON GLOBE'S VERY
FAMOUS SPOTLIGHT
INVESTIGATION, BEFORE THERE
WERE ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL CASES
IN VERMONT IN THE EARLY 2000S
WHERE PLAINTIFFS FINALLY WON
DAMAGES IN PRIEST SEX ABUSE
CASES.
IT WAS A WORLD WHERE ANY
CLAIMS AGAINST CLERGY WERE
OFTEN JUST SIMPLY NOT BELIEVED
AT ALL.
NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE
EVIDENCE THAT WAS GATHERED
THEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TALK TO
PEOPLE WHO SPENT TIME THERE,
YOU CAN SEE THE WAYS IN WHICH
THESE CLAIMS CAME OUT OF A
WORLD OF, SORT OF THIS
VIOLENCE AND BRUTALITY, AND IN
A WAY NOW IT'S BELIEVABLE, WE
CAN SEE THAT WE NEED TO
CONSIDER IT.
THE WORLD IS SO DIFFERENT NOW.
WE KNOW THAT WITH THESE
STORIES ALL OVER THE UNITED
STATES IT'S OFTEN BEING NOT
JUST PERPETRATION OF THIS KIND
OF ABUSE, BUT AN ORGANIZED AND
SOPHISTICATED MECHANISM OF
COVERUP WHEN IT COMES TO
CLERGY ABUSE OF ALL KINDS.
PEOPLE NO LONGER DOUBT THAT
THAT IS POSSIBLE.
AND SPECIFICALLY WITH ST.
JOSEPH'S, WHEN YOU SIFT
THROUGH ALL THE MATERIAL, WHEN
YOU ACTUALLY SEEK THESE
PEOPLE, YOU FIND THESE
INCREDIBLE PATENTS AND THIS
INCREDIBLE CORPORATION, AND
ALSO OVERWHELMINGLY, THE FACT
THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE TRUTH
TELLERS, THAT STORIES MAKE
SENSE, AND THAT THEY HAVE THE
SAME STORY 20 YEARS LATER,
THAT THEY WERE TELLING IN THE
1990S.
THEY DESERVE TO BE HEARD NOW,
AND THEY DESERVE TO BE HEARD
IN A WORLD WHERE THEY WILL BE
TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
>> Darren: CHRISTINE
KENNEALLY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, DARREN.
THANK YOU.
>> Darren: I SPOKE WITH
BURLINGTON'S BISHOP,
CHRISTOPHER COYNE, ABOUT THE
STORY.
HE ADMITS SCANDALOUS ABUSES
TOOK PLACE AT THE ORPHANAGE,
AND AUTHORED AN APOLOGY ON
BEHALF OF THE CHURCH.
HOWEVER, HE DESCRIBED THE
BUZZFEED REPORT AS
SENSATIONAL, AND THE
ACCUSATIONS OF MURDER AS URBAN
MYTH.
ADDING IF ANY OF THIS
OCCURRED, WHY DID NO ONE COME
FORWARD, AND WHY WAS NOTHING
DONE ABOUT IT.
YOUR LATEST NEWS HEADLINES AT
THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
LET'S CHECK WITH SCOTT
FLEISHMAN NOW TO SEE WHAT THE
WEEKEND TEAM IS WORKING ON.
GOOD MORNING, SCOTT.
>> GOOD MORNING, DARREN.
A VERMONT AUTHOR AND
ILLUSTRATOR WE FEATURED LAST
YEAR ON MADE IN VERMONT NEEDS
THE PUBLIC'S HELP IN BUYING
BACK THE RIGHTS TO HIS
CHILDREN'S BOOK.
WE WILL TELL YOU WHY.
PLUS, WE ALWAYS FEEL ABOUT
HELPING PEOPLE LESS FORTUNATE
AROUND THE HOLIDAY SEASON.
WONDERY WOMAN HAS BEEN --
WON DERRY WOMAN IS HELPING OUT
A FAMILY WITH ITS
BACK-TO-SCHOOL SHOPPING.
HER STORY COMING UP.
PLUS, TODAY SHOULD BE SHAPING
UP TO BE A GOOD ONE WEATHER
WISE, BUT THE HEAT AND
HUMIDITY AREN'T TOTALLY GONE.
DAVE WILL HAVE YOUR WORKWEEK
FORECAST AT 8:00 A.M.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COMING UP NEXT, VERMONTERS
SAVING MONEY ON THEIR ELECTRIC
BILLS.
WE'LL TELL YOU HOW.
>> Darren: FREE POWERWALL
BATTERIES TO 100 VERMONTERS.
GREEN MOUNTAIN ANNOUNCED A
$50,000 GRANT WILL PAY FOR
CUTTING-EDGE TECHNOLOGY AND
INSTALLATION IN THE HOMES OF
SOME LOW-INCOME CUSTOMERS WHO
REALLY NEED IT, LIKE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE HEALTH OR MOBILITY
ISSUES.
AND TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT
PROGRAM, AND STORAGE SAVINGS,
I'M JOINED NOW MY GMP'S VICE
PRESIDENT AND CHIEF INVASION
OFFICER -- INNOVATION OFFICER,
JOSH CASTONGUAY.
GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
>> GOOD MORNING.
>> TELL US HOW THIS PROGRAM
WILL WORK.
>> SURE.
SO THIS BUILDS ON OUR EXISTING
POWER WALL PROGRAM WE WILL
TALK ABOUT.
BUT BASICALLY IF A QUALIFYING
CUSTOMER, SOMEBODY THAT'S ON
WHAT WE CALL AN ENERGY
ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, LOWER
INCOME CUSTOMER, AND SOME KIND
OF HEALTH OR MOBILITY NEED
WILL QUALIFY FOR A FREE
POWERWALL AND INSTALLATION,
AND EVERYTHING INCLUDED TO GET
BACKUP POWER IN THE EVENT OF
AN OUTAGE AT THEIR HOME.
>> Darren: SO I THINK A LOT OF
FOLKS ARE PROBABLY WONDERING
HOW DO THESE POWERWALL
BATTERIES WORK.
>> SURE.
SO THINK OF THE BATTERY AS, I
MEAN, LITERALLY A BATTERY FOR
YOUR HOME.
IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO A
GENERATOR THAT YOU WOULD
NORMALLY THINK ABOUT TO POWER
UP YOUR HOME DURING AN OUTAGE.
IT IS LITERALLY A BATTERY.
YOU CAN NOW, WITH THE
TECHNOLOGY TODAY, BACKUP YOUR
ENTIRE HOME BY JUST USING
BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.
DARE IN ADDITION TO THESE FREE
BATTERIES AT GMP IS LOOKING TO
HAND OUT HERE, HOW MANY OTHER
VERMONTERS CURRENTLY HAVE
THESE BATTERIES IN PLACE.
WHAT'S THE COST ALSO, AND I
GUESS ANOTHER BIG QUESTION
HERE IS, HOW MUCH ARE FOLKS
SAVING BY HAVING THEM.
>> YEAH.
GREAT QUESTION.
SO THE CURRENT PROGRAM THAT WE
HAVE IS ABOUT, I THINK WE ARE
UP ABOUT ABOUT 700 CUSTOMERS
IN GMP'S TERRITORY IN VERMONT
THAT INSTALLED THESE SYSTEMS,
AND WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO DOING
2,000 SYSTEMS OVERALL.
THE COST TO THE CUSTOMER, THEY
HAVE A CHOICE, EITHER $15 A
MONTH OR $1500 ONE-TIME UP
FRONT, FOR THE ORIGINAL
EMPLOYEE GRAM.
AS WE MENTIONED -- PROGRAM.
THE NEW PROGRAM IS FREE TO THE
CUSTOMER.
AND SO THE CUSTOMERS SIGN UP
AND PARTICIPATE, BATTERY
SYSTEM GETS INSTALLED AND
IMMEDIATELY THEY START USING
IT.
WE ARE THEN ABLE TO USE THE
BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM TO
LOWER COSTS FOR ALL OF OUR
CUSTOMERS.
>> Darren: THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT THING.
WE HAVE BEEN REPORTING THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN HEAT WAVES,
IT'S BEEN A REALLY HOT SUMMER
HERE.
AND YOU GUYS JUST GOT SOME NEW
NUMBERS IN SHOWING JUST HOW
MUCH VERMONTERS REALLY SAVED
BY HAVING THESE STORAGE UNITS
IN PLACE.
WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT
THAT?
>> YEAH.
SO WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, AS
YOU SAID, IT'S BEEN A VERY HOT
AND RATHER HUMID SUMMER, WHICH
TENDS TO DRIVE ENERGY PEAKS.
WE JUST ACTUALLY HIT A NEW NEW
ENGLAND ALL-TIME PEAK THIS
YEAR, JUST A COUPLE DAYS AGO,
AND DURING THAT TIME WE WERE
USING THESE BATTERIES TO
BASICALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF
ENERGY THE SYSTEM HAD TO
PROVIDE.
THAT ALONE IN THAT SINGLE HOUR
SAVED OUR CUSTOMERS IN EXCESS
OF THREE QUARTERS AFTER
MILLION DOLLARS, IN THAT
SINGLE HOUR.
>> Darren: THIS IS NOT JUST
FOR CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE THESE
POWERWALLS, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
YEAH.
SO THE BEAUTY OF THIS PROGRAM
IS CUSTOMER WITH THE POWERWALL
GETS THE BACKUP AND ENERGY
THAT PROVIDES FOR REALLY
LOW-PRICE SYSTEM, AND IN TURN,
BY SHARING ACCESS WITH THAT
BATTERY, WE CAN SAVE ALL OF
OUR CUSTOMERS A GOOD DEAL OF
MONEY.
>> Darren: THE LEASING
PROGRAM, 15 BUCKS A MONTH, IS
THERE ANY KIND OF LONG-TERM
COMMITMENT THAT FOLKS SHOULD
KNOW ABOUT IF THEY DO GET INTO
THIS?
>> SURE.
YEAH, IT IS A TEN-YEAR
PROGRAM.
SO $15 A MONTH FOR TEN YEARS,
AND AGAIN, THE BATTERY, THAT
INCLUDES THE BATTERY AND THE
INSTALLATION, EVERYTHING, AND
IT'S GUARANTEED FOR THAT TIME,
IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN,
IT'S FULLY COVERED, REPLACED
OR WHATEVER NEEDS TO HAPPEN
THERE.
>> Darren: WHAT OTHER WAYS
WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOLKS TRY
TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THEIR
ENERGY CONSUMPTION AND
THEREFORE REDUCE THEIR BILL?
>> SURE.
SO THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE
ARE LOOKING AT IS SORT OF LIKE
WHOLE HOME ENERGY, AND SOME OF
THE GREAT WAYS TO DO THAT
TODAY ARE REDUCING HOW MUCH
FOSSIL FUEL, IN A HOME WHERE
YOU BURN OIL FOR HEATING, NEW
ALTERNATIVES LIKE AIR SOURCE
HEAT PUMPS, MORE EFFICIENT
WAYS TO HEAT YOUR HOME, AS
WELL AS COOL IT, AGAIN, IN THE
SUMMERTIME, WITH A SUMMER LIKE
THIS.
SO THINKING ABOUT THE WHOLE
ENERGY FOOTPRINT OF YOUR HOME,
AND WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, HOW
TO TRANSITION OFF FOGS I WILL
FUEL IS A GOOD WAY -- FOSSIL
FUEL IS A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT.
>> GETTING BACK TO THE TESLA
BATTERIES, HOW DID THIS COME
ABOUT?
YOU KNOW, VERMONT IS A SMALL
STATE.
WHAT WAS THE CONNECTION, AND
WHY DID TESLA WANT TO PARTNER
WITH YOU FOLKS?
>> GOOD QUESTION.
SO WE CONNECTED WITH TESLA,
ACTUALLY IT WAS SOMEONE FROM
VERMONT WHO WENT TO WORK THERE
THAT WE KNEW.
WE STARTED TALKING.
IS THIS NOW MAYBE FOUR, FIVE
YEARS AGO, THEY STARTED
THINKING ABOUT HAVING A HOME
BATTERY PROGRAM.
WE CONNECTED AT THE RIGHT
TIME, TOLD THEM, HEY, WE ARE
VERY INTERESTED, WHEN YOU
START TO ROLL SOMETHING OUT TO
PARTNER WITH YOU AND OFFER IT
DIRECTLY TO CUSTOMERS IN AN
INNOVATIVE WAY.
AND THEY STAYED CONNECTED WITH
US THROUGH THAT.
SO WHEN THE FIRST ONE WAS
ANNOUNCED, WE WERE RIGHT THERE
WITH THEM TO OFFER THIS, YOU
KNOW, THE FIRST ENERGY COMPANY
IN THE U.S. TO PARTNER UP WITH
CUSTOMERS AND TESLA AND OFFER
THIS SOLUTION.
KIN KIN SO $15 TO LEASE --
DARE $1500 TO BUY IT.
WHAT WOULD IT COST IF YOU WENT
THROUGH TESLA?
>> PROBLGLY TO GET -- PROBABLY
TO GET A BATTERY INSTALLED IN
YOUR HOME, PROBABLY IN THE 8
TO 9,000 RANGE, TYPICALLY.
>> SO OTHER ELECTRIC CUSTOMERS
HERE IN VERMONT MAY BE
WONDERING, AND THAT'S REALTY
POINT THE ONLY WAY.
ANY IDEA IF OTHER UTILITIES
ARE LOOKING AT THIS TECHNOLOGY
AS WELL?
>> I BELIEVE NOW MORE AND MORE
ARE STARTING TO OPEN UP TO
THIS AS AN OPTION.
NOW, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO TRY
TO LEAD THE WAY, YOU KNOW, ON
BEEP HALF OF VERMONTERS IN
WAYS TO SAVE THEM MONEY --
BEHALF OF VERMONTERS.
THIS SUMMER ESPECIALLY HAS
PROVEN THE TECHNOLOGY WORKS.
IT HAS BENEFITED CUSTOMERS
DURING OUTAGES, BUT HAS ALSO
BENEFITED CUSTOMERS BY SAVING
THEM MONEY.
IT WORKS, AND I THINK OTHERS
ARE STARTING TO FOLLOW SUIT.
>> JOSH CASTONGUAY, THANK YOU
SO MUCH.
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